Seven movements, 6 statements (1 end location?), the number 7 mentioned regularly… mmm?
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Been thinking on the codex, what if the reference to Astrophel and Spiralling Stars was a reference to M. Brookes unpublished book. The reference to P Sidney being unintentional?
Over thinking it of course, but they state ‘he’ but don’t give a male name to the author - except the male prefix, which is a little sexist, but likely just irrelevant. The point is maybe it’s not a clue, simply a reference to our shenanigans or it’s retconning, stating all his references are mute?
Other ramblings…
Without divergence into other mythology history we are likely only having to look at one in this instance, that being Greek mythology, in particular that seems to be the precedent.
The mother of galaxies?
Within Greek mythology there is no true mother figure that literally gives birth to any galaxy or galaxies, the Greeks only knowing of one - ours, but they called it something else.
The elephant in the room is of course Cassiopea who is the mother of Andromeda. Andromeda being the name later given to one galaxy. Semantics.
Then we have…
Hera - The Greek name for the Milky way is derived from the word for milk (Gala); the myth linked to this refers to when Heracles was breastfed by Hera, who pushed the child away, the spilt / spurted milk creating the Milky Way.
Hera in game = yes
Gala in game = not in game
No attributed constellations (although she did make a few).
Coordinates: -36.8125 / 55.59375 / -17.96875
Brow Hera? Burning? Jewels?
Rhea (Ops or Opis) - is another iteration of this same myth, when Cronus asked Rhea to feed their son Jupiter before he was to eat him. Rhea swaddled the Omphalos stone and pretended to feed it, the milk that spurted forth became the Milky Way. A potential candidate given the ref to the Omphalos in the codex.
Rhea is also known as "cow-eyed" she could be loosely attributed to the Egyptian deity Hathor with her sun-disk head dress. A little far fetched for my liking and it’s crossing mythology.
Rhea in game = yes
Ops in game = not in game
Opis in game = not in game
Hathor in game = yes
No attributed constellations (except a South American one named after a native bird).
Rhea = Coordinates: 58.125 / 22.59375 / -28.59375.
Hathor = Coordinates: -50.0625 / -32.28125 / -30.9375
Brow of Rhea? Burning? Jewels?
Brow of Hathor? Burning? Jewels?
Been here before haven’t we…omphaloskepsis and rabbit holes.
Over thinking it of course, but they state ‘he’ but don’t give a male name to the author - except the male prefix, which is a little sexist, but likely just irrelevant. The point is maybe it’s not a clue, simply a reference to our shenanigans or it’s retconning, stating all his references are mute?
Other ramblings…
Without divergence into other mythology history we are likely only having to look at one in this instance, that being Greek mythology, in particular that seems to be the precedent.
The mother of galaxies?
Within Greek mythology there is no true mother figure that literally gives birth to any galaxy or galaxies, the Greeks only knowing of one - ours, but they called it something else.
The elephant in the room is of course Cassiopea who is the mother of Andromeda. Andromeda being the name later given to one galaxy. Semantics.
Then we have…
Hera - The Greek name for the Milky way is derived from the word for milk (Gala); the myth linked to this refers to when Heracles was breastfed by Hera, who pushed the child away, the spilt / spurted milk creating the Milky Way.
Hera in game = yes
Gala in game = not in game
No attributed constellations (although she did make a few).
Coordinates: -36.8125 / 55.59375 / -17.96875
Brow Hera? Burning? Jewels?
Rhea (Ops or Opis) - is another iteration of this same myth, when Cronus asked Rhea to feed their son Jupiter before he was to eat him. Rhea swaddled the Omphalos stone and pretended to feed it, the milk that spurted forth became the Milky Way. A potential candidate given the ref to the Omphalos in the codex.
Rhea is also known as "cow-eyed" she could be loosely attributed to the Egyptian deity Hathor with her sun-disk head dress. A little far fetched for my liking and it’s crossing mythology.
Rhea in game = yes
Ops in game = not in game
Opis in game = not in game
Hathor in game = yes
No attributed constellations (except a South American one named after a native bird).
Rhea = Coordinates: 58.125 / 22.59375 / -28.59375.
Hathor = Coordinates: -50.0625 / -32.28125 / -30.9375
Brow of Rhea? Burning? Jewels?
Brow of Hathor? Burning? Jewels?
Been here before haven’t we…omphaloskepsis and rabbit holes.
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Let me pose you a question, do you think that it is some special system that you are looking for? If so how would you even know you are in the right system, and by that im asking your thought process to:
You Fly to X system, arrive at the target star, scan everything in system... What would you do and why and on what basis?
Sound questioning but I wouldn’t be looking towards visiting anything, at least not yet, the aim is to first understand the question.
The end result can’t be understood until one identifies what the puzzle identifies; unless it identifies nothing.
