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Has to be the Thrust master T1600M. Nothing comes close in the price range.
http://www.amazon.com/Hercules-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0
If I didn't already have my HOTAS and was in the market for a budget stick it would be this 100%
http://www.amazon.com/Hercules-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0
- Exclusive precision technology: H.E.A.R.T.¿ HALLEFFECT ACCURATE TECHNOLOGY!
- 3D (Hall Effect) magnetic sensors located on the stick produces precision levels 256 times greater than current systems
- 3 removable components allow the joystick to be perfectly tailored for left-handed or right-handed use
- Multidirectional hat (for panoramic view)
- Plug & Play device offering extremely simple and quick installation, with all features preconfigured
If I didn't already have my HOTAS and was in the market for a budget stick it would be this 100%
Viajero
Volunteer Moderator
I believe the Logitech Extreme 3d pro has a few more buttons in the stick no? I.e. does the Thrustmaster have a thumb secondary trigger (Logitech´s thumb secondary trigger is second to none, it s just so perfectly positioned for my hand size! 
)? I also see only 3 buttons on the top (in addition to the hat switch) of the TM whereas Logitech´s has 4 plus hat switch, correct?
)? I also see only 3 buttons on the top (in addition to the hat switch) of the TM whereas Logitech´s has 4 plus hat switch, correct?
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Thrustmaster T16000M 16 buttons
Viajero
Volunteer Moderator
Thrustmaster T16000M 16 buttons
I meant at the stick itself
Thrustmaster t hotas
Out of everything that's been offered already I have to say that none of them compare to this in terms of ergonomic comfort and response. Not to mention the price.
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Stick-Flight-PC/dp/B000U1OOH4
It's what I use. Plenty of buttons to use. I never take my hands off the stick by using the 2-button mapping ability in the game's control mapping. The precision is needle sharp. It 'feels' really expensive and smooth and has a good weight to it. There's also an adjustable 'stiffness' on the stick. I set mine to the loosest possible and it's so smooth to operate. The buttons are clacky and responsive and they're all placed intelligently to fall right under your fingers with the throttle sat on your left thumb. I couldn't recommend a better stick for the price.
Edit: For $99 you can get the thrustmaster Hotas though. If you've got $100, get that. Hands down.
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Stick-Flight-PC/dp/B000U1OOH4
It's what I use. Plenty of buttons to use. I never take my hands off the stick by using the 2-button mapping ability in the game's control mapping. The precision is needle sharp. It 'feels' really expensive and smooth and has a good weight to it. There's also an adjustable 'stiffness' on the stick. I set mine to the loosest possible and it's so smooth to operate. The buttons are clacky and responsive and they're all placed intelligently to fall right under your fingers with the throttle sat on your left thumb. I couldn't recommend a better stick for the price.
Edit: For $99 you can get the thrustmaster Hotas though. If you've got $100, get that. Hands down.
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The Thrustmaster T1600M has 4 buttons on the stick.
Don't forget the hatswitch can be used as an extra 4 buttons if you have head-tracking.
What you're mainly paying for with that stock is the precision and longevity of the sensors in the X / Y axis.
Don't forget the hatswitch can be used as an extra 4 buttons if you have head-tracking.
What you're mainly paying for with that stock is the precision and longevity of the sensors in the X / Y axis.
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The precision of the T.16000 is next to almost none. The hallmark sensors really does the trick.
Gilmour
Banned
Footprint, weight are a bit undersized for good stability IMO. Not bad otherwise.
One more vote for the Logitech Extreme Pro 3D. Awesome Joystick. Have mine for more than 5 years now. Has never let me down.
I thought about getting a HOTAS when I started playing ED, and I tested some of the Saitek products. But in the end i decided I prefer the feel and build quality of the Logitech stick. I added a CH Pro Throttle to get the HOTAS feeling, but Logitech + 1 hand on Keyboard also works very well.
Edit: I cant comment on the T.16000 though. It has a lot of good reviews, might also be a great choice.
I thought about getting a HOTAS when I started playing ED, and I tested some of the Saitek products. But in the end i decided I prefer the feel and build quality of the Logitech stick. I added a CH Pro Throttle to get the HOTAS feeling, but Logitech + 1 hand on Keyboard also works very well.
Edit: I cant comment on the T.16000 though. It has a lot of good reviews, might also be a great choice.
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Gilmour
Banned
It's ok if you don't mind losing the second thumb trigger for firing secondary weapons, I would miss that though.
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Be that as it may, that stick looks really awkward to use, the button placements look far from ideal and the whole thing looks really square and boxy and not enough tactile feedback on the buttons with them being unnecessarily flat. The stick might be unusually precise, but that is one of many considerations to take in to account.
I tried both the T.Flight and the T.16000 and ended up returning the T.Flight due to inacuracy. Fine tuning the aim around the center of the stick was hard and neigh impossible, resulting in "jerking" it from side to side. I missed the throttle though, but bought a CH PRO Throttle instead a bit later.
Also did a post on them here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42369&highlight=
Also did a post on them here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42369&highlight=
I just bought a Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 for playing Elite... could've gotten this t16000 thing for the same price. Wonder if I did a mistake...
...nah, just kidding. Bought the joystick for all my joystick needs, including most notably flight simulators which I've pretty much been unable to play due to lack of joystick for years now.
...nah, just kidding. Bought the joystick for all my joystick needs, including most notably flight simulators which I've pretty much been unable to play due to lack of joystick for years now.
I'm finding the budget Speedlink Black Widow perfectly fine for my first flight stick.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedlink-SL-6640-SBK-Black-Widow-Flightstick/dp/B0001ZN4WU
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Speedlink-SL-6640-SBK-Black-Widow-Flightstick/dp/B0001ZN4WU
I just bought a Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 for playing Elite... could've gotten this t16000 thing for the same price. Wonder if I did a mistake...
...nah, just kidding. Bought the joystick for all my joystick needs, including most notably flight simulators which I've pretty much been unable to play due to lack of joystick for years now.
I use a MS Sidewinder 2 (paired with a Saitex X45 throttle unit) and shelved a nearly new Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
By my reckoning the Logitech was clumsy and inaccurate and so if the OP was willing to look for a decent used MS Sidewinder 2 on eBay I'd highly recommend it.
