The Quest To Find Raxxla
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I have previously investigated the idea of connection with generation ships. Here it is necessary to immediately divide into the historical part and the conspiracy.
Historical part: officially, the events of the first elite took place, in the current elite, players have already found Jameson's ship. If we take into account the whole story, then we have inra and the club. Inra was developing mycoid weapons against the targoids, which Jameson later used on mothership.
We have the remains of Inra bases where weapons were developed.
Now to the conspiracy part: The club knew that the Targoids would return. And that's why they sent generation ships to various sectors of the galaxy.
However, 2 ships are out of the picture. This is Zurara who flew the furthest. And Thetis, who allegedly caught the signal.
To date, we as players do not know the full picture of these two ships. Even despite the logs, it is clear that there are missing pieces of the mosaic
Now to the interesting things: Inra was completely focused on contacts with the targoids. Here we have not only mycoid weapons, but also reverse engineering of hyperdrives and much more. I was most interested in a moment in the history of Inra related to research expeditions.
Now we have two super factions on the map: the Empire and the federation. In the early days there was still Galcop.
Galcop, together with inra, which was founded by the federation, launched expedition ships, as well as ships for monitoring targoids.
For example, Azimuth Biochem, which was also founded in the era before FSD, also actively participated in the study of targoids. Of course they had connections with Inra and Galcop.
One of these research ships that we know about is Adamstor. But we are not interested in the ship itself, but in its route - sol - bernards loop. Almost all the activity of galсop, inra, azimuth, is connected with the regions of the targoids and guardians.
Musca Dark Region
Witch Head Nebula
Pleiades Nebula
Horsehead region
Bernards loop region
Coalsack nebula region
Now, after the introduction to the story, we have a problem with two ships. I will remind that the events are smeared in time, plus we add the fact that these ships did not have modern FSD's.
Thetis
This ship flew only 53.46 ly. If we count the distance from Sol to it.The signal was found to have originated from an uninhabited planet that the Thetis had passed 15 lightyears earlier.
53-15 = 38 ly from sol.
First Gen ship was launched from sol in 2097.We know for sure that Thetis was sent between 2100 and 2200. Since the expedition ships program was abandoned in 2200, due to the discovery of hyperdrive. There are 3300 years in the game now. Accordingly, the spread is almost 1100-1200 years. During this time, not only the orbits could be swept away, but also any objects could disappear or appear on the map of the galaxy.
Therefore, it is absolutely useless to look for the source of the signal.
However. His path actually took place next to the systems that are also associated with the targoids in the first elite.
So either you can throw everything on mysticism, or the targoids are to blame again.
The Zurara
We have a lot of problems with Zurara. As we know, the ships of the expeditions flew to potential worlds that can be colonized. Zurara breaks out of this scheme, because it is almost impossible to find a suitable world in the Formidine Rift. There are cold stars. And life there is almost impossible because of the remoteness. It is also worth taking into account that the crew did not understand their tasks themselves and wondered why they were sent so far. Even despite the fact that the logs indicate the abandonment of beacons in the places of Earth-like worlds.Even if we take into account that the ships of the expeditions were sent thousands of years ago. For Zurara, it was always a one-way ticket. The distance is too far. So the purpose of Zurara was not the search for worlds, but something else.
In fact, if you look from a logical point of view, the discovery of Zurara, as well as the events with Salome and so on, everything was a stage for the preparation of current events. That is, the arrival of the Targoids.
However, all these stories, the whole ent, sends us back to the time of Galcop and maybe even earlier. That is, in the very first days of space exploration. And the legend of raxxla appeared just somewhere in that time period.
Are generation ships connected to Raxxla? And yes and no. Yes, because Raxxla is associated with targoids and guardians. No - because the very purpose of the existence of these ships is different. However, as I noticed earlier, almost all events are somehow connected with aliens. Accordingly, if we want to find raxxla, we need to first understand all the events related to the guardians and targoids. And the ships of generations are included in this story. But they are not guiding points.
Buh?? I thought some at FDev had confirmed it was in the game. Including Braben:
Great logic, I agree with your summary. But again that direction is as open-ended as all the other directions we can take regarding clues.
Have you been doing some poking & sniffing around out there, perhaps during the lore-tour? I've taken the trip, but I'm none the wiser.
Your research needs to include the Venusian if for no other reason than the mention of supercruise that came up in the first log. I think it may be linked to journals from First Encounters. Specifically, it appears that the Imperials developed supercruise with the intent of hunting down and destroying what that called the Bubble ships. It is possible the Bubble ships exist after the generation ships (journals mentioned Casimir drives) but equally possible that was merely the Imperial term for generation ship. The Venusian was attacked by slavers in blood red ships. There is also curious mentions of a Deacon though identity is unknown. I believe the events in Sohalia happened as Cerberus Plague appears to be Mycoid as does Sohalia Fever. Mycoid per the Codex is created in 3125 before the Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm is created in 3193. The case against Salvation document I put together makes the case why Cerberus Plague should not be considered separate from Mycoid.