If we can identify one element, then logically it’s source material is a seed to understanding a context which might be utilised to identify the other elements - if it’s an element at all.
That’s my primary concern with that particular puzzle, not flying somewhere., at least not right now.
We are after all taking it for granted it’s ‘still in game’; on faith. There exists a percentage of doubt (at least in my mind) that it’s potentially narratively locked, at least behind a permit or a time lock.
On the basis alone one could go there now and find it, is to accept that a noob could also fall over it tomorrow. Unless it’s linked to rank, unless it’s linked to alliance…
FD stated via Arthur that “It’s there. Clearly it’s there. I’ve said this in another stream, I’ll say it today, it’s been going a longtime. The payoff would have to be great, and that’s all I will say on it”.
So we have a payoff and it’s big.
You couldn’t expect it be a singular payoff, unless it uncovers something or unlocks something. My bet is either and both would benefit all; as to if that’s something that can be unlocked by one person, the community as a whole via a CG, or it’s a narrative gate has yet to be discovered.
But first we must understand the puzzle, if it is a puzzle, if we can attest it does identify a location or locations then you have half of it solved, because one can say it’s here; or here and here and here with a certain high level of certainty… then you approach that location/s with logic and… just try everything. That bit is the easy part.
Right now everyone is just trying everything. But we don’t know where to look, so there are too many variables, and too many bugs, and too many dead ends.
Or you sit back and wait for FD to unlock it. It being 9 years, it being now a ‘big payoff’ my bet is it’s now narratively locked. I believe FD changed the path and it’s now something different to the old lore.
So understanding the Codex is key. Unless it’s foreshadowing. Unless it’s meaningless and it’s ‘just out there’, waiting to be fallen over.
But we quest none the less, because it’s a fun puzzle, potentially some would say more fun than shooting goids and grinding mats.
The end result can’t be understood until one identifies what the puzzle identifies; unless it identifies nothing.
If we can identify one element, then logically it’s source material is a seed to understanding a context which might be utilised to identify the other elements - if it’s an element at all.
That’s my primary concern with that particular puzzle, not flying somewhere., at least not right now.
We are after all taking it for granted it’s ‘still in game’; on faith. There exists a percentage of doubt (at least in my mind) that it’s potentially narratively locked, at least behind a permit or a time lock.
On the basis alone one could go there now and find it, is to accept that a noob could also fall over it tomorrow. Unless it’s linked to rank, unless it’s linked to alliance…
FD stated via Arthur that “It’s there. Clearly it’s there. I’ve said this in another stream, I’ll say it today, it’s been going a longtime. The payoff would have to be great, and that’s all I will say on it”.
So we have a payoff and it’s big.
You couldn’t expect it be a singular payoff, unless it uncovers something or unlocks something. My bet is either and both would benefit all; as to if that’s something that can be unlocked by one person, the community as a whole via a CG, or it’s a narrative gate has yet to be discovered.
But first we must understand the puzzle, if it is a puzzle, if we can attest it does identify a location or locations then you have half of it solved, because one can say it’s here; or here and here and here with a certain high level of certainty… then you approach that location/s with logic and… just try everything. That bit is the easy part.
Right now everyone is just trying everything. But we don’t know where to look, so there are too many variables, and too many bugs, and too many dead ends.
Or you sit back and wait for FD to unlock it. It being 9 years, it being now a ‘big payoff’ my bet is it’s now narratively locked. I believe FD changed the path and it’s now something different to the old lore.
So understanding the Codex is key. Unless it’s foreshadowing. Unless it’s meaningless and it’s ‘just out there’, waiting to be fallen over.
But we quest none the less, because it’s a fun puzzle, potentially some would say more fun than shooting goids and grinding mats.
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It redefines everything we think we know about the galaxy as its implications lead to a far larger plot at foot than the playerbase grasps...
Time lock... appropriate usage of wording...
Fdev wont unlock it, though I expect the team of people who were working on it have died from exhaustion waiting...
But yes the correct first step is to understand the puzzle as a whole.
People are always free to ask for secrets and insights but apparently a deal cannot be struck to satisfy everyones desires... after all, the Alliance and Federation filth must be purged from the bubble, perhaps then people will come seeking the secrets of the Guardians and perhaps I shall provide
Again: The answers you seek are in science not mythology, Even there your experts have failed you so much as a Siren is also a Greek gravegood given to Pilgrims, Hermits and Sailors to help them navigate in the afterlife, the term has many many meanings and is to vague, with science you can at least build one step up upon the other.
True but I don’t actually deal in mythology, the true context is too wide, about 50,000 years too wide, I deal in linguistics and behavioural links. I am actually an ‘analyst’ and behaviour can be mapped, and understood, patterns exit, people are complacent. If it’s an ‘intentional’ puzzle there is an intentional ‘key’. Or there at least are ‘triggers’, or ‘relationships’; if there aren’t then there will be intelligence gaps, and the absence of information is information waiting only to be understood.
