The Quest To Find Raxxla

[MrSuction]

I read this in Jorkis Summary:

David Braben:
“There are missions out there I know almost no players have seen,”....I wasn’t making friends with the minor factions.

I accepted a mission by TDW today .
i was asked in a message to do a "chaos" mission and kill 20 civilian ships.
so I asked myself what if becoming enemy to a faction triggers events in game?

being a triple elite, ruined relations with all the factions in the capital systems, sirius, in shindez with DW and even PF. i didn't stop there and also lowered my reputation with superpowers to -100. 320 million bounty and endless interceptions is all I got.
with -100 reputation half the bubble is enemies. you fly into the system and the whole radar is red

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

being a triple elite, ruined relations with all the factions in the capital systems, sirius, in shindez with DW and even PF. i didn't stop there and also lowered my reputation with superpowers to -100. 320 million bounty and endless interceptions is all I got.
with -100 reputation half the bubble is enemies. you fly into the system and the whole radar is red

There are reasons combat ELITE takes forever if done remotely legally and ethically.

 

[Hanerib]

The use of the term Shibboleth: a custom, principle, or belief distinguishing a particular class or group of people, might have been used to identify a specific name within that system…

Its moon is interestingly named Kyllikki, which as @simulacrae identifies, might refer to a character from the epic Norse poem Kalevala, and the mysterious magical item the Sampo, which is very interesting.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10122689

But who knows, keep digging anything is possible.

Translating Sanskrit is usually a good sign. Apparently here we are dealing with a very tragic and cautionary tale about dangers of eating too much fish, breaking the firmament and many-eyed wheels within wheels in the process.

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[Rochester]

Translating Sanskrit is usually a good sign. Apparently here we are dealing with a very tragic and cautionary tale about dangers of eating too much fish, breaking the firmament and many-eyed wheels within wheels in the process.

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Just updating some foil.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10125313

 

[Emperor]

The Astrophel could be famous persons related to space/astronomy.
Maybe the path laid out by the systems named after them would form a spiral, or lead somewhere...
I found interesting to discover that Ptolemy (famous for his early cosmogonic model) and Komarov (Russian astronaut) were both neighbors in the same region close to a nebula I visited some time ago.

I tried researching and marking the number of system names to do with Astronomy/Space/etc.... and it's always bugged me the string of stars from Barnard's loop which points directly at the bubble as far as I can see...

Here's some examples you can search on surname (mostly!).... I spent some time just looking at names for star systems in that area and learned a bit about them...the lists below are not exhaustive and these will have been manually named for some reason...??

*there are other astronomers/etc as system names in the bubble too and of course there are loads of stations with famous people's names scattered about too...

Which Astronomers/Astrophysicists are in the Orion Nebula, Running Man Nebula, Barnard’s loop area?

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)	Yup
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543)	Yup
Isaac Newton (1642-1727)	Yup
Carl Sagan (1934-1996)	Yup
Tycho Brahe (1546-1601)	Yup
Stephen Hawking (1942-2018)	Yup	“Hawking’s Reach”
Anders Celsius (1701-1744)	Yup
Christiaan Huygens (1629-1695)	Yup
Hipparchus	Yup
Ptolemy	Yup
Aryabhata	Yup
Khayyam	Yup
Robert Wilson (1936- )	Yup
Urbain-Jean-Joseph Le Verrier	Yup	“Le Verrier”
Christiaan Huygens	Yup
Giovanni Domenico Cassini	Yup
Joseph-Louis Lagrange	Yup
Edmond Halley	Yup

Which Astronauts are in the Orion Nebula, Running Man Nebula, Barnard’s loop area?

Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)	Yup
Buzz Aldrin (1930- )	Yup
Yuri Gagarin (1934-1968)	Yup
Alan Shepard (1923-1998)	Yup
John Glenn (1921-2016)	Yup
Valentina Tereshkova (1937- )	Yup
Michael Collins (1930-2021)	Yup
Gene Cernan (1934-2017)	Yup
Eileen Collins (1956- )	Yup
Valentina Tereshkova (1937- )	Yup
Alexei Leonov (1934-2019)	Yup
Vladimir Komarov (1927-1967)	Yup
Valery Bykovsky (1934 - 2019)	Yup
Frank Borman (1928 - )	Yup
Donn Eisele (1930 -1987)	Yup
Charles "Pete" Conrad (1930 - 1999)	Yup
Leroy Gordon Cooper Jr.	Yup	“Gordon Cooper”

 

[yelboc]

Those lines of stars are from real world star surveys, where a telescope is pointed in one direction to analyse a whole bunch of stars.This is why the lines point at sol. Look at spitzer surveys, for instance. They just came in with the star catalogues..

e.g. :https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0067-0049/184/1/18

for those that have been to the Heart and Soul and recal S-171 xx stars which get a mention in this paper.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Didn't DB say something along the lines of 'it might be easier to find if more people scan for it' ?