Venusian logs from Canonn Science:
Generation Ship: Venusian | Canonn Research Group
Venusian is an abandoned Generation Ship that can be found in the Kitae system, 2,532 Ls away from the Main star, in the direction of the Zephyrus system.
canonn.science
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Very interesting
I think some of the things you mention are separated by a significant gulf of time, I'm not sure if I misunderstood the connections you're making though?:
- 2097: The "Generation ships" like Thetis are ships sent from earth prior to the creation of FTL travel (and later concurrent with the earliest days).
- 2296: First mention of Raxxla.
- 2690s: Galcop formed
- 3111: Adamastor expedition dispatched to Barnard's Loop.
- 3150: INRA was a Federation-led project which officially disbanded after the first Thargoid war (approx. 3150s).
- 3170: The GSV Sarasvati (and the other Thunderchild stations) was a Galcop-funded project which was shut down in the 3170s. Galcop collapses around this time too.
- 3270s: The Zurara was part of the Dynasty project, privately funded (by the Club), part of the Exodus project. There were no other megaships in that project that we know of. It was a megaship, not a generation ship (intended for a year-long expedition only).
Personally though I think the Dynasty / Exodus projects were obliquely related to Raxxla, but more in a political and background sense than a practical. For example, The Club does very cleanly match the idea of a 'sinister cabal controlling humanity' as suggested by the Raxxla Codex - and Drew Wager has said the Club was Braben's idea and was given to him to write into his books.
The Club has a lot of information, particularly about what they believe the Thargoids are doing, and why, and they are shown to have essentially ultra-classified information known only to a handful of people. We also know one of the Club is a major bigshot at Sirius (another contender for the 'sinister cabal' title).
I could well believe that The Club are involved with Raxxla somehow.
This is not accurate in that is not the INRA you think it is. INRA here is the Imperial Navy Reserve Arm not the Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm which is founded after the First Thargoid War had already ended in 3193 (that is per one of Thargoid codex entries). Also, per Galnet "Galactic News: The Thargoids" has the Thargoids appear in 3125 and then disappeared in 3151 (believe that date is from a Thargoid codex entry). Further, "Galactic News: The Thargoids" covers the Veliaze incident though that appears to be pirates per "Ships Lost in Space" and the "The Black Prince" beacons in Zelada which has the planet New Africa in the system. Zelada is currently the best candidate for the location of the Zelada Incident.
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Yes, I have arranged a huge number of expeditions. Thetis is really interesting, but not because of the signal, but because of the route. 38 light years is a lot. I screened out on the map all the systems that are now inhabited and checked those that are uninhabited.It didn't lead me anywhere, because most of the systems have been explored, and almost all the planets have a label that players landed there and walked there. That is, players who have the latest version of the game.
As for Zurara. This is a giant search region. In the rift it is very difficult to pave the way, as the wrong jump and you can get stuck without fuel. Since there may not be fuel stars around. It would be cool if someone with a capital ship would jump into that region and conduct a search. To be able to refuel smaller ships.
Musca Dark Region (Coalsack) - Adamstor was passing by system Musca Dark Region PJ-P B6-1, Which is very close to the nebula itself. I have not explored the nebula itself. But I'm going soon. It's not big, so you can manage it in a month or two.
Witch Head Nebula - There is Alliance base in Evangelis. So I was able to explore the region. I didn't find anything.
Pleiades Nebula - the studied region. Nothing extraordinary
Horsehead region - permit locked.
Bernards loop region - To big to explore.
Next to bernard loops we have Orion nebula and Flame Nebula.
They belong to the Trapezium Sector. Trapezium is also mentioned more than once in the Lore as a region associated with the targoids. There is also a crashed anaconda from a research expedition.
Also nearby is the Col 70 of the sector. Which are closed by permission. Col 70 are related to more modern stories about the targoids. Who got into galnet. Col 70 - Flyua - Synuefe - related to targoid - guardian events.
At the moment, I am interested in: Musca, Orion nebula, Barnards Loop. I will investigate them.
Very interesting
I think some of the things you mention are separated by a significant gulf of time, I'm not sure if I misunderstood the connections you're making though?:
I do agree with the idea that the Zurara / Formidine Rift expedition may have had a greater purpose than only setting up the Exodus project.
- 2097: The "Generation ships" like Thetis are ships sent from earth prior to the creation of FTL travel (and later concurrent with the earliest days).