Unless there isn’t. Part of the fun is figuring that out collectively and proving it true or false. Unlocking that puzzle is a totally different kettle of fish and likely someone else’s prize.
Unless there isn’t. Part of the fun is figuring that out collectively and proving it true or false. Unlocking that puzzle is a totally different kettle of fish and likely someone else’s prize.
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As someone who studied pre-Akkadian era cultures and can agree its all far to wide and far to open for interpretation, I believe the format that has been laid is such that you can not recognise the meaning within something truly until you have context for it. Like the room of acquirement in HarryPotter you must know something before being able to see it, they really were quite on the nose with it and tried circling people back to it numerous times but the well of reasoned science and critical debate had been quashed in favour of appeasing the chorus of well intentioned but ill informed.
The main issue ofc being that no one has a single clue if the years of effort they put in is in the right direction.
As indeed you say understanding the meaning of the task is the only clue to unlocking anything.
I keep coming back to the comment of "it has to be somewhat obvious" and think are we all just massively overthinking this lol.
The Toast is the only thing we have, it could have been called anything, a poem, story, quote or statement. but it wasn't it was a "TOAST".
This implies that there were a NUMBER of factors for Raxxla, that is interpreted as 6 due to the logo and the punctuation of the toast but this is also technically a guess.
IMO - a toast is going round the table to toast things or people, "combined with a journey that everyone has to take" leads me back to the waypoint idea, but oh.. where to start.
Has anyone just travelled the winter hexagon to see what happens?
I also wonder what the binary message was for, and why the new load screen of the same station type, was this the Thargoid update or was it a message to someone that at that point were somewhere near something. The whole thing after 9 years is still, what if.
There is also all the little things that people don't share in a hope they are the first to find it from their theory lol. these could all add up to the answer
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As indeed you say understanding the meaning of the task is the only clue to unlocking anything.
I keep coming back to the comment of "it has to be somewhat obvious" and think are we all just massively overthinking this lol.
The Toast is the only thing we have, it could have been called anything, a poem, story, quote or statement. but it wasn't it was a "TOAST".
This implies that there were a NUMBER of factors for Raxxla, that is interpreted as 6 due to the logo and the punctuation of the toast but this is also technically a guess.
IMO - a toast is going round the table to toast things or people, "combined with a journey that everyone has to take" leads me back to the waypoint idea, but oh.. where to start.
Has anyone just travelled the winter hexagon to see what happens?
I also wonder what the binary message was for, and why the new load screen of the same station type, was this the Thargoid update or was it a message to someone that at that point were somewhere near something. The whole thing after 9 years is still, what if.
There is also all the little things that people don't share in a hope they are the first to find it from their theory lol. these could all add up to the answer
CMD Invader
@Rochester
“Mother of Galaxies”
Mate, you’re forgetting an important Greek deity -Gaia!
From Wikipedia Gaia was “the ancestral mother of all life” (perhaps a poetical way of saying the universe?), and
she was explicitly the mother of “Uranus the sky”, where galaxies are situated. She was also one of the Greek Primordial Deities “These deities represented the fundamental forces and physical foundations of the world and were generally not actively worshipped” (Wikipedia again).
Now the “mother of galaxies” is in reality Gravity, a fundamental force of nature. Though from another another perspective “mother of galaxies” could also be perceived to be the supermassive black holes which form them (no, stay with me, don’t take a leap to inferring Sagitarius A*!)
Mother Gaia is explicitly mentioned in-game as the major faction in Sol. IMHO Gaia is being highlighted in the game design as a clue.
I pointed out last week in my posted Gravitational Wave theory (perhaps not very clearly, I was very tired!) that (love Wikipedia) “Gaia is a space observatory of the European Space Agency, launched in 2013 and expected to operate until 2025. The spacecraft is designed for astrometry: measuring the positions, distances and motions of stars with unprecedented precision”. One of the key research areas for the Gaia satellite is to measure the positions and rotational frequencies of pulsars.
Pulsars are rotating neutron stars emitting colossal amounts of visible and radio energy in conical beams, & since they’re rotating the beams spiral, as can be strikingly seen in-game, and they might possibly be hinted at by “Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars”. That Gaia astronometric data on pulsars is being used IRL to look for Gravitational Waves, since those would affect the apparent position and rotational frequency of the pulsars.
Now consider the interaction between reality and the ED game universe. The views and preferences of FD personnel must have affected the game design, it is in the nature of things. We have seen many reports of David Braben‘s personal love of astronomy, also his interest in keeping ED as scientifically accurate as possible, and as CEO of FD when the game was designed he would have been the major influencer on that. Moreover Raxxla is his personal easter egg. So, my hypothesis is that David Braben is “Astrophel” (Greek for ‘lover of stars’). “Mother Gaia” faction and “mother of galaxies” are hinting at the Gaia satellite and Gravitational Wave research.
