That's not a problem, just a reason to buy some pedals. I honestly didn't think I'd use my pedals (got some Saitek pedals bundled in with a used Warthog off of a friend) because of the mouse control on my throttle. 30 minutes of practice and the mouse on my throttle got bound to something else, and I have no interest in using a stick with twist. It feels better to have my right hand doing less.
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That's not a problem, just a reason to buy some pedals. I honestly didn't think I'd use my pedals (got some Saitek pedals bundled in with a used Warthog off of a friend) because of the mouse control on my throttle. 30 minutes of practice and the mouse on my throttle got bound to something else, and I have no interest in using a stick with twist. It feels better to have my right hand doing less.
Same here!
The throttle unit and joystick unit can be very firmly attached to each other - comes with it's own Allen-key for the purpose (with it's own little receptacle to store it in) - I mention this because the box mine came in housed the two units separated (apart from the interconnecting cable obviously).
I should imagine the combined unit would be very easily used on one's lap.
Well, My X55 is on the fritz, The buttons on the actual throttle itself only work while the throttle is moving and even then they are working when I'm not pushing them! 
I tried different usb2 ports, usb3 ports and a powered hub and it's still buggered.
So, while I wait for Madcatz tech support to decide when/if they want to warranty it, I dug out my T16000 I had bought for ED but never used because I got pulled in by the flashy X55. I also came across an old Saitek Cyborg Evo I forgot I even had and decided to try the dual joystick thing.....
All I can say is if they decide to warranty it, that sucker is going up for sale, I'm having a blast with dual joysticks. Using the right one for flight controls, the left one for thrusters and the pedals to my racing wheel for throttle. Flying a spaceship has never felt so intuitive.
I tried different usb2 ports, usb3 ports and a powered hub and it's still buggered. So, while I wait for Madcatz tech support to decide when/if they want to warranty it, I dug out my T16000 I had bought for ED but never used because I got pulled in by the flashy X55. I also came across an old Saitek Cyborg Evo I forgot I even had and decided to try the dual joystick thing.....
All I can say is if they decide to warranty it, that sucker is going up for sale, I'm having a blast with dual joysticks. Using the right one for flight controls, the left one for thrusters and the pedals to my racing wheel for throttle. Flying a spaceship has never felt so intuitive.
I've got a Warthog for a month now ... I'd say the lack of Yaw on the stick is a false problem.
It help keeping the stick very solid, and for Yaw control, I've assigned it to the "Mouse button" on the throttle.
It works like a charm.
I had considered buying some rudder pedals, but it has gone on low-priority in my shopping list ^_^.
Nickola
PS : not regretting one minute the extra cost for this beast.
It help keeping the stick very solid, and for Yaw control, I've assigned it to the "Mouse button" on the throttle.
It works like a charm.
I had considered buying some rudder pedals, but it has gone on low-priority in my shopping list ^_^.
Nickola
PS : not regretting one minute the extra cost for this beast.
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The Logitech 3D Pro is what i use for this game. Disclaimer i have a Thrustmaster Warthog in the cupboard for games like DCS A10C.
The cheaper Logitech 3D Pro is excellent with its extra twist axis for yaw. I also use flight pedals for up, down, left and right thrust.
I notice that "Other" is currently the leading control method choice in the poll. Guess that includes the Logitech 3D Pro.
The Warthog lack of yaw is not a false problem, use the best tool for the job. It ain't the Warthog for this game.
The cheaper Logitech 3D Pro is excellent with its extra twist axis for yaw. I also use flight pedals for up, down, left and right thrust.
I notice that "Other" is currently the leading control method choice in the poll. Guess that includes the Logitech 3D Pro.
The Warthog lack of yaw is not a false problem, use the best tool for the job. It ain't the Warthog for this game.
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I bought an X52 Pro and have a love/hate relationship with it.
- On the one hand, I love it's ergonomics: the buttons are abundant and well placed, the hand sits compfortably on this support, the throttle caters my hand laying lightweighted on it.
I love this lever for the little finger, which allows me to exit any menu instantly and the two staged fire button.
