Might use it as the name for my next ship!
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Random find of the day.
Was undertaking some triangulation.
Demeter (parents grief?); to Eulexia (gift of reading), home to Eurydice (lovers woe?); to Nefertem (creation of the first day), home of Thetis generation ship (sea goddess (the signal Siren / Whisper, Thetis - parents grief?).
Calculated the midpoint of this weird triangle for fun, it being right under Sheela na gig, and Danu. And found the system Avici, Sanskrit meaning âwithout wavesâ and the lowest level of the Hindu version of hell or purgatory Naraka, both are in game.
Avici is slap bang in the midpoint zone identified above whereas Naraka is way up, at what might be the ceiling of my hypothetical Empyrean, Iâm no theologian, but this doesnât mix well with all the other deities in that zone, which denote the âhighestâ points⊠not Hindu either but my small understanding was Naraka was situated âbeneath the earthâ between the underworld and the bottom of the universe!
Sounds interesting if intentionally placed?
In comparison Iâve seen other references in game which, might align with Danteâs Inferno, and these all might be connected (?) into a larger construct, but the foil is stretched thin in this area and technically is âbackcastingâ and my intuition tells me itâs a âfoolâs errandâ identifying a potential âobvious narrative outcomeâ, or I wonder if Brookes attempted to align Miltonâs universe with Danteâs, which although albeit similar, technically they are not; that or itâs just another Easter egg, or does this identify an anomaly in the game?
Weâve established the positioning of various real life systems might be in error, and if one was not correctly GIS trained such an endeavour I presume might naturally result in such irregularities, remember / if true this was built over 10 years ago, probably via spreadsheet, likewise there is no known in game mechanism to identify these alignments, except our own perception and wider understanding, so very likely they were not intentional?
Avici falls upon my hypothetical border of Miltonâs Chaos.
How very odd.
Was undertaking some triangulation.
Demeter (parents grief?); to Eulexia (gift of reading), home to Eurydice (lovers woe?); to Nefertem (creation of the first day), home of Thetis generation ship (sea goddess (the signal Siren / Whisper, Thetis - parents grief?).
Calculated the midpoint of this weird triangle for fun, it being right under Sheela na gig, and Danu. And found the system Avici, Sanskrit meaning âwithout wavesâ and the lowest level of the Hindu version of hell or purgatory Naraka, both are in game.
Avici is slap bang in the midpoint zone identified above whereas Naraka is way up, at what might be the ceiling of my hypothetical Empyrean, Iâm no theologian, but this doesnât mix well with all the other deities in that zone, which denote the âhighestâ points⊠not Hindu either but my small understanding was Naraka was situated âbeneath the earthâ between the underworld and the bottom of the universe!
Sounds interesting if intentionally placed?
In comparison Iâve seen other references in game which, might align with Danteâs Inferno, and these all might be connected (?) into a larger construct, but the foil is stretched thin in this area and technically is âbackcastingâ and my intuition tells me itâs a âfoolâs errandâ identifying a potential âobvious narrative outcomeâ, or I wonder if Brookes attempted to align Miltonâs universe with Danteâs, which although albeit similar, technically they are not; that or itâs just another Easter egg, or does this identify an anomaly in the game?
Weâve established the positioning of various real life systems might be in error, and if one was not correctly GIS trained such an endeavour I presume might naturally result in such irregularities, remember / if true this was built over 10 years ago, probably via spreadsheet, likewise there is no known in game mechanism to identify these alignments, except our own perception and wider understanding, so very likely they were not intentional?
Avici falls upon my hypothetical border of Miltonâs Chaos.
How very odd.
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Random thought.
NPCs are persistent, you can follow them, and will re-occur over time, Iâve tested this and itâs consistent.
What if part of the journey is to find a certain NPC and follow them?
Thinking of Elite Legacy, I think itâs possible, I presume that Darik Cavus (oak hearted / cave) was in fact Dark Wheel, this primarily is based upon him protecting his daughter Julia Cavus (Joves child / cave) from engaging in exploration and looking for Raxxla, not less his familyâs nefarious business. Then we have that indication from the Codex that some members actively try to keep their children out of the Dark Wheel.