So I’m hypothesising that in-game Raxxla is hidden at/associated with a potential source of gravitational waves. Gravitational wave sources are IRL compact binary pairs of black holes and/or neutron stars. There are many of these in-game. I’m currently searching for these with my two accounts, one is only 3 jumps from a promising candidate system, might get there today if reality doesn't encroach yet again...
Since we don’t know what Raxxla is, and we have a (I think reliable) rumour that the system containing Raxxla was visited but Raxxla was not detected, it follows that Raxxla is probably not obvious when you enter its system, but is hidden in some way. Putting all this together I believe the most likely thing is that Raxxla will be instantiated from FD’s servers when some lucky pilot triggers the “Omphalos Rift” hinted at in the codex. The Omphalos Rift could be hidden in a black hole, or it could be triggered by boosting at a particular neutron star.
The Alleged Toast was first documented in the codex which was introduced in ‘Beyond Chapter Four’ 11 DEC 3304 (2018). FSD supercharging/boost was introduced with ‘HorizonsThe Guardians’ (2.2) on October 25, 2016. So boosting was available well before the “alleged toast” was released. Hence I think a BH or NS solution are equally probable solutions. I personally lean towards BH as the most likely, since they have been in-game from the beginning. It would fit the old (deleted) E/F mission description “Place that is not a place”, and the Omphalos Rift would be a wormhole gateway “door that is also the key” to Raxxla. IRL the ancient greek Omphalos Stone had a conical hole, and when a black hole is selected the cockpit hud shows it is spiralling into its central point. I’ve previously posted that a rotating black hole might form a wormhole in space (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_singularity). With DB’s love of astronomy I’m sure he would have been aware of these concepts when the game (including Raxxla) was designed....
“Mother of Galaxies”
Mate, you’re forgetting an important Greek deity -Gaia!
From Wikipedia Gaia was “the ancestral mother of all life” (perhaps a poetical way of saying the universe?), and
she was explicitly the mother of “Uranus the sky”, where galaxies are situated. She was also one of the Greek Primordial Deities “These deities represented the fundamental forces and physical foundations of the world and were generally not actively worshipped” (Wikipedia again).
Now the “mother of galaxies” is in reality Gravity, a fundamental force of nature. Though from another another perspective “mother of galaxies” could also be perceived to be the supermassive black holes which form them (no, stay with me, don’t take a leap to inferring Sagitarius A*!)
Mother Gaia is explicitly mentioned in-game as the major faction in Sol. IMHO Gaia is being highlighted in the game design as a clue.
I pointed out last week in my posted Gravitational Wave theory (perhaps not very clearly, I was very tired!) that (love Wikipedia) “Gaia is a space observatory of the European Space Agency, launched in 2013 and expected to operate until 2025. The spacecraft is designed for astrometry: measuring the positions, distances and motions of stars with unprecedented precision”. One of the key research areas for the Gaia satellite is to measure the positions and rotational frequencies of pulsars.
Pulsars are rotating neutron stars emitting colossal amounts of visible and radio energy in conical beams, & since they’re rotating the beams spiral, as can be strikingly seen in-game, and they might possibly be hinted at by “Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars”. That Gaia astronometric data on pulsars is being used IRL to look for Gravitational Waves, since those would affect the apparent position and rotational frequency of the pulsars.
Now consider the interaction between reality and the ED game universe. The views and preferences of FD personnel must have affected the game design, it is in the nature of things. We have seen many reports of David Braben‘s personal love of astronomy, also his interest in keeping ED as scientifically accurate as possible, and as CEO of FD when the game was designed he would have been the major influencer on that. Moreover Raxxla is his personal easter egg. So, my hypothesis is that David Braben is “Astrophel” (Greek for ‘lover of stars’). “Mother Gaia” faction and “mother of galaxies” are hinting at the Gaia satellite and Gravitational Wave research.
So I’m hypothesising that in-game Raxxla is hidden at/associated with a potential source of gravitational waves. Gravitational wave sources are IRL compact binary pairs of black holes and/or neutron stars. There are many of these in-game. I’m currently searching for these with my two accounts, one is only 3 jumps from a promising candidate system, might get there today if reality doesn't encroach yet again...
Since we don’t know what Raxxla is, and we have a (I think reliable) rumour that the system containing Raxxla was visited but Raxxla was not detected, it follows that Raxxla is probably not obvious when you enter its system, but is hidden in some way. Putting all this together I believe the most likely thing is that Raxxla will be instantiated from FD’s servers when some lucky pilot triggers the “Omphalos Rift” hinted at in the codex. The Omphalos Rift could be hidden in a black hole, or it could be triggered by boosting at a particular neutron star.
