The Quest To Find Raxxla

[El Saico]

Mmm
"Titan Hadad is vulnerable!"
Hadad is an alias of Rimmon, one of Satan's named followers in Paradise Lost, and Satan is a subanagram of Taranis!
Stayed out of the Thargoids war (thumbs still painful after bashing 1000+ Scouts during Covid lockdown!)...where are the other Titans? Are they all PL-related?
Took me a while to realise that all ships are named after snakes AND this might be a reference to PL when Satan took a serpent form when he tempted Eve ...
From PL Satan's followers were: Satan (Lucifer, tempter, devil, serpent, Baphomet, old nick, Mephistopheles, Evil one), Beelzebub (Beelzebul, Belzebuth,Belzebub, Belzebu), Moloch (Molech, Molek), Chemos (Chemosh), Baal, Astarte (Ashtaroth, Astoret, Astarit, Inanna, Ishtar, Istar, Ishara, Ashtart, Astart, Athart, Attar) , Thammuz, Dagon, Rimmon (Hadad, Had, Hadda), Osiris (User), Isis (Aset, rusat, usa, else, esa, wusa)...a,iases in parentheses!

Astrophel sounds like "astro fell" ("for those with eyes to see" is stated in the codex. BUT the original (biblical IIRC) saying is "for those with eyes to see and ears to hear"), which implies "fallen star". "Princess Astrophell" could therefore mean a female fallen star- Astarte and Isis were the only named female prime followers of Satan in PL, however since Satan ruled in Hell then his daughter Sin could be viewed as a Princess...

All Titans are named after storm deities from varied pantheons: Taranis is Celtic, Indra is Hindu, Leigong is Chinese, Cocijo is Zapotec¹, Oyá is Yoruba, Thor is Nordic, Raijin is Japanese and Hadad is Canaanite².

Great catch on the "eyes to see" having a Biblical origin - it traces all the way back to Deuteronomy (which historians believe to be the oldest book of the Pentateuch) and is repeated multiple times in both Testaments.

¹ A peculiar choice, given that the Aztec Tlaloc and the Mayan Chaac are much better known Mesoamerican counterparts
² Later called Baal-Zephon, or just Baal - which was originally a generic title for "lord"

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Astrophel sounds like "astro fell" ("for those with eyes to see" is stated in the codex. BUT the original (biblical IIRC) saying is "for those with eyes to see and ears to hear"), which implies "fallen star". "Princess Astrophell" could therefore mean a female fallen star- Astarte and Isis were the only named female prime followers of Satan in PL, however since Satan ruled in Hell then his daughter Sin could be viewed as a Princess...

In almost every single epic myth, the new gods are assisted by one of the old ones who turns their back on the old gods in the name of peace . They are tri-form deities having domain over the underworld, the Earthly realm, and the stars. More often than not connected to agriculture (cycle of death and life), wisdom, and warfare. Amongst the Greeks, this was Hecate or Nyx in alternative versions. Gaia defied Cronus to save Zeus (sacrificing the Omphalos in the process). Regardless of culture, it is the same. With the Vikings, their were Aesir and Vanir, who after war inter-marry establishing peace for the future. In any case, the underworld sides with the heavens and someone who cross these realms is instrumental in ultimate victory. It should be noted that Zeus' brother is Hades and his wife was Persephone (goddess of spring and death). Persephone's mentor is Hecate, the Titaness who aids the Olympic Pantheon in trapping the non-compliant Titans in Tartarus in perpetuity.

Elite Dangerous is no different. The role of savior has been played numerous times: Cora (Kore) in the tale of Art Tornquist, Salomé, and more recently Princess Aisling Duval's resisting Emperor Arissa Lavigny-Duval's order of non-cooperation. Aisling Duval fought against this order because she believed in AEGIS.

Perhaps then we are looking for those who walk the fine line between heaven and hell and serve as bridges between the two realms or at least places that offer safe passage between realms.

 

[simulacrae]

Astrophel sounds like "astro fell" ("for those with eyes to see" is stated in the codex. BUT the original (biblical IIRC) saying is "for those with eyes to see and ears to hear"), which implies "fallen star".

What if Astrophel … is Astro Fell - as in starry mountain…. Fell like norse Fjäll…

Psalms 24: 3-5

Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in His holy place?

The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who has not set his mind on what is false, and who has not sworn deceitfully.

He will receive blessing from the Lord,
and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

On his high mountain among the stars, the Far God sits….. waiting

 

[Rochester]

What if Astrophel … is Astro Fell - as in starry mountain…. Fell like norse Fjäll…

Psalms 24: 3-5

Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in His holy place?