When asked if Julia was still in Artemis, Brookes vaguely alluded she might not be⊠and this might align with the book, where her grand father Rex identifies that she will eventually leave Freeholm looking for him, and that he had other family to find himself!
âThat depends on whether Julia is still there
â M Brookes.
Post in thread 'Elite: Legacy'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-legacy.50320/post-2677329
Do we simply need to find an appropriately named NPC and follow them? Part of me imagines some crashed ship or Hammers pod which has a text log entitled âa childrens storyâ.
Logically another method is via the âtip-offâ missions. Thereâs no discernible method to find crashed ships, without some mission indicator, unless randomly; I still hold out the Cosmological Model has some relevance, which âmightâ advocate certain systems have relevance over others, or itâs hidden in the text of Brookes Legacy?
These are fixed locations and a tip-off will occur in any system where you obtain significant positive allied status - they are certainly in my opinion ânotâ linked to the Dark Wheel, but nevertheless, if you âwantâ players to find something you have to induct them into some mission or direction. To simply scatter âcluesâ into the void arbitrarily is frankly inane.
If the Codex is the only thread, then surely the objective can be resolved through identifying certain systems, which resolve to a certain fulcrum. If not what mechanism might be applicable which might direct those not so âenlightenedâ?
Where oh where is Julia Cavus?
Did she find the beautiful mountain alluded to by Hammer via the mysterious Beaumont and remember Juliaâs farther would have described Hammer as - a âmountain manâ like the old gods of Earth. Or was it the cave or hollow to the Otherworld this Darik Cavusa, another form of âbarrowâ, or Hammers grave, likewise; or just the dark Wheel station?
NPCs are persistent, you can follow them, and will re-occur over time, Iâve tested this and itâs consistent.
What if part of the journey is to find a certain NPC and follow them?
Thinking of Elite Legacy, I think itâs possible, I presume that Darik Cavus (oak hearted / cave) was in fact Dark Wheel, this primarily is based upon him protecting his daughter Julia Cavus (Joves child / cave) from engaging in exploration and looking for Raxxla, not less his familyâs nefarious business. Then we have that indication from the Codex that some members actively try to keep their children out of the Dark Wheel.
When asked if Julia was still in Artemis, Brookes vaguely alluded she might not be⊠and this might align with the book, where her grand father Rex identifies that she will eventually leave Freeholm looking for him, and that he had other family to find himself!
âThat depends on whether Julia is still there
â M Brookes.Post in thread 'Elite: Legacy'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-legacy.50320/post-2677329
Do we simply need to find an appropriately named NPC and follow them? Part of me imagines some crashed ship or Hammers pod which has a text log entitled âa childrens storyâ.
Logically another method is via the âtip-offâ missions. Thereâs no discernible method to find crashed ships, without some mission indicator, unless randomly; I still hold out the Cosmological Model has some relevance, which âmightâ advocate certain systems have relevance over others, or itâs hidden in the text of Brookes Legacy?
These are fixed locations and a tip-off will occur in any system where you obtain significant positive allied status - they are certainly in my opinion ânotâ linked to the Dark Wheel, but nevertheless, if you âwantâ players to find something you have to induct them into some mission or direction. To simply scatter âcluesâ into the void arbitrarily is frankly inane.
If the Codex is the only thread, then surely the objective can be resolved through identifying certain systems, which resolve to a certain fulcrum. If not what mechanism might be applicable which might direct those not so âenlightenedâ?
Where oh where is Julia Cavus?
Did she find the beautiful mountain alluded to by Hammer via the mysterious Beaumont and remember Juliaâs farther would have described Hammer as - a âmountain manâ like the old gods of Earth. Or was it the cave or hollow to the Otherworld this Darik Cavusa, another form of âbarrowâ, or Hammers grave, likewise; or just the dark Wheel station?