- On the other hand, all the mourning about the poor built quality seems justified. After only a few month of playing, my throttle had a complete break down. Claiming my warranty was no problem, but my faith in the HOTAS was damaged severely. Will the new HOTAS last longer? Sending-in the equipment again and again will only be a limited solution, as the warranty lasts two years. What will happen when it expires?
- Another big downside of this HOTAS is the fact that throttle and joystick are directly wired. This means that, if one of both has issues in the future, it is not possible to replace only one item.
One reason why I've bought the X52 Pro was indeed its twist function. I was used to it due to my previous joystick (Saitek 'Evo') and didn't want to miss it.
However, playing ED intensely over the course of the month, I discovered quite a large downside of this feature (which is, at least in my imagination, the main reason why something like this is not used in real airplanes): On the long run, twisting the stick is very stressful for the wrist! This did indeed reach an extent that let me avoid this movement if not explicitely necessary.
This is the main reason why I ordered the 'MFG crosswind' padle quite a while ago and eagerly await its shipping soon(TM).
Additionally, if my X52 Pro will finally fail me again after the warranty expired, I will be able to switch to a CH setup smoothly.
- On the one hand, I love it's ergonomics: the buttons are abundant and well placed, the hand sits compfortably on this support, the throttle caters my hand laying lightweighted on it.
I love this lever for the little finger, which allows me to exit any menu instantly and the two staged fire button.
- On the other hand, all the mourning about the poor built quality seems justified. After only a few month of playing, my throttle had a complete break down. Claiming my warranty was no problem, but my faith in the HOTAS was damaged severely. Will the new HOTAS last longer? Sending-in the equipment again and again will only be a limited solution, as the warranty lasts two years. What will happen when it expires?
- Another big downside of this HOTAS is the fact that throttle and joystick are directly wired. This means that, if one of both has issues in the future, it is not possible to replace only one item.
One reason why I've bought the X52 Pro was indeed its twist function. I was used to it due to my previous joystick (Saitek 'Evo') and didn't want to miss it.
However, playing ED intensely over the course of the month, I discovered quite a large downside of this feature (which is, at least in my imagination, the main reason why something like this is not used in real airplanes): On the long run, twisting the stick is very stressful for the wrist! This did indeed reach an extent that let me avoid this movement if not explicitely necessary.
This is the main reason why I ordered the 'MFG crosswind' padle quite a while ago and eagerly await its shipping soon(TM).
Additionally, if my X52 Pro will finally fail me again after the warranty expired, I will be able to switch to a CH setup smoothly.
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If you have the money to buy a warthog, add some more cash and get the throttle and the pedals.
As i stated I have flight pedals and throttle with the Warthog. It might work for a Trader, but i prefer the Logitech 3D Pro for this game. I could imagine flying a Type 9 with the Warthog, I might plug it in just for that.
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I did think about that when I was researching it.
Thing is I'm not sure how much I use the twist - I'm not aware of it - so I figured I'd try roll in yaw or whatever it is - then try on a hat on the stick if needed and if all else fails get pedals.
Though I really don't want pedals unless they are really needed..
ETA - just tried it - was obviously using twist more than I thought - trying now with thumb button on the stick.
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Pedals are a great investment. All my thrusters in Elite are controlled by Pedals. Makes dogfighting / flying so much easier.
I have Saitek Combat Pedals, sure there is a monetary cost, but mine are still as good as the day I bought them 3 years ago. And i have used them thousands of times.
They are a great product for flight sims / games.
I have Saitek Combat Pedals, sure there is a monetary cost, but mine are still as good as the day I bought them 3 years ago. And i have used them thousands of times.
They are a great product for flight sims / games.
I just replaced my Logitech Wingman 3D Force Feedback (which was so old it makes grinding noises and drifts into rolls) with the Thrustmaster T16000 and got the throttle from CH. CH makes what amounts to the most solid products on the market and it has so many hats that I actually have a completely separate set of controls for landing and takeoff. The Thrustmaster T16000 has a very strong spring and is ultra-precise. Together, they cost about as much as the Saitek X-53 Pro, but with less of the falling apart that I've experienced with Saitek products over the years.
By the way, never go into a GameStop and say "I just got ED and am having problems with my joystick." It was a difficult thing to explain to mall security.