The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who has not set his mind on what is false, and who has not sworn deceitfully.

He will receive blessing from the Lord,
and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

On his high mountain among the stars, the Far God sits….. waiting

I like that assumption. I am very adamant that ‘mountains’ are very relevant.

There is the reference in Celtic and Norse myth that one could journey to the ‘Otherworld’ via a mountain.

In Paradise Lost, and Dante’s Inferno Eden was on a mountain.

Dante’s identifies Mount Purgatory was upon the cosmological navel, that of mount Ida in Crete, and in his source Dante places the source of Lethe in the Earthly Paradise atop Mount Purgatory.

Crete was by recollection also the home of the ‘old man of the mountain’, whose tears Dante ascribes were the source of the river Lethe.

Now what interested me initially was that Crete has also been called the ‘city of the navel’ and as well as that, was home to the goddess of mountains and hunting, Britomartis, she who is also sometimes conflated with Artemis!

The Otherworld in the Epic of Gilgamesh was also via a Cedar Mountain, and M Brookes mentioned ‘mountains’ a few times himself ‘just a man waiting for his turn on the mountain’; especially in his book Legacy in regards to the mysteriously named ‘beautiful mountain’ - Beaumont. Could Michael have been telling us to look or journey to a specific mountain or mountains?

And of course we do have a series of systems encircling the Lost Realms and Miltonian model all named or holding bodies referencing‘ Mountains’.

On thing also is how the word Astrophel is pronounced in the Codex audio. It’s not ‘Astro-phell’ but more like ‘Astroful’?

So we could be looking for something not at all linked to Philip Sidney?

 

[El Saico]

I like that assumption. I am very adamant that ‘mountains’ are very relevant.

There is the reference in Celtic and Norse myth that one could journey to the ‘Otherworld’ via a mountain.

In Paradise Lost, and Dante’s Inferno Eden was on a mountain.

Dante’s identifies Mount Purgatory was upon the cosmological navel, that of mount Ida in Crete, and in his source Dante places the source of Lethe in the Earthly Paradise atop Mount Purgatory.

Crete was by recollection also the home of the ‘old man of the mountain’, whose tears Dante ascribes were the source of the river Lethe.

Now what interested me initially was that Crete has also been called the ‘city of the navel’ and as well as that, was home to the goddess of mountains and hunting, Britomartis, she who is also sometimes conflated with Artemis!

The Otherworld in the Epic of Gilgamesh was also via a Cedar Mountain, and M Brookes mentioned ‘mountains’ a few times himself, especially in his book Legacy in regards to the mysteriously named ‘beautiful mountain’ - Beaumont. Could Michael have been telling us to look or journey to a specific mountain or mountains?

And of course we do have a series of systems encircling the Lost Realms and Miltonian model all named or referencing‘ Mountains’.

On thing also is how the word Astrophel is pronounced in the Codex audio. It’s not ‘Astro-phell’ but more like ‘Astroful’?

So we could be looking for something not linked to Philip Sidney?

The Delphic temple was on Mount Parnassus, Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem was originally built on Mount Moriah (later expanded by King Herod into a much larger plateau), Rome claimed the Palatine Hill as its origin point... every purported omphalos has one of these.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

There, above the peaks of the wild Apennines,
Between the steep cliffs a cave appears;
The sirens keep watch over that lighthouse,
The songs tremble and make one delirious.

Translated from the Italian poem Sibilla [it] by Giulio Aristide Sartorio

Okay, I know the Aeneid came up here. Wasn't there something near Rome that parallels the Oracle of Greece. Given the importance of Rome in Elite (the Empire is modelled after Rome) would it not be wise to check the Sibyline Oracle. There were more than just the Pythian Oracle.

The Roman Oracle is settled first by the Greeks.

Folks, we had the wrong Oracle.

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[Jorki Rasalas]

I like that assumption. I am very adamant that ‘mountains’ are very relevant.

There is the reference in Celtic and Norse myth that one could journey to the ‘Otherworld’ via a mountain.

In Paradise Lost, and Dante’s Inferno Eden was on a mountain.

Dante’s identifies Mount Purgatory was upon the cosmological navel, that of mount Ida in Crete, and in his source Dante places the source of Lethe in the Earthly Paradise atop Mount Purgatory.

Crete was by recollection also the home of the ‘old man of the mountain’, whose tears Dante ascribes were the source of the river Lethe.