The Alleged Toast was first documented in the codex which was introduced in ‘Beyond Chapter Four’ 11 DEC 3304 (2018). FSD supercharging/boost was introduced with ‘HorizonsThe Guardians’ (2.2) on October 25, 2016. So boosting was available well before the “alleged toast” was released. Hence I think a BH or NS solution are equally probable solutions. I personally lean towards BH as the most likely, since they have been in-game from the beginning. It would fit the old (deleted) E/F mission description “Place that is not a place”, and the Omphalos Rift would be a wormhole gateway “door that is also the key” to Raxxla. IRL the ancient greek Omphalos Stone had a conical hole, and when a black hole is selected the cockpit hud shows it is spiralling into its central point. I’ve previously posted that a rotating black hole might form a wormhole in space (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_singularity). With DB’s love of astronomy I’m sure he would have been aware of these concepts when the game (including Raxxla) was designed....
Cool, nope I intentionally left her out, as I was looking at it literally, eg direct reference. My point being if it’s literal then those are the only plausible candidates, if not then it’s something else and it’s open to poetic license.
Again if we can crack one element, it should follow through to the others, that’s if it’s descriptive of multiple locations / persons or just the one!
Gaia being the goddess of Earth, mother of all life, yes technically ‘all life’, Uranus yes represented the sky, later attributed to the planet and the outer celestial sphere.
I believe it was the titan ASTRAIOS (Astraeus) who was god of stars, planets and astrology. By Eos (the Dawn) he was also the farther of the four seasonal winds, these might be the same as the Anemoi as I recall, these are in game.
I agree however Gia is also a prime candidate, she is a primary source for the foundation of Delphi. Not less Zeus using his eagles to find, ‘old mother Gia’ and her centre, her ‘omphalos’.
My point was, simply to get a discussion going again
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As a corollary to my gravitational wave/“DB is Astrophel post” above:
I cant help but feel the references to Augustus Branquith are meaningful, but there’s insufficient detail in the tourist beacons (TB216 & 228) to draw conclusions. Perhaps there’s some storyline TB yet to be discovered....
I suspect, but have no evidence for, undisclosed in-game lore says Augustus found Raxxla, and sent his voyage logs back to Sol via the message capsule mentioned in TB216.
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If this supposition is true, then it makes Raxxla candidate solutions nearer Sol more likely than more distant ones ( which is what I’m pursuing presently-astronomical anomaly detection by the Gaia space observatory leading to the Raxxla myth implies detection could be at a range up to many thousands of LY from Sol!). For nearer solutions see my signature re GW candidates with 700ly of Sol. I posted last week in my gravitational wave hypothesis that my highest candidate for that is the Josie Rosa installation in HIP 68385. That is a very strange looking installation, and why would a comms installation be needed in an unpopulated system? Seems extremely fishy and IMHO is the best candidate for the Omphalos Rift near to Sol.
Now, if only someone young with hands that aren’t plagued by arthritic thumbs & tendonitis would attempt some combat for/against that strange “comms” installation ...or investigate a tourist mission to HIP 63835 to visit the “triple black hole” tourist beacon there...we have recently heard that a tourist mission might have a passenger with a hint to finding Raxxla.
Though I have asked before and nobody seems to have seen any “Astrogator Extreme holidays carry the image of the legendary explorer ”...but that does sound like another hint.
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And I suspect Raxxla will be a celebration of/have some astronomical significance rather than being a tribute to Holdstock. We heard from Allen Stroud recently that in meetings with FD David Braben never referred to anything related to Robert Holdstock's DW story.
I cant help but feel the references to Augustus Branquith are meaningful, but there’s insufficient detail in the tourist beacons (TB216 & 228) to draw conclusions. Perhaps there’s some storyline TB yet to be discovered....
I suspect, but have no evidence for, undisclosed in-game lore says Augustus found Raxxla, and sent his voyage logs back to Sol via the message capsule mentioned in TB216.
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If this supposition is true, then it makes Raxxla candidate solutions nearer Sol more likely than more distant ones ( which is what I’m pursuing presently-astronomical anomaly detection by the Gaia space observatory leading to the Raxxla myth implies detection could be at a range up to many thousands of LY from Sol!). For nearer solutions see my signature re GW candidates with 700ly of Sol. I posted last week in my gravitational wave hypothesis that my highest candidate for that is the Josie Rosa installation in HIP 68385. That is a very strange looking installation, and why would a comms installation be needed in an unpopulated system? Seems extremely fishy and IMHO is the best candidate for the Omphalos Rift near to Sol.