Cant find the source for it.

It was Cmdr Koben ...

The Quest To Find Raxxla

I could explain that email as the most likely option. It is auto generated and planet is the default response for anything not listed in its database. Though it would not surprise me for fdev to accidentally leak info about a mystery. It's happened before. Don’t think it’s auto generated...

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[Darrack]

It was Cmdr Koben ...

The Quest To Find Raxxla

I could explain that email as the most likely option. It is auto generated and planet is the default response for anything not listed in its database. Though it would not surprise me for fdev to accidentally leak info about a mystery. It's happened before. Don’t think it’s auto generated...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Ive seen that quote before and unless there's a vid to go with it i highly doubt its only findable by a group of players.
Pretty much every commander i know is out there searching on their own when they get free time, would be pretty poor if it could only be accessed as a group activity.

O7

 

[Rochester]

Ive seen that quote before and unless there's a vid to go with it i highly doubt its only findable by a group of players.
Pretty much every commander i know is out there searching on their own when they get free time, would be pretty poor if it could only be accessed as a group activity.

O7

We have to remember as well that pre-launch DB said a lot of things which never came to pass, also they were interested in group based activities being the norm, eg Explorers hiring wingmen etc to escort them etc, all pie in the sky.

Or it relate to the old method of exploration where Cmdrs scanned dark systems, maybe that would identify something as more and more Cmdrs filled in the gaps?

If that statement was accurate, it might tie in with the old PF/DW missions which did require you to be Elite, to get the permit for Shinrarta Dezhra, obviously Founders/backers got it too, but the original principle was it was gated access, so one could presume that’s what is meant here? If it’s accurate.

I don’t believe it’s context is accurate any more. The only thing that’s gated by Elite status are missions, again many of these were also made available to everyone. So if accurate, then what he was on about no long applies I presume.

I doubt Raxxla is ultimately Elite gated, because firstly there are so many players now hitting that rank very early, someone would have reported it by now and secondly it would mean FD has built some hidden mechanism, which is counterproductive, because if it only applies to 1 element, it’s a wasted resource, they would want us to find it.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Or it relate to the old method of exploration where Cmdrs scanned dark systems, maybe that would identify something as more and more Cmdrs filled in the gaps?

The "dark systems" are basically any unpopulated anarchy systems with a few extra that are abandoned (or nearly so) for varying reasons. It may be helpful to visualize GalMap as follows: for the sake of simplicity in the past maps would often only show the populated systems (and those previously populated - yes that is a thing). Examples of previously populated are places like Jackson's Lighthouse, Placet, and HIP 15310 (if you haven't been this one is worth a trip - out over on western edges of the Bubble) There are also former mining systems which now sit almost completely abandoned. A great example of these is LHS 449. It currently has a population of 19,160 despite numerous huge stations and is now more a den of piracy. System description of LHS 449:

An obscure Federal mining system that was once known as CPD-46 8664.

The home of Aegean Pirates Inc, which was created by ancient seafaring families of the Old World.

 

[yelboc]

Aegean Pirates Inc is a player faction, so some CMDR wrote that text..

Also LHS449 is also called CPD-46 8664 in RL

LHS 449

simbad.u-strasbg.fr

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Aegean Pirates Inc is a player faction, so some CMDR wrote that text..

Also LHS449 is also called CPD-46 8664 in RL

LHS 449

simbad.u-strasbg.fr

I believe in a prior game the system was listed as CPD-46 8664 but would have to consult some of the map tools players have made over the years. That said, I am certain the 2nd half is player-generated but the first sentence less so.

Regardless, the point is abandoned and dark have considerable gray areas. Another example of an "abandoned" station is Black Mausoleum in Beta Hydri which was left off the treaty per Wanted and Elite Encounters RPG. Does it look abandoned? Not exactly. Similarly, Ortiz Moreno City in Tau Ceti is the "destroyed" (and apparently subsequently repaired) station mentioned in the last paragraph of the Brewer Corporation codex entry. Language is social construct. The Federation may well consider LHS 449 for all practical purposes officially abandoned (it is technically still a Federal system). However, the reality is rarely that simple. Reality is rarely black or white. Learn to navigate the crossroads between no longer, now, and not yet.

 

[yelboc]

Yes, the first line is one of a group whose names were changed by FD and that type of 'formally know as' text was added to a number systems as a kind of clarification, so that system would have been called CPD at sometime in Elite Dangerous

I'm not sure when and why they did this, but I'm sure others can tell..

I wouldn't add PF systems to my list of Abandoned. They have just been selected by players when applying for a faction.

 

[Darrack]

We have to remember as well that pre-launch DB said a lot of things which never came to pass, also they were interested in group based activities being the norm, eg Explorers hiring wingmen etc to escort them etc, all pie in the sky.