Now what interested me initially was that Crete has also been called the ‘city of the navel’ and as well as that, was home to the goddess of mountains and hunting, Britomartis, she who is also sometimes conflated with Artemis!

The Otherworld in the Epic of Gilgamesh was also via a Cedar Mountain, and M Brookes mentioned ‘mountains’ a few times himself ‘just a man waiting for his turn on the mountain’; especially in his book Legacy in regards to the mysteriously named ‘beautiful mountain’ - Beaumont. Could Michael have been telling us to look or journey to a specific mountain or mountains?

And of course we do have a series of systems encircling the Lost Realms and Miltonian model all named or holding bodies referencing‘ Mountains’.

On thing also is how the word Astrophel is pronounced in the Codex audio. It’s not ‘Astro-phell’ but more like ‘Astroful’?

So we could be looking for something not at all linked to Philip Sidney?

Never been convinced Philip Sidney was relevant. But good obfuscation by MB!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

What if Astrophel … is Astro Fell - as in starry mountain…. Fell like norse Fjäll…

Psalms 24: 3-5

Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in His holy place?

The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who has not set his mind on what is false, and who has not sworn deceitfully.

He will receive blessing from the Lord,
and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

On his high mountain among the stars, the Far God sits….. waiting

Mmm, but all light emanated from god, who's throne IIRC was on a mountain at the centre of the Empyrean. So, I suspect not the Far God in ED terms (Thargoids!).

Another point-if Satan is the fallen star then the spiralling stars could be his followers falling from the Empyrean into hell.

 

[selbie]

Some amazing insights here. Fallen stars, star mountains, perhaps even the stone cairns that mark the brow of a hill?

If there is relationship to the Far God cult in ED, the Thargoids are said to be heralds of this Far God, not the god-entity itself.
Consider that an angered Zeus threw lightning and stones from the sky as falling stars, and we are in the midst of a "battle of titans", could this be a parallel to the Titanomachy?

Speaking of Titans:
I recall the titan Atlas was punished to hold up the world for eternity. The "world" is often misrepresented as Earth on his shoulders, and he is more accurately holding up the celestial spheres of the cosmos - aka this pendent world.
Zeus condemned Atlas to stand at the western edge of "earth" and hold up the sky - sounds a lot like God casting out Satan from "that side of heaven".
Atlas is supposedly a doublet of Coeus - the celestial axis (omphalos??).
There is also the tale of Atlas who, in one version, was a king who had an orchard of golden apples (like Prester John? King? Gold? and also Avalon?).
Atlas was turned into a mountain by Perseus with his head as the peak (brow?).
Heracles was challenged to fetch the golden apples in Hera's garden tended by the Atlantides (Hesperides) and guarded by the dragon Ladon.

Heracles (the hero) slays Ladon (born from Echidna - a Sin-like human serpent hybrid) guarding a paradise garden (in which Altas was "imprisoned" to hold up the world). This garden was in the far west and so, being the land of Atlas, you could say it was akin to Atlantis (sunken as punishment by the gods).
Jason also heard the lament of Aegle (aka dazzling light) - one of the Hesperides. So you could say this daughter was a "siren" of the "deepest void" (aka Atlantis sunken in the Sea of Atlas).

There is also the opposing Church of the Eternal Void (a reference to PL's Chaos?) who worship the Guardians as saviours from the "demon" thargoids.
If humans are genetic descendants of Guardians, and if the AI Construct "angels" might still be out there, then could the test of TDW be symbolic of an induction into a pantheon of gods? Maybe the Dark Wheel possesses knowledge of the Construct, and this test is how they judge worthiness to access Raxxla?

If the Satan figure is represented as this fallen star imprisoned in Hell, and Hell's Gate is guarded by a form of liminal deity / being much like Sin was depicted in PL like Scylla (part woman and serpent) then this idea of a "threshold" gateway might also point us to a form of crossroads somewhere in the game. A point to access the Otherworld?
As the liminal being wiki mentions, the hybrid nature of liminal beings like the griffin / chiron / centaurs etc make them both a source of wisdom and mentorship, and also dangerous and uncanny.
Do we need to find a crossing of paths? to a place atop a sunken (far below?) mountain? the head of Atlas? with a jewelled cairn marking its peak? Is this where we encounter TDW's test?

 

[Rochester]

Do we need to find a crossing of paths? to a place atop a sunken (far below?) mountain? the head of Atlas? with a jewelled cairn marking its peak? Is this where we encounter TDW's test?