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Tracked 2 Dark Wheel ships jumping from Jameson Memorial (no interesting names); lost first ship after 3rd jump; lost second ship after jump 5 after I lost patience and exited the game.Random thought.
NPCs are persistent, you can follow them, and will re-occur over time, Iâve tested this and itâs consistent.
What if part of the journey is to find a certain NPC and follow them?
Thinking of Elite Legacy, I think itâs possible, I presume that Darik Cavus (oak hearted / cave) was in fact Dark Wheel, this primarily is based upon him protecting his daughter Julia Cavus (Joves child / cave) from engaging in exploration and looking for Raxxla, not less his familyâs nefarious business. Then we have that indication from the Codex that some members actively try to keep their children out of the Dark Wheel.
When asked if Julia was still in Artemis, Brookes vaguely alluded she might not be⊠and this might align with the book, where her grand father Rex identifies that she will eventually leave Freeholm looking for him, and that he had other family to find himself!
âThat depends on whether Julia is still there
Post in thread 'Elite: Legacy'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-legacy.50320/post-2677329
Do we simply need to find an appropriately named NPC and follow them? Part of me imagines some crashed ship or Hammers pod which has a text log entitled âa childrens storyâ.
Logically another method is via the âtip-offâ missions. Thereâs no discernible method to find crashed ships, without some mission indicator, unless randomly; I still hold out the Cosmological Model has some relevance, which âmightâ advocate certain systems have relevance over others, or itâs hidden in the text of Brookes Legacy?
These are fixed locations and a tip-off will occur in any system where you obtain significant positive allied status - they are certainly in my opinion ânotâ linked to the Dark Wheel, but nevertheless, if you âwantâ players to find something you have to induct them into some mission or direction. To simply scatter âcluesâ into the void arbitrarily is frankly inane.
If the Codex is the only thread, then surely the objective can be resolved through identifying certain systems, which resolve to a certain fulcrum. If not what mechanism might be applicable which might direct those not so âenlightenedâ?
Where oh where is Julia Cavus?
Did she find the beautiful mountain, the cave to the Otherworld, or the dark Wheel station?
One note: Surprisingly few Dark Wheel ships observed at Jameson Memorial.
On a positive note: Got a lot of scan data
This is exactly where my mindâs trajectory was aligning.
The various allusions in the text, might be references to the Norse/Celt/Saxon mythology of transportation to the Otherworld via burial.
The existence of the Lost Realms zone in game has a relevance not simply as a fulcrum, but that as a Holdstock Easter egg. In my opinion the mystery of Raxxla is certainly a homage to Holdstock and the game authors have shaped their narrative utilising various concepts promoted by Robert Holdstock (RH).
In R Holdstocks book Lost Realms he not only talks of these realms as examples of Eden but likewise of the Otherworld and of Mountains, Caves and Barrows as liminal locations to travel there.
I believe M Brookes book Legacy, if not doing so utilising some other method, might be referencing this indirectly via the names and descriptions in that text.
Julia Cavus - Joves child of the cave / hollow. Wants to be an explorer and find Raxxla, but canât due to her responsibilities and her fatherâs wishes, he who tried so hard to keep her safe!
Eventually she discovers her grandfather Darik Cavus - Oak hearted, cave / hollow who yes identifies that she will eventually come looking for him, and remember how he says he has other family out there!
Hammer - described by Juliaâs recollection used by her farther - as an old god of the northern mountains. Probably Thor, and confirmed by Brookes as a portrait of himself; talks of the mysterious Beaumont insurrection, the beautiful mountain which if we accept his direction indicators is below Achenar a zone occupied by the Lost Realms, and which intersects the Brookes Tours, which likewise honours the book Elite Legacy by reminding us of Hammers Celtic/Norse burial.
