Watched the livestream but they weren’t answering questions, just a look back over the years. I enjoyed it as it brought back a lot of great memories and reminded me how great of a community we have.
My tinfoil senses were tingling when Paige showed her favourite edition of Sag Eye magazine that had the Winking Cat on the cover though!
So a pilot achieves an Elite ranking (which is supposed to be top tier and super difficult in the ED lore), be given access to Shinrarta Dezhra by the PF where The Dark Wheel faction grants him the ability to buy everything at a discount at a station they control and yet somehow he should doubt that an organization with this level of influence and power in the entire Galaxy is not the real TDW?
the real dark wheel, the fake dark wheel. The dark wheel hasn't found raxxla....it's one of the reasons why it still exists. They're looking and still dont know. So pursuing the dark wheel is like watching that stupid treasure of oak island tv show on the history channel. A waste of time.
If anything, the dark wheel is competing with us to find it. However, in the game, i doubt such a thing is simulated. However it would be really cool if whenever you find raxxla, a fleet of spec ops ships appear and attempt to kill you before you can make it to any station to make the data known to the rest of the bgs. Then the game will be trying to get the data thru so you can be given the recognition....or perhaps nobody would be able to and the narrative gives it to the dark wheel .....you having played the role of leading them right to it.
Is there any Lore behind Trevithick Dock other than it being the original starting point for players in LHS 3447?
has some similarities to SD in that it’s an independent system controlled by the Pilots Federation Local Branch, just like SD and Jameson Memorial and now it’s even permit locked unless you have no rank whereas SD is locked until elite. Making mirror images of each other.
there’s a story behind Jameson Memorial and SD itself, wonder if there’s anything to connect it to LHS 3447.
Okay so Trevithick (Trevithick Dock) was the inventor of the high pressure steam engine and the steam locomotive. The major invention was first unveiled and displayed on Christmas Eve.
Beagle 2 Landing is named after the British mars rover that lost communication with control right before final landing and deployment. It was lost on Christmas Eve.
I can’t find any dates for John Jameson (death birth etc) or the founding of SD/Jameson Memorial. If it has any Christmas Eve connection that may be a clue if the 2 starting systems and the “end” system all have ties to Christmas Eve.
the day a “New Star Appeared” according to the story anyway.
Most likely completely unrelated, but I believe John Jameson is J. Jonah Jameson son from Spider-Man comics. I believe he was an astronaut. That's about as far as I can make any connection though.
I was looking at the routes of generation ships today to see if there were "crossovers" found one so far... not really sure it amounts to anything... but ya ... what if what caused the Antares accident also caused that of the Demeter ...
even if you visit and look at everything, they could be hiding raxxla by making it only accessible if you jump to a specific system from another specific system, triggering a "mis-jump" to an unlisted system. Making finding it much more likely to be total random chance unless the secret leaks from an angry ex employee.
even if you visit and look at everything, they could be hiding raxxla by making it only accessible if you jump to a specific system from another specific system, triggering a "mis-jump" to an unlisted system. Making finding it much more likely to be total random chance unless the secret leaks from an angry ex employee.
Similar to the ground base in the system with the DW Installation then, according to GalMap owned by PF Local and DW is minor faction. PF don't run it though as controlling faction, cant remember who it is.
Confirm dust is from core roid mining, looks cool in that light though.
think Beagle Landing was named when the scientist died in memory of him, that was the reason one of them was named anyway, not sure its that one. So maybe not