Yes. You’re getting it! That’s the spirit!

I’m loving this conceptual idea of ‘falling Stars’ as Milton’s falling archangels.

‘Fiery the Angels fell’ - ‘If Only You Could See What I´ve Seen With Your Eyes’ is this another reference by M Brookes to Blade Runner!

Note the quote is not linked to Milton, but is a misquote of Blake's poem, however the parallels are not lost, Brookes loved this film (as do I) and one can certainly draw comparisons with Battys journey to ‘heaven’ to meet his maker, of his depiction as the protagonist, as was Satan. The film certainly has wider Germanic concepts linking it to the Otherworld as well.

Source: https://youtu.be/cAIGLuN9k-Y?si=QYIl6p48wGVWy0Ve


There is evidence of a cosmological construct in game, centred on a sphere of storm gods (Milton’s Chaos). Atop of this is an Empyrean, a zone of higher gods, below it, the underworld.

By my observations it’s balanced, through its centre is the world tree Yggdrasil, a series of Norse named systems. Interspersed with various references to The Tuatha Dé Danann and of Gilgamesh.

Below is the Greek underworld, a classical concept of the older European ‘Otherworld’, this is conflated by other examples of ‘lost realms’ other Edens….and in my opinion the journey of Satan out of Hell, to the ‘Bridge’ and to Empyrean.

This whole concept is encircled by a course of ‘mountains’. The Lost Realms seems to exist on one of its borders. Close to the area of Yggdrasil linked to the Norse concept of the edge of the world. Likewise the borders of Heaven seem to sit upon its upper peaks.

A border?

The Brookes Tours intercept this zone.

This I believe is a construct, to represent the old architecture for M Brookes book ‘the Space In between’ and heavily references the works of Robert Holdstock.

It’s a cosmological model universe built off the bones of the first gods, and of the gods man later killed. It’s also identifying that Eden exists/existed, as a proto Otherworld, as is in my opinion Raxxla, and like that Miltonian example ought to be hanging from the Empyrean, in game a peculiar zone close to the borders of heaven (Fall).

Is Raxxla above, or is it below.

I do believe the Thargoids and Far God and everything is linked. And are collectively pointing us towards its location, is it some Celtic border or liminal zone, a crossing through or under a Mountain. Has Brookes melded Miltonian concepts with Celtic references?

This is a glorious construct to behold.

'The Robert Holdstock Conundrum'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-robert-holdstock-conundrum.607684/

The Lost Realms of Robert Holdstock
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10214625

The Cosmological model universe
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10281101

A bridge to the Empyrean
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10304929

Over sea and mountain to the Otherworld
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10210796

As above so below
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10198372

Tannhäuser Gate - a journey to the pagan underworld to find the fairy kingdom
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10342908

 

[Han_Zen]

What if Astrophel … is Astro Fell - as in starry mountain…. Fell like norse Fjäll…

Psalms 24: 3-5

Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in His holy place?

The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who has not set his mind on what is false, and who has not sworn deceitfully.

He will receive blessing from the Lord,
and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

On his high mountain among the stars, the Far God sits….. waiting

Fell and fjell are not the same.

Fjell = mountain
Fell = a piece of animal skin with the fur still.

In some dialects 'fell' has the exact same meaning as in English. To fall, in past tense.

 

[Han_Zen]

Astrophel sounds like "astro fell" ("for those with eyes to see" is stated in the codex. BUT the original (biblical IIRC) saying is "for those with eyes to see and ears to hear"), which implies "fallen star". "Princess Astrophell" could therefore mean a female fallen star- Astarte and Isis were the only named female prime followers of Satan in PL, however since Satan ruled in Hell then his daughter Sin could be viewed as a Princess...

Falling stars are usually meteors. Rocks from the asteroid field that falls into the atmosphere. This might be an indication to look for something really small. Caretakers are tiny yet gargantuan. They might not need a huge body to have a portal.

 

[selbie]

Yes. You’re getting it! That’s the spirit!

I’m loving this conceptual idea of ‘falling Stars’ as Milton’s falling archangels.

‘Fiery the Angels fell’ - ‘If Only You Could See What I´ve Seen With Your Eyes’ is this another reference by M Brookes to Blade Runner! (Quote is not linked to Milton, it’s a misquote of Blake's poem but the visual concept is striking and Brookes loved this film -(as do I) although it is linked to the Germanic concept of the Otherworld too).