- 2296: First mention of Raxxla.
- 2690s: Galcop formed
- 3111: Adamastor expedition dispatched to Barnard's Loop.
- 3150: INRA was a Federation-led project which officially disbanded after the first Thargoid war (approx. 3150s).
- 3170: The GSV Sarasvati (and the other Thunderchild stations) was a Galcop-funded project which was shut down in the 3170s. Galcop collapses around this time too.
- 3270s: The Zurara was part of the Dynasty project, privately funded (by the Club), part of the Exodus project. There were no other megaships in that project that we know of. It was a megaship, not a generation ship (intended for a year-long expedition only).
Personally though I think the Dynasty / Exodus projects were obliquely related to Raxxla, but more in a political and background sense than a practical. For example, The Club does very cleanly match the idea of a 'sinister cabal controlling humanity' as suggested by the Raxxla Codex - and Drew Wager has said the Club was Braben's idea and was given to him to write into his books.
The Club has a lot of information, particularly about what they believe the Thargoids are doing, and why, and they are shown to have essentially ultra-classified information known only to a handful of people. We also know one of the Club is a major bigshot at Sirius (another contender for the 'sinister cabal' title).
I could well believe that The Club are involved with Raxxla somehow.
There is 2 Inra organisations.
First Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm - joint Federal-Imperial initiative in 3125
Second Imperial Naval Reserve Arm between 2680 to 3100 - On the basis of which the modern inra was born
But everything else - Yes you're right. That's why I pointed out that whether we want it or not, but all events revolve around history, politics, and so on. But the ships cannot be pointing points because of the large time gap
What this tells me is that the Guardian AI know we're on to something and trying to throw us off the scent.
There's also a third: "Independent Naval Research Arm" which was in "..And Here the Wheel". I believe additionally, the First Encounters journals made multiple references to "research arm of INRA" and "Intergalactic Naval Research Arm". There are apparently multiple INRAs in existence. Check the Thargoid codexes but I believe one states Mycoid originated in 3125 and still another references the official founding date of "Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm" as 3193. This poses a problem because even "Azimuth A Historical Perspective (Part Five)" reiterates that Thargoids were gone and vanished by 3151 following deployment of Mycoid against a Thargoid mothership. This means Klatt Enterprises, Stack, and Stuart Retreat (probably multiple others too) must have happened before 3151.
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What's this based on?
The idea of two INRA's is interesting I just can't find a source for an older/other version of INRA in Elite Dangerous.
Regardless of that, as I said, I'm not sure I understand the connection you're making between some of these things? Could you elaborate, it seems interesting.
Disappeared from the bubble. Here it is also necessary to do, so to speak, separation into several views. The events describing the first Targoid war are almost always in inhabited regions. So if you look from this point of view, then yes, the Targoids have disappeared from the bubble. I'm more interested in where they come from. The same Stargoids: If you look at the paths, so to speak, came from three regions known to us. On the one hand, developers could make such paths, simply because. On the other hand, all these paths intersect with regions that are historically associated with the targoids.
The only 2 who gets knocked out from scheme is the region Prooe Drye because its to close to bubble and in the same galactic region.
And one from Elysian Shore. Since the path lies between Bernards Loop and Formidine rift
Everything else is related to Barnards loop.
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We were talking about the connection between the generation ships and raxxla. I tried to explain that the ships themselves have nothing to do with it. But they were created to find worlds in the "case" of a new war with the targoids that we are seeing now. Every time you start exploring the lore of the elite, you run into the targoids and guardians. New technologies? Thargoids or guardians. New discoveries? They. New events? They.
The club, the wheel, the organizations are different, they have always had a very great importance on the events of the elite. And always, one way or another, were associated with the targoids and the guardians.That's why I'm saying that raxxla is also somehow connected with aliens.And of course, this has been explicitly mentioned more than once in all books and short stories.
I wish I had screenshots of it but one or more INRA sites mentioned the phrase "science division" just below the main logo. When things calm down I have to do a second pass at the INRA sites to see if Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm exists earlier than 3193 or are there differences on ones that required captured Thargoids for tests because that detail is important. I am working on more precise dating for first game but all indications point to sometime between 3174-3199 due to Lave being a dictatorship at that point (when Walden came to power). If so, the Thargoids disappeared for mere decades.
We really, really need to know when supercruise came about and if it was connected with one of the various INRAs. Venusian generation ship seems to indicate a much earlier origin of this technology.
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Try. Because they may soon be gone. The most logical action on the part of the developers is the partial destruction of the bubble. So I expect in the near future in the game: Mother ships of the targoids, the construction of bases by players, and so on. Because the size of the stargoids coincided with the size of the targoid bases with holomaps. Only these are not bases, but motherships.
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