By the way, never go into a GameStop and say "I just got ED and am having problems with my joystick." It was a difficult thing to explain to mall security.
I just got the same stick and paired it with a CH throttle and I'm loving the results.
I recommend getting your power settings off the hat and onto something you can access with your left hand. This lets you bind targeting to the hat (left/right next/previous, up to target what is in front of you, down to cycle through subsystems). Alternatively, you can bind lateral and vertical movement to the hat, which should help with landings and evading fire.
Put the time-insensitive stuff like opening your cargo bay on the side of the stick which is hardest for you to reach. The stick is ambidextrous so that's the side furthest from you. Bind the closer buttons to functions you use in a pinch, like "friendship drive" and chaff. I personally use one of the stick buttons as a hold-down for disabling flight assist, but that's a preference thing.
I recommend getting your power settings off the hat and onto something you can access with your left hand. This lets you bind targeting to the hat (left/right next/previous, up to target what is in front of you, down to cycle through subsystems). Alternatively, you can bind lateral and vertical movement to the hat, which should help with landings and evading fire.
Put the time-insensitive stuff like opening your cargo bay on the side of the stick which is hardest for you to reach. The stick is ambidextrous so that's the side furthest from you. Bind the closer buttons to functions you use in a pinch, like "friendship drive" and chaff. I personally use one of the stick buttons as a hold-down for disabling flight assist, but that's a preference thing.
Same issue as mine, throttle failing 3 weeks from purchase.
RMA'd and literally got it back today. (or a new one it's sitting at home right now)
Wouldn't be surprised if it fails again, there's clearly some issue with reliability on these sticks.
Was happy to pay the expensive price for a well-made stick but failing in 3 weeks???
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Same issue as mine, throttle failing 3 weeks from purchase.
RMA'd and literally got it back today. (or a new one it's sitting at home right now)
Wouldn't be surprised if it fails again, there's clearly some issue with reliability on these sticks.
Was happy to pay the expensive price for a well-made stick but failing in 3 weeks???
That's what put me of the X55. Heard so many reports of issues - plus Saitek's drivers. Yet some people report a good experience.
My X52 served me well generally for over 2 years - though one of the hat switches didn't seem to operate very positively.
My theory is I got in kind of early before the big rush since between SC and ED sales seem to have gone through the roof - and maybe build quality went a bit sideways and it's luck of the draw if you get a decent one or not..
Again thanks for all the awnsers.
So in the end there doesnt really seem to be a good high quality stick with twist on the market
The Fly 5, 9, 3D Pro, Hotas X and the T16000M all seem a bit subpar to me (compared to high quality stuff like a Warthog)
Maybe i should use up the Fly 9 and get a Hotas X or T16000M afterwards as they seem to be the best solution atm allthough i wish there was something better.
1 last qeustion though..
Can you use the stick of a X52 or X55 on its own or do you need to use that other box that come's with it ?
And if you can use it on its own, is there something on the stick for throttle ?
So in the end there doesnt really seem to be a good high quality stick with twist on the market
The Fly 5, 9, 3D Pro, Hotas X and the T16000M all seem a bit subpar to me (compared to high quality stuff like a Warthog)
Maybe i should use up the Fly 9 and get a Hotas X or T16000M afterwards as they seem to be the best solution atm allthough i wish there was something better.
1 last qeustion though..
Can you use the stick of a X52 or X55 on its own or do you need to use that other box that come's with it ?
And if you can use it on its own, is there something on the stick for throttle ?
Any HOTAS with mounting screws like an X52 Pro will work for your needs.
- Buy a 45x20x2cm shelf (or just a bit of plank), drill 4mm holes in it using the mounting holes as a guide. Buy a longer shelf if you have to and use a jigsaw to cut it down.
- Buy 4 x 4x65mm bolts and wingnuts. A washer is a nice bonus. If you can't get 65mm bolts, wait until you have your stick attached to the board and use a bolt cutter to cut them down - you don't want the bolts digging into your legs.
- Glue a cushion to the plank in the middle. The cushion goes on your lap.
- Congratulations, you now have an X52 Pro mounted to a piece of wood on your lap.
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