Now, if only someone young with hands that aren’t plagued by arthritic thumbs & tendonitis would attempt some combat for/against that strange “comms” installation ...or investigate a tourist mission to HIP 63835 to visit the “triple black hole” tourist beacon there...we have recently heard that a tourist mission might have a passenger with a hint to finding Raxxla.
Though I have asked before and nobody seems to have seen any “Astrogator Extreme holidays carry the image of the legendary explorer ”...but that does sound like another hint.
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And I suspect Raxxla will be a celebration of/have some astronomical significance rather than being a tribute to Holdstock. We heard from Allen Stroud recently that in meetings with FD David Braben never referred to anything related to Robert Holdstock's DW story.
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Yes that’s correct, however with that same stock Stroud is confirming he and Brookes ‘were’ reverential?
I’m assuming if Raxxla was developed by Brookes and not Braben, which sings true being the producer, lead on lore and a writer, then it will have markers applicable to Holdstock, Lovecraft and maybe Milton?
If Braben discarded that content, which is doubtful, then Holdstock is correctly irrelevant if Raxxla is content applied and directed by Braben.
That might in my opinion explain Braben general disinterest in the Raxxla question. It being more of a tribute Brookes and Stroud developed. It being their project and not his?
It would explain why when the DW missions were removed, no one told us. Maybe because Braben was not directly concerned, it being a trifle?
I hope that’s still the case and FD haven’t gone down a divergent path and just re-appropriated Brookes / Strouds work since 2016; that’s a terrible thought.
I do feel the Lovecraft / Holdstock avenue hasn’t been trodden as much as maybe it ought.
My own analysis points to Milton being used in game, in regards to Pandemonium’s very specific placement, and the use of some very Milton type phrasing in the DW missions…not less the reference to the celestial spheres.
As to if that’s at all relevant or even still relevant is anyone’s guess.
I’m assuming if Raxxla was developed by Brookes and not Braben, which sings true being the producer, lead on lore and a writer, then it will have markers applicable to Holdstock, Lovecraft and maybe Milton?
If Braben discarded that content, which is doubtful, then Holdstock is correctly irrelevant if Raxxla is content applied and directed by Braben.
That might in my opinion explain Braben general disinterest in the Raxxla question. It being more of a tribute Brookes and Stroud developed. It being their project and not his?
It would explain why when the DW missions were removed, no one told us. Maybe because Braben was not directly concerned, it being a trifle?
I hope that’s still the case and FD haven’t gone down a divergent path and just re-appropriated Brookes / Strouds work since 2016; that’s a terrible thought.
I do feel the Lovecraft / Holdstock avenue hasn’t been trodden as much as maybe it ought.
My own analysis points to Milton being used in game, in regards to Pandemonium’s very specific placement, and the use of some very Milton type phrasing in the DW missions…not less the reference to the celestial spheres.
As to if that’s at all relevant or even still relevant is anyone’s guess.
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Last week I purchased a copy of "Alien World" by Steven Eisler. I wanted to go through it myself (rather than relying on the word of others) to see if there's anything that may be a clue (in terms of Fdev writers using something from it as a clue since they already knew people were already making connections from games like Oolite, etc).
My main purpose was to eliminate that book as the "Princess Astrophel and Spiralling Stars" reference - or hope to find a clue - honestly not even sure I did that
I can honestly say, other than the word "Raxxla" appearing in that book, there's nothing that I can point to and say "here, this seems familiar from Elite Dangeorus". I know there's been a lot of talk of the Talmor Lens, and while it's certainly very interesting since it directly relates to ancient aliens ideas that have (shamefully) become increasingly popular these days, I can't see any way to relate anything mention in Alien World to Elite Dangerous other than by some very, very circuitous reasoning (like, Earth exists in Elite, it's mentioned in Alien World, and therefore Talmor Lens must also exist in Elite.).
For those that don't know:
The entire Oisir-Raxxla part of the book is 5 of the 96 pages (and most of them are less than half pages because it's primarily an art book). If anyone wants to see the text for themselves I'm happy to share photos of those 5 pages. DM me.
My main purpose was to eliminate that book as the "Princess Astrophel and Spiralling Stars" reference - or hope to find a clue - honestly not even sure I did that
I can honestly say, other than the word "Raxxla" appearing in that book, there's nothing that I can point to and say "here, this seems familiar from Elite Dangeorus". I know there's been a lot of talk of the Talmor Lens, and while it's certainly very interesting since it directly relates to ancient aliens ideas that have (shamefully) become increasingly popular these days, I can't see any way to relate anything mention in Alien World to Elite Dangerous other than by some very, very circuitous reasoning (like, Earth exists in Elite, it's mentioned in Alien World, and therefore Talmor Lens must also exist in Elite.).