One suspicion then is the book is telling us to look below Achenar for some reference to Mountains, Barrows or Caves. The Codex was written much later, seems to emphasis this location by identifying the existence of these Lost Realms, this conglomeration or âobfuscationâ of Edens,
Legacy potential clues
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10375721
Remember much of my hypothesis concerning Milton is solely a logical projection of back-casting and spacial relationship awareness of in game systems. It may be true but does it point to Raxxla or is it architectural archeology, because for Raxxla to exist in game it must possess a cognitive location and have relevance within the wider game map, it canât be arbitrary.
If the Codex is to be interpreted correctly, it in my opinion talks of three areas, that of the upper realm, set by the toast, which I believe is a reflection of the Miltonian text concerning the âpendant globeâ; itâs also possibly due to the reference of Demeter, which falls very close to the system Fall and therefore might identify the Empyrean; but more so it identifies the return of Kore from her underworld zone; later it identifies a zone of influence set by Tau Ceti and the date 2296 which just so happens to intersect the underground zone too; it then identifies the Lost Realms which exist upon that same boundary, and likewise potentially M Brookes book (maybe), which itself I believe identifies these same two locations! So then is Brookes also telling us to look for something linked to a liminal location?
Does this Beaumont insurrection identify a particular path, or does it lead directly to the objective?
The Rogue Cartographies of Robert Holdstockâs Mythago Wood Cycle
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10263892
The talk of caves or hollows, has made me think again about âwhatâ the term Omphalos Rift might actually mean!
An omphalos may be a stone marker, or egg shaped conical object, a protruding hub or raised central area, such as that of a wheel, shield or vessel, it also stands as a descriptive term for a protruding navel (outie) as a raised hill or geographic mound.
The location of Crete can be identified as the city of the navel, and similarly the location in Danteâs Inferno is a mountain.
So, one projection is maybe, given the potential clues in game and Brookes book, we may be looking for a âmountain riftâ.
RH identifies the lineage of the Celts as originating from Switzerland and talks of the sacred mountain and caves of, Hallstatt as being a proto-gateway.
Note Hallstatt is a village on the shore of âLake Hallstattâ in Austria's Hoher Dachstein, Holdstock may have been referring to the Hallstatt culture.
This other Cmdrs have postulated too, and in the absence of any other information Iâm thinking this could hold potential.
This may have relevance given the Celtic focus upon liminal locations in that such a rift or valley might also be a passage to an Otherworld.
So is it, rather than looking for a mountain or peak, could it be that we ought to be looking for a valley or someplace between mountains?
Itâs possible that the book and or Codex might not actually point to any specific singular system, what if they only indicate a general area, eg the Lost Realms?
Rift valley - Wikipedia
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Correct me here if I am wrong here, but wasn't there a zone of lakes and sunken treasures? Is one of them linked to Diana (the Empire would have used the Roman equivalent of Artemis which is Diana). Calligula built ships to Isis there that sunk. I think we are looking for something related to Diana Nemorensis.
Side note: The system Isis uses Roman numerals to designate the planets. It is a small detail but may be important given the Isis connection to both Diana Nemorensis and Rex Nemorensis.
Diana Nemorensis - Wikipedia
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A further rumination on Satan's female followers (aka Princess Astro Fell):
Astarte (aka Ashtaroth, Astoret, Astarit, Inanna, Ishtar, Istar, Ishara, Ashtart, Astart, Athart, Attar) & Isis (aka Aset, rusat, usa, else, esa, wusa)......Astarte is thought to have informed the development of the Greek goddess Aphrodite and has been associated with the deified morning and/or evening star (c.f. Lucifer!)..... Ishtar's symbol is a star with 6, 8, or 16 rays within a circle (6 featured in Raxxla logo?).....Isis became linked to the Greek lunar goddess Artemis (highlighted in Elite Legacy)??
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Astarte (aka Ashtaroth, Astoret, Astarit, Inanna, Ishtar, Istar, Ishara, Ashtart, Astart, Athart, Attar) & Isis (aka Aset, rusat, usa, else, esa, wusa)......Astarte is thought to have informed the development of the Greek goddess Aphrodite and has been associated with the deified morning and/or evening star (c.f. Lucifer!)..... Ishtar's symbol is a star with 6, 8, or 16 rays within a circle (6 featured in Raxxla logo?).....Isis became linked to the Greek lunar goddess Artemis (highlighted in Elite Legacy)??