Source: https://youtu.be/cAIGLuN9k-Y?si=QYIl6p48wGVWy0Ve


There is evidence of a cosmological construct in game, centred on a sphere of storm gods (Milton’s Chaos). Atop of this is an Empyrean, a zone of higher gods, below it, the underworld.

By my observations it’s balanced, through its centre is the world tree Yggdrasil, a series of Norse named systems. Interspersed with various references to The Tuatha Dé Danann and of Gilgamesh.

Below is the Greek underworld, a classical concept of the older European ‘Otherworld’, this is conflated by other examples of ‘lost realms’ other Edens….and in my opinion the journey of Satan out of Hell, to the ‘Bridge’ and to Empyrean.

This whole concept is encircled by a course of ‘mountains’. The Lost Realms seems to exist on one of its borders. Close to the area of Yggdrasil linked to the Norse concept of the edge of the world. Likewise the borders of Heaven seem to sit upon its upper peaks.

A border?

The Brookes Tours intercept this zone.

This I believe is a construct, to represent the old architecture for M Brookes book ‘the Space In between’ and heavily references the works of Robert Holdstock.

It’s a cosmological model universe built off the bones of the first gods, and of the gods man later killed. It’s also identifying that Eden exists/existed, as a proto Otherworld, as is in my opinion Raxxla, and like that Miltonian example ought to be hanging from the Empyrean, in game a peculiar zone close to the borders of heaven (Fall).

Is Raxxla above, or is it below.

I do believe the Thargoids and Far God and everything is linked. And are collectively pointing us towards its location, is it some Celtic border or liminal zone, a crossing through or under a Mountain. Has Brookes melded Miltonian concepts with Celtic references?

This is a glorious construct to behold.

'The Robert Holdstock Conundrum'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-robert-holdstock-conundrum.607684/

The Lost Realms of Robert Holdstock
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10214625

The Cosmological model universe
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10281101

A bridge to the Empyrean
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10304929

Over sea and mountain to the Otherworld
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10210796

As above so below
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10198372

Tannhäuser Gate - a journey to the pagan underworld to find the fairy kingdom
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10342908

The mythical parallels in BR were probably a huge inspiration for Brookes that's for sure Orion, a hunter god who was elevated to the heavens. The Christ-like Batty sacrificing himself for the sins of humanity. The legend of Tannhäuser the knight who fell from grace after finding the home of Venus.
I wonder if the deliberate use of the German compound word Fernweh is MB hinting at this. A disguised form of "Far Pain / Woe / Misery". Dare I say even a link to the Far God name and the opposing Eternal Void religions.

In terms of your Hypothetical Axis, or the Yggdrasil line (?), are you able to determine what direction in 3D space this line extends to beyond the bubble?
If crossroads are a locality where two realms touch, and if this axis runs to a 'crossroads' between human + thargoid, or human + guardian space, then perhaps somewhere in this intersection of realms is a potential clue? Perhaps we can summon a demon with arcane circles and copper coins
Or maybe it's less complicated and it's an intersection between the realms you've already identified - storm gods, Empyrean, Underworld etc.

Edit: could this crossroads be home to Soontill? "the actual Soontill is said to be a fantastical world filled with Thargoid treasures". The system named Soontill has a site rumoured to be of the CIEP base where a combined Human-Thargoid project took place. So some kind of hybridization just like the aforementioned liminal beings The relics themselves are said to not quite align with Thargoid materials, so either the last surviving Guardians or some other race.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

@selbie fairly sure the Soontill in-game is the "real" one; seem to remember the author confirming that & FD just didn't match the book's description very well -possibly due to lack of effort/interest, or just possibly because the hiding of Soontill in a "cosmic mist" as per the book is too close to something else (Raxxla???)- the codex pic is tantalising!

@simulacrae @Han_Zen Doesn't have to be Norwegian here - " Fell" is a good Northern English (admittedly derived from Old Norse- those pesky vikings!) word for a mountain/hill; it can also mean evil (as used by Boromir in Lord of the Rings "“Let those call it the wind who will; there are fell voices on the air")

fell

1. past simple of fall 2. to cut down a tree: 3. to knock someone down…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Did add "meteor" to my anagram search. Nothing!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Incidentally, for info-
I raised my problem with disappearing EDSM &Spansh search results on the EDSM Discord. I received the message

"EDSM does delete data if:

- Users account without any login or activity for at least 2 years will be deleted.
- Body without any scan or activity for at least 2 years will be deleted, that can happens when we prune old users
- Systems without first discoveries for at least 2 years, nor any visits, excluding the one with stations of course "