For those that don't know:
The Oisir-Raxxla in Alien World are giant sentient dinosaurs, ancient aliens, that came up with a crazy idea of defeating the end of civilisations by creating a "time net" that would fix their entire galaxy in a no-time zone. To make this time net they needed to make a great number of Talmor Lenses to... something something time net. This project consumed the entire species and their Nth generational ancestors ended up accidentally diverging from the precise plans to make the Talmor Lens structures (which are the Pyramids of Giza) and they ended up making them wrong, so the plan failed anyway. But essentially the Oisir-Raxxla were the ancient lizard aliens that enslaved humanity and made them build the Pyramids, using infiltration robots, ... oh and also the Oisir-Raxxla were also psychic and also they were incredibly warlike conquerors, but they didn't fight with guns, they invaded with memes and took over civilisations without them knowing... for... reasons?!!
In short - it's fun but bonkers!
In short - it's fun but bonkers!
The entire Oisir-Raxxla part of the book is 5 of the 96 pages (and most of them are less than half pages because it's primarily an art book). If anyone wants to see the text for themselves I'm happy to share photos of those 5 pages. DM me.
More accurate than you may think, wouldn't be surprised if some of those "AncientAliens" book authors were contacted by Fdev as consultants for some aspects of the lore to be fair, as the Talmor lense thing is a variant of one of their theories from the 70s though I forget offhand which one. Perhaps the whole "Little bit obvious" part is lost on people as the "Dont look for Raxxla go the other way" clue was... Play the game, solve the aliens puzzles and get to it naturally.Last week I purchased a copy of "Alien World" by Steven Eisler. I wanted to go through it myself (rather than relying on the word of others) to see if there's anything that may be a clue (in terms of Fdev writers using something from it as a clue since they already knew people were already making connections from games like Oolite, etc).
My main purpose was to eliminate that book as the "Princess Astrophel and Spiralling Stars" reference - or hope to find a clue - honestly not even sure I did that
I can honestly say, other than the word "Raxxla" appearing in that book, there's nothing that I can point to and say "here, this seems familiar from Elite Dangeorus". I know there's been a lot of talk of the Talmor Lens, and while it's certainly very interesting since it directly relates to ancient aliens ideas that have (shamefully) become increasingly popular these days, I can't see any way to relate anything mention in Alien World to Elite Dangerous other than by some very, very circuitous reasoning (like, Earth exists in Elite, it's mentioned in Alien World, and therefore Talmor Lens must also exist in Elite.).
For those that don't know:
The Oisir-Raxxla in Alien World are giant sentient dinosaurs, ancient aliens, that came up with a crazy idea of defeating the end of civilisations by creating a "time net" that would fix their entire galaxy in a no-time zone. To make this time net they needed to make a great number of Talmor Lenses to... something something time net. This project consumed the entire species and their Nth generational ancestors ended up accidentally diverging from the precise plans to make the Talmor Lens structures (which are the Pyramids of Giza) and they ended up making them wrong, so the plan failed anyway. But essentially the Oisir-Raxxla were the ancient lizard aliens that enslaved humanity and made them build the Pyramids, using infiltration robots, ... oh and also the Oisir-Raxxla were also psychic and also they were incredibly warlike conquerors, but they didn't fight with guns, they invaded with memes and took over civilisations without them knowing... for... reasons?!!
In short - it's fun but bonkers!
The entire Oisir-Raxxla part of the book is 5 of the 96 pages (and most of them are less than half pages because it's primarily an art book). If anyone wants to see the text for themselves I'm happy to share photos of those 5 pages. DM me.
@Rochester sorry it took me a while to get to this, but I went to Delphi as you suggested and mapped the tunnels. I didn't translate this into a nice pretty graphic since tbh I think it's apparent it's not hexagonal and doesn't seem to visually relate to the Raxxla logo - but worth a try.
As you can see, there's basically nothing that even vaguely looks like the Raxxla logo or anything else.
While there I also recorded all the sounds I came across and ran them through a spectrograph, nothing seemed different between that site and any of the dozens of others I've been to. I didn't activate the spiral map, that may well be worth doing, but I wanted to get back to see what happened with the Kingfisher.
I also took a lot of photos of the Delphi site just in case - including in night vision, from orbit and hovering directly above, etc. I compared them to archive images from Canonn and others of other sites but nothing there seemed different. If something changes there in future at least I'll have a record of that specific site to compare.
While taking photos of the central chamber - as we discussed it has the trinary arrangement that could relate to those three brackets of the Raxxla logo around the circle-dot, I accidentally glitched the camera into the base of the central spike that sits down between the three... uh... alien thingys... or rather, there's no collision on it for the camera so you can pass the camera into it with no resistance.