Astarte - Wikipedia
Ishtar | Goddess, Worship, & Facts
Ishtar, in Mesopotamian religion, goddess of war and sexual love. Ishtarâs primary legacy from the Sumerian tradition is the role of fertility figure; she evolved, however, into a more complex character, surrounded in myth by death and disaster, a goddess of contradictory connotations and forces.
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Elite Legacy - could Julia be "Princess Astrophel" and the"Spiralling Stars" be the asteroid belt?
Does her father (or anyone else) refer to her as "princess" in the book?
Does her father (or anyone else) refer to her as "princess" in the book?
I have the text as a digital book. No sadly. The only use of the word Princess in that book is singular:
âI had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young manâs quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldnât have got it from anywhere elseâ. âI still have that book.â.
But as M Brookes might have indicated, was Julia still in Freeholm? If not whereâs her book? With her, or did she place it in Hammers grave?
âI had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young manâs quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldnât have got it from anywhere elseâ. âI still have that book.â.
But as M Brookes might have indicated, was Julia still in Freeholm? If not whereâs her book? With her, or did she place it in Hammers grave?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmachakra
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to many similarities to dismiss just yet but please read for your eyes to see ;-) could Raxxla be "Kharma based depending on your in game actions
Bhavacakra - Wikipedia
to many similarities to dismiss just yet but please read for your eyes to see ;-) could Raxxla be "Kharma based depending on your in game actions
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The concept of a morality compass in game is interesting however it is hindered by FD inability to communicate what the game actually is.
I personally believe this is because initially the game pre-launch was âone thingâ but it went through periods of adaptation, and changed.
We know this for certain because DB said it some years ago, they got it wrong, they wanted players to do and act a certain way, so instead of âcommunicatingâ where the toys were, FD adapted the game to satisfy the audiences needs.
Initially one did not have to spend oneâs time in game killing things. There were alternatives, but over time the prevalence of ânefariousâ missions has expanded exponentially. To the point that the games own perception of morality is obfuscated.
Some think the term âdangerousâ means the game is about risk. It is not, DB described that very elegantly pre-launch.
But yes, morally direction was and is still a factor in game, you donât have to assassinate that President, you donât have to smuggle those guns⊠however the game ânowâ makes it very difficult not to. Because various toys are locked behind these actions, where as nice actions arenât.
If such a mechanism was in place it would be an elegant solution. But sadly itâs not one FD are openly promoting. This is a firm which promoted âdiplomaticâ missions for EDO but never put them in, this is a game which although it allowed us to save NPCs in stations never really advertised it was a good thing to do, nor profitable nor something which had a positive outcome.
I like the idea, and I have been flying by such a morality compass since launch. It does make the game far more interesting but less âexcitingâ, and I still have not seen any mechanism which rewards such action, partly I feel because we all move around the galaxy so much - which as DB pointed out, we simply are not meeting and getting to know those smaller factions, I feel that period or that mechanism is now obfuscated to the point that if it ever were in game it now certainly is no longer noticeable.
We know FD changes the game, I suspect this mechanism was intended at launch but like so many other aspects got nerfed or buried. If that was the way then FD ought to be promoting it, they arenât, they are going beyond to promote aggression, which is illogical if you have such a mechanism as you would be actively obscuring it.
I personally believe this is because initially the game pre-launch was âone thingâ but it went through periods of adaptation, and changed.
We know this for certain because DB said it some years ago, they got it wrong, they wanted players to do and act a certain way, so instead of âcommunicatingâ where the toys were, FD adapted the game to satisfy the audiences needs.
Initially one did not have to spend oneâs time in game killing things. There were alternatives, but over time the prevalence of ânefariousâ missions has expanded exponentially. To the point that the games own perception of morality is obfuscated.
Some think the term âdangerousâ means the game is about risk. It is not, DB described that very elegantly pre-launch.
But yes, morally direction was and is still a factor in game, you donât have to assassinate that President, you donât have to smuggle those guns⊠however the game ânowâ makes it very difficult not to. Because various toys are locked behind these actions, where as nice actions arenât.
If such a mechanism was in place it would be an elegant solution. But sadly itâs not one FD are openly promoting. This is a firm which promoted âdiplomaticâ missions for EDO but never put them in, this is a game which although it allowed us to save NPCs in stations never really advertised it was a good thing to do, nor profitable nor something which had a positive outcome.
I like the idea, and I have been flying by such a morality compass since launch. It does make the game far more interesting but less âexcitingâ, and I still have not seen any mechanism which rewards such action, partly I feel because we all move around the galaxy so much - which as DB pointed out, we simply are not meeting and getting to know those smaller factions, I feel that period or that mechanism is now obfuscated to the point that if it ever were in game it now certainly is no longer noticeable.
We know FD changes the game, I suspect this mechanism was intended at launch but like so many other aspects got nerfed or buried. If that was the way then FD ought to be promoting it, they arenât, they are going beyond to promote aggression, which is illogical if you have such a mechanism as you would be actively obscuring it.
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How does Hammer die? I haven't read the book, yet. I have strong suspicions about a system that may be linked based on the character's nickname.
Check VESPER-M4. It is home to Hammers of Slough which are linked to some sort of Demolition Derby.
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If not that, check LHS 1963 which has Federal Hammer Corp.
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Hammer was originally the son of a trader but then moved to being a farmer from some unknown agricultural world. Hammer was not his original name, which was Commander Mark Lamon.
Lamon means various things in different countries, but itâs Old English origins links it to the Norman âLogmadrâ or Scottish/Irish âLamontâ meaning âlaw manâ; the French origin of Lamont means âup hillâ.
He named his ship Hammer too. He was described as a nomad and a crusader. He spent his time baiting pirates, on the rim of the Federation, out of revenge for the death of his farther (trader), but he himself was not a bounty Hunter.
There was a love interest too - Lina Mater (tender mother).
He was described in relation to Norse mythology, as one of those old gods of the mountain. So again a Norse and Mountain reference?
Lamon means various things in different countries, but itâs Old English origins links it to the Norman âLogmadrâ or Scottish/Irish âLamontâ meaning âlaw manâ; the French origin of Lamont means âup hillâ.
He named his ship Hammer too. He was described as a nomad and a crusader. He spent his time baiting pirates, on the rim of the Federation, out of revenge for the death of his farther (trader), but he himself was not a bounty Hunter.
There was a love interest too - Lina Mater (tender mother).
He was described in relation to Norse mythology, as one of those old gods of the mountain. So again a Norse and Mountain reference?
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SkaĂ°i (Norse mountain goddess)
SkaĂ°i (/ËskÉËĂ°i/; Old Norse: [ËskÉĂ°e]; sometimes anglicized as Skadi, Skade, or Skathi)
SkaĂ°i - Wikipedia
At the bottom of that entry is this in "See also":
Which leads us to ... Skaoismont deep in the Pegasi sector (no not suspicious whatsoever)
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Still pondering anagrams.
From Elite Legacy "Julia grew up without toys with a single possession, a book about a young manâs quest to save a princess from an alien dragon"....
"Alien dragon" is an anagram of "Angel Dorian"...
Just found "No longer the innocent in Eden, Dorian is identified with Lucifer, the angel who fell through pride,..."
From Elite Legacy "Julia grew up without toys with a single possession, a book about a young manâs quest to save a princess from an alien dragon"....
"Alien dragon" is an anagram of "Angel Dorian"...
Just found "No longer the innocent in Eden, Dorian is identified with Lucifer, the angel who fell through pride,..."
Chapter 16 Commentary The Picture of Dorian Gray: Advanced
Online study guide for The Picture of Dorian Gray: Advanced, The Text Commentary
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