This strongly reminds me of the whole Landscape Signal business (also my first contribution to Canonn history, woooo!):
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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This strongly reminds me of the whole Landscape Signal business (also my first contribution to Canonn history, woooo!):
Isinor is near Lave (nearly straight vertical by only a few lightyears). The Chapter of Isinor megaship "Chariot of the Faithful" is in HR 4803. Isinor in TDW novella was responsible for traffic flowing through 11 LY area or so near Ryder home system. The faction controls starports in LTT 4789 and have several surface ports in Hreintania, Kokoto, NLTT 34960, and Arapi.
Most of us don't, this isn't a storyline, its something specifically put in game for us to solve and find, its supposed to be difficult and take years.
I am still of the opinion that Fdev hold the keys, once certain things have been discovered they will unlock access and to be fair it maybe one of those things we may be happy never to find.
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That's misinformation, sadly, it's been investigated many times and it's just rumour and hearsay. Discard that from any thought processes because no-one knows who said it or when. There's some indication it was said at a Lavecon or something, but again, no proof.
Awesome! Thanks for taking the time to replyLoved the read and your comments and made me stop and think
So picking up on some of your thoughts and questions and here's some of mine in exchange
I believe the Codex is basically a clue, intended as a story with hints - not 100% factual in every detail, it needs to be read and interpreted as any narrative should be. The whole section on Lyta Crane is, essentially, an unreliable narrator's comments on what she believes.
I think it's likely true that the Dark Wheel was named so due to a station, but nothing says the station is still where it was, or it's still the same as it was. If so you're looking for a 1000 year old station! I think it's incredibly likely that it's simply been moved and/or upgraded over the centuries ... say it's now Jameson Memorial, for example, (or inside it, since a 1000 year old station would surely be teeny tiny compared to a modern starport!).
The fact that there is a beacon mentioning the Dark Wheel around the 8th moon of a Gas Giant in Shinrarta is pretty conclusively close to the Codex - close enough for me to link the two. And who knows there may be a dark station there too that we simply can't see.
This was answered earlier, so I'll just say that I think that general pattern is what a new player (even now) experiences, and I think it's structurally close enough to the method we know from the lore that it's probably what "being recruited by the Dark Wheel" means in the context of what the game can actually do.
That's a good point! I read the Codex entries as basically the same as all the myths IRL, they're a lot of hearsay and conjecture (Codex even references three such myths). Since this is a game and not real life though, I also assume there is a 'hidden truth' that's informing the Codex entries. Much like the Dark Wheel Codex I assume that the Toast is a clue or code, but it won't lead to Raxxla, simply to a 'next step'.
In the Lore we know for a fact that someone/someones/something has already found Raxxla and has apparently been using it for a long time. We're told basically the same thing in the Codex and original The Dark Wheel novella. I think that's one of the bits that's literally reporting the truth of the matter, Raxxla isn't a stargate sitting on a moon waiting for us to find. It'll be guarded and protected by someone/something that's actively stopping anyone else taking it over.
As I mentioned, I suspect that the problem with Raxxla isn't so much finding it as getting to it or using it (whatever that means) because of who/what is in control of it.
Awesome5. LFT 509 is permit locked by the PF, but so it Bellica, Alpha Hydri, Ross 354, Mingfu, Witch's Reach, and I'm sure many more... other than a galmap bug relating to star catalogue names I'm not seeing what makes LFT 509 more interesting than any of those others?
It may not be more interesting than any of the others but it's probably the most weird out of the bunch?
a) Missions you can't do...
b) Popping up as weird Thargoid attacks being around some of those you've listed and LFT 509...
c)The 8th Moon of a gas giant being a possibility based on the system information bought in game from carriers when FD hadn't blocked it...
d) That weird galaxy map bug... or is it...
e) Permit being reported as available by FD support? - "So it should be possible to obtain a system permit for LFT 509, but the permit holder and requisites are unknown" - Which kinda doesn't match what it says in game for the permits...
Or it's just a normal system in Elite Dangerous with some buggy code, bad support people, bad devs wasting time/money on developing missions customers can't enjoy, etc, etc... ;-)
Just some thoughts
It may well be important I think this is the case too. I also think they have a timer running (metaphorically) and if we haven't 'unlocked' it at certain points they drop more hints to help (like the Codex entries, which realistically they didn't need to add at all), eventually if we haven't cracked it then they'll most likely drop bigger hints until it's solved. I think originally they'd intended that to happen at the 10-year mark (which matches Odysseus' journey in getting back home as I think is referenced in the DW Toast, and Brookes said there was a "ten year plan" for Elite, and this latest expansion being called "Odyssey" which will still be the title in the original 'year ten'). I suspect that's changed now due to Fdev issues and the pandemic altering things a lot - but it's likely still kicking around somewhere back there.
A very good point especially given the gods of agriculture, wisdom, and war share a very interesting commonality: they are the Chthonic deities. Dreams come true, but sometimes those dreams are nightmares...
I for one agree that caution may, in fact, be warranted. Holdstock had some very dark books.
On slightly related note: Allen Stroud wrote the lore for Chaos Reborn. You should probably read it ...
ChaosReborn_Loremasters_Guide.pdf
drive.google.com
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may i ask why this reminds you of that? what happened
i swear to god if dw == shinrarta dezra i will (apparently i cannot say it but it has something to do with the bathroom) in a box and personally deliver it to whoever was responsable for that decision
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Not necessarily so, there could be any number of solutions to this hypothetical question:
It may have been originally intentionally narratively locked, part of the 10 year story arc. If so restrictions would be a necessity, simply to protect the IP and the investment spent on developing said content.
However I agree it certainly would be a missed opportunity not to capitalise on such hype…unless it was due to an absence of imagination or resources, sadly this is far more common in business than most would be led to believe…
It’s equally possible that it ‘wasn’t’ originally intended to be such a big deal. Its quite possible it may have originated from a side project, or Easter egg.
Such a project might have generated too much unwanted attention, or it may have conflicted with the narrative or certain persons personal goals.
It might have unduly focused attention on persons (Holdstock) not involved with the games current IP, or maybe resources were overstretched and became impossible to maintain or even complete; any number of variables could have contributed towards an intentionally quashing of the original idea.
I think sadly the latter is more likely, and probably more preferable than option 1.
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Well, so far we lack the station with proof of their authenticity. That said, it is more convincing that Lori Jameson is based in Shinrarta Dezra. Though, it also means the part about Ryders always leading the organization is complete rubbish. However, given the Ryders were added to the organization by Raffe Zetter it kind of goes without saying they weren't first. Nevermind that we also have a Ryder that is an Engineer (Liz Ryder in Eurybia). The same can be said for Mic Turner's son Bill Turner in Alioth. Which is why I kind of always thought Farseer was lying. She hasn't met them!?! No, you are part of The Dark Wheel. You don't see anyone shutting down Shinrarta Dezra or the Engineers because they are the key families that make up the organization.
What was that I said about nightmares are dreams, too?
Oh wait, I cannot go to Hell because Peter Jameson has that restraining order on me - for fear I plan on a bit revitalizing TDW's tarnished image. That and if there ever comes proof he's a Construct, I am taking him down personally.
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Hehe, not a fan of that idea then? How come?
A wild goose chase caused by a miscommunication with FDev support - thankfully, even if it did happen it'd be several degrees of magnitude smaller.
As a former member of Children of Raxxla, I kind of have a personal vendetta against anyone who was directly involved in cover-ups of the past especially if there may have been larger efforts to hide the true nature of what we call Thargoids (especially if it was done maliciously). Alex Ryder knew about the Oresrians so why the radio silence? Did we unknowingly pick the wrong side to reverse-engineer our technology from? Did that very act of reverse-engineering probably a millennia earlier than we were told set us up for permanent warfare? You'll note we use holographic displays nearly everywhere. Did we set ourselves up for a permanent war with the still very alive traditional-branch Guardians who wants us hunted to extinction? Did finding Raxxla seal our fate as a species?
The only way we get our of this is the reality being widely known. The past is not destiny, but deluding ourselves is certain death
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There is also a Jackie Turner as a mission-giver on the lower concourse at Jameson Memorial.
Felicity Farseer has probably serviced ships from The Dark Wheel and her saying that she's never met them is, at best, propaganda by The Dark Wheel - who probably had some influence on the writing of the Codex articles on themselves and Raxxla. Pinch of salt required.
Not at all!
Consider an example where the Omphalos Rift is disguised as an asteroid in a planetary ring, or a solitary cargo container in a debris field, or an asteroid belt (not saying it is. Just these are feasible ways of hiding Raxxla). That trigger object could be gently orbiting any planet in any system and it would be very difficult to find. There is absolutely no reason for any system permit lock. The Omphalos could be hidden in this way inSol, Tau Ceti, etc etc.
MB had a mischievous sense of humour...I think the Rift could be hidden in plain sight in a heavily visited system (for those with eyes to see)
I spent quite a while trying to wake follow NPC into Witches Reach...it can't be done, you need the permit.So who's jumping to LFT 509, Hrimfaxi, Blackwell City edition.
Seems like the same pattern, although it seemed to be less frequent jumps to LFT 509.
Wrt wasting time on the permit; every time I startup ED, it's essentially a massive waste of time. I just do it for fun. Besides, I needed Datamined Wake Solutions anyway
Scanning wakes with Tanaga
The usual way - Missions for the permit giver in adjacent system (which is within12ly). There is/was a thread on permits though I've reorganised mybokmarks & can't find the link to the table of permitted systems/factions/permiitgivers. Try a forum search
Probably too obvious, but did anyone search for systems/cosmic objects with precious stone name? I see Diamond, Emerald, Ruby on galmap.
Defo but there's mixed opinions on this, I'm not sure 'The Jewel' is actually a jewel.
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The ‘jewel’ reference is a metaphor, in Galnet it’s that Sol is the jewel of the galaxy. In Milton our pendant globe (universe) was described as being like a jewel because it hung like a pendant jewel and shone like a star of low magnitude in comparison to the brilliance of heaven from which it hung.
Eg basically something ‘shiny’ or something ‘hanging down’ or something ‘new or insubstantial’.
Eg basically something ‘shiny’ or something ‘hanging down’ or something ‘new or insubstantial’.