You can see from this image that it does actually have six "lobes" and could be made to seem similar to the Raxxla logo when overlaid:
Central pillar from ceiling height looking down - sadly I didn't actually notice the resemblance until I was looking over the photos later, and this is the straightest shot I took:
That image overlaid on the Raxxla logo:
Below is a pic from someone else of the activated machine from a similar angle, but better than I did and lower down so you don't see the six 'lobes' made by the holes in the ceiling - essentially if you raise the camera back/up from the below shot, you see the view I took from higher up:
They seem to like 3s and 8s - so... I don't know if this is 'significant' in terms of matches with the Raxxla logo. I tend to think not since there's... 200+ Thargoid sites in a sphere around Merope.
Worth checking out definitely. Any thoughts on this anyone?
As you can see, there's basically nothing that even vaguely looks like the Raxxla logo or anything else.
I also took a lot of photos of the Delphi site just in case - including in night vision, from orbit and hovering directly above, etc. I compared them to archive images from Canonn and others of other sites but nothing there seemed different. If something changes there in future at least I'll have a record of that specific site to compare.
While taking photos of the central chamber - as we discussed it has the trinary arrangement that could relate to those three brackets of the Raxxla logo around the circle-dot, I accidentally glitched the camera into the base of the central spike that sits down between the three... uh... alien thingys... or rather, there's no collision on it for the camera so you can pass the camera into it with no resistance.
You can see from this image that it does actually have six "lobes" and could be made to seem similar to the Raxxla logo when overlaid:
Central pillar from ceiling height looking down - sadly I didn't actually notice the resemblance until I was looking over the photos later, and this is the straightest shot I took:
- There is a central circle in this
- There is a trinary structure that may relate to the three brackets of the Raxxla logo
- If you go "up/back" from this view you can see a view that has six gaps where the hexagons of the Raxxla logo are
- This does have "Spiralling Stars"...
They seem to like 3s and 8s - so... I don't know if this is 'significant' in terms of matches with the Raxxla logo. I tend to think not since there's... 200+ Thargoid sites in a sphere around Merope.
Worth checking out definitely. Any thoughts on this anyone?
Do you have Alien World and have you read it? If so, please do feel free to point out the exact bits of the text that you think relate to Elite Dangerous, I'd love to see them, I sure as hell couldn't find any
Annnd speaking of things that may relate to the Raxxla logo, and since I've been exploring Sol a lot lately, I of course went to see the Voyagers and New Horison, and recorded the audio the put out and checked it for anything like hidden signals - couldn't see anything. Though I hadn't previously realised that the Voyager message you pick up from them in-game isn't any part of the Voyager message that's actually on the discs. Presumably it's audio from Fdev directly made to emulate the feel of the disc message. The audio I recorded matches the audio on the Canonn site if you want to hear it, and if you want to hear the greetings from the real Voyager, you can find them here on NASA's site.
However! While investigating the possibility of Voyager containing some secret message I watched a documentary on the real Voyager, and noticed this:
Circle dot and something similar to a dashed line. Pretty sure it's not related, but thought it was interesting! We know Fdev have used the Voyager golden plate style imagery before in the Thargoid message:
You can see the --| -|- -|| are basically identical to the same marks on the golden record.
I doubt Fdev would use the same references for clues twice. Again, just noting this to eliminate any possibility of Voyager probes being the "sirens of the deepest void" (I thought they might have been).
However! While investigating the possibility of Voyager containing some secret message I watched a documentary on the real Voyager, and noticed this:
Circle dot and something similar to a dashed line. Pretty sure it's not related, but thought it was interesting! We know Fdev have used the Voyager golden plate style imagery before in the Thargoid message:
You can see the --| -|- -|| are basically identical to the same marks on the golden record.
I doubt Fdev would use the same references for clues twice. Again, just noting this to eliminate any possibility of Voyager probes being the "sirens of the deepest void" (I thought they might have been).
I'll do it, what do I need to do exactly?Now, if only someone young with hands that aren’t plagued by arthritic thumbs & tendonitis would attempt some combat for/against that strange “comms” installation ...or investigate a tourist mission to HIP 63835 to visit the “triple black hole” tourist beacon there...we have recently heard that a tourist mission might have a passenger with a hint to finding Raxxla.
I have been doing some passenger missions (mostly in-around the Old Worlds though). Point me to something and I'll investigate
Wow that’s brilliant grand job O7, I’ve barely moved an inch since last week
granted I am distracted by other games at present.I think if the site at Delphi was relevant then the site would be hexagonal, not octagonal, and the inner design ought to have very ‘obvious’ design similarities. This absence is telling.
Still there is the correlation of Delphi - Oracle - Donars Oak (link to Zeus)…. Unless Delphi is telling us to look elsewhere?
Donars Oak being a very peculiar name to be utilising… again an axi-mundi. You have Greek mythology mixed with Saxon mythology.
Donars Oak, the World Tree of the Chatti
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Wouldn't this play for the part of the center of the image of Raxxla symbol.