Or it relate to the old method of exploration where Cmdrs scanned dark systems, maybe that would identify something as more and more Cmdrs filled in the gaps?

If that statement was accurate, it might tie in with the old PF/DW missions which did require you to be Elite, to get the permit for Shinrarta Dezhra, obviously Founders/backers got it too, but the original principle was it was gated access, so one could presume that’s what is meant here? If it’s accurate.

I don’t believe it’s context is accurate any more. The only thing that’s gated by Elite status are missions, again many of these were also made available to everyone. So if accurate, then what he was on about no long applies I presume.

I doubt Raxxla is ultimately Elite gated, because firstly there are so many players now hitting that rank very early, someone would have reported it by now and secondly it would mean FD has built some hidden mechanism, which is counterproductive, because if it only applies to 1 element, it’s a wasted resource, they would want us to find it.

I have no issue with Raxxla being Elite gated, i had a blast working towards my goal of triple Elite, the thing is that's easily obtainable by a solo commander, the point i would have an issue with is having to search in a group.
I take your point about the pre-launch stuff and lots of things change, im sure Fdev realise that Elite is now just as much of a single playr game as it is a multiplayer game.

O7

 

[yelboc]

Here are some others with that sort of text:

Alrai -was Gamma Cephei
Athena -was Delta Velorum
Denebola -was Beta Leonis
Liaedin -was Delta Aquilae
Omicron-2 Eridani -was Keid

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

If you want certainty, I am absolutely the wrong person to be speaking to regarding that. Reality is ugly. Humans on the whole don't follow logic and language reflects that. I merely am one ones who figures the ambiguity might actually be useful. Besides, the lore in Elite Dangerous is not the happy go-lucky type where everything is obvious and handed to you on a platter. This is kind of game where if you want treasure, you damn well need to put in the effort.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Here are some others with that sort of text:

Alrai -was Gamma Cephei
Athena -was Delta Velorum
Denebola -was Beta Leonis
Liaedin -was Delta Aquilae
Omicron-2 Eridani -was Keid

Gateway was Oltiqu. It is on a tourist beacon in the system. It may have also been referred to as Hope as the planet Hope is there. GalCop had a thing for references based on planets or stations.

 

[yelboc]

Well, its kind of worse that that , in that the lore is muddied by player written content that is not curated or integrated with the body of lore that already existed. You see this in Galnets, for instance, many of which were player submissions.

Add that to the fact that the lore at launch was largely frozen, and then a whole new bunch of people picked up the story line with a new agenda, and cohesion is not to be expected.

All we can hope for in the context of this thread is that the lore and game mechanics at launch contained enough to expose the location of our target , and that subsequent changes have not obliterated information, or removed mechanics, or provided contradictory information. My confidence is not high that this is the case.

Add finally the current lore-master's comments that 'the payback for Raxxla would have to be pretty big' and read his face as he says it, and I'm in a mind to conclude either that:

• The whole concept of Raxxla has be re-worked to fit into the current narrative - in which case we're unlikely to see it or have any route to it until the whole Thargoid story is done or:
• Raxxla is something that they felt they couldn't do justice to and is in the 'too hard to fix' box.

 

[yelboc]

Gateway was Oltiqu. It is on a tourist beacon in the system. It may have also been referred to as Hope as the planet Hope is there. GalCop had a thing for references based on planets or stations.

TB:0124 Gateway

The Sirius Corporation operated under its own strict laws, governing workers rights, privileges etc., and also put in place conventions whereby in dealings with customers for large projects it voluntarily operated under a special hybrid of local law and Sirius law - where the strictest provision was deemed to be in place. This became known as 'The Sirius Convention' - and was often applied in treaties between independent systems. / The Sirius Corporation developed a strong reputation for fair dealing too. It would never refer to rival jurisdictions or deal terms in a negotiation with a government, and would keep such negotiations strictly to the scope of the deal - not using any of the many levers less scrupulous organisations would frequently call upon. Such delas were said to be conducted 'under the Sirius Rule' - another term that effectively entered the language, much like the 'Chatham House Rule' a millennium earlier.

Where does it mention Oltiqu ??

-scrub that - found the ref - in my copy of the sheet it is TB0132 which is for Akwada (possibly my sheet is playing up..)

Gateway was originally known as Oltiqu, but renamed when the Alliance was founded in 3230. The system had originally been under Federation jurisdiction after being colonised in 2473 to be used as a military staging area for a further invasion of Alioth. Over time, the military bases became more permanent colonies and settlements. The system achievend full federal membership in 2561, but remained relatively unimportant and in the shadow of Alioth for many centuries. / When Alioth finally achieved independence in 3230, Oltiqu might have been a place where the Federation forces could rally and return. However a coordinated peaceful coup by sympathetic federal officials allowed the system to be united under the banner of the Alliance.

For my mind Galcop --> Alliance that the one is based on the ashes of the other, but thats just my speculation.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

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