So I suspect that's why LHS 2921 & 3091 are no longer being found on EDSM-they've probably been pruned since nobody could visit them due to their unknown permit lock. They did reappear on a Spansh search I did yesterday afternoon, but it seems Spansh keeps his own copy of the data. The four systems that were originally all found at 49.4 ly from Alioth in a Spansh search appear to have had their coordinates corrected in Spansh searching so jumped well out of my search range...EDSM still couldn't find them yesterday so guessing they might also have been pruned due to lack of activity. If this is really what's happening then long distance exploration data (e.g. infrequently visited/edge of galaxy) might be disappearing form EDSM?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

@selbie fairly sure the Soontill in-game is the "real" one; seem to remember the author confirming that & FD just didn't match the book's description very well -possibly due to lack of effort/interest, or just possibly because the hiding of Soontill in a "cosmic mist" as per the book is too close to something else (Raxxla???)- the codex pic is tantalising!

@simulacrae @Han_Zen Doesn't have to be Norwegian here - " Fell" is a good Northern English (admittedly derived from Old Norse- those pesky vikings!) word for a mountain/hill; it can also mean evil (as used by Boromir in Lord of the Rings "“Let those call it the wind who will; there are fell voices on the air")

fell

1. past simple of fall 2. to cut down a tree: 3. to knock someone down…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Did add "meteor" to my anagram search. Nothing!

It's not. Robert Garry also has a bit of lying problem as he is from Beta Hydri (this system was settled by very rich Scottish families). The Soontill Relics are from Earth and known as Dropa Stones or Bi (jade) discs. This is why Beta Hydri has Jordan's Legacy as a planet.

I also challenge anyone to get Starburst to work on a planet that makes Venus look like heaven and has atmosphere primarily made of silicates and iron (hint: it is basically a natural mirror).

Robert Garry's tall tale was so outrageous Elvira Martuuk and GalNet took time to dismiss it entirely.

Let's not forget there is no brown dwarf. A brown dwarf generally needs to 8 - 15 Jupiter masses to qualify. Soontill 3 is a Sudarsky Class III which whilst 8.1 Jupiters it is still visibly blue and not reddish-purple.

Sorry, but everything is wrong about Soontill but the presence of Technetium. Propaganda has to partly true to be believable. That's the sole kernel of truth.

 

[simulacrae]

Mmm, but all light emanated from god, who's throne IIRC was on a mountain at the centre of the Empyrean. So, I suspect not the Far God in ED terms (Thargoids!).

Another point-if Satan is the fallen star then the spiralling stars could be his followers calling from the Empyrean into hell.

Ya but if we are on an axis there is likely both heaven and hell... the dark wheel at one end and raxxla on the other?

Fell and fjell are not the same.

Fjell = mountain
Fell = a piece of animal skin with the fur still.

In some dialects 'fell' has the exact same meaning as in English. To fall, in past tense.

Dont make me get my OED out im at work so will have to wait till i get home… Well here wikipedia has it - but ya “fell” in english and scottish does have an old association with land forms - and it apparently does go back to the old scandinavian norse mountains - high places … but ya i agree modern usage is more likely associated with past tense of fall.

Edit- looking back on my original post, i realize i didnt properly indicate which languages i was referencing very well. Sorry!

 

[simulacrae]

@selbie fairly sure the Soontill in-game is the "real" one; seem to remember the author confirming that & FD just didn't match the book's description very well -possibly due to lack of effort/interest, or just possibly because the hiding of Soontill in a "cosmic mist" as per the book is too close to something else (Raxxla???)- the codex pic is tantalising!

I have to admit - that is probably what happened…. However with the current state of ingame information and if we accept the book as lore - we are left with very conflicting stories. And because it is set up as a hidden system - it is fun to believe the “real” soontill is still out there…

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Ah, I lean towards the view that the game is the only thing that counts, and that all the novels are just padding- interesting reads and related to game lore but no interdependency in either direction. IIRC Allen Stroud might have said something to this effect.

The only novel I think might be relevant re lore and Raxxla is MB's own Elite Legacy.

Edit
But that codex Image of a planet hidden by galactic mist is intriguing!
Darn auto correct just changed "mist" to "Muppet" and "codex" to "cider"!!!
Does it know something I don't?

 

[simulacrae]

Darn auto correct just changed "mist" to "Muppet" and "codex" to "cider"!!!
Does it know something I don't?

Ahh the cosmic muppet - sounds like the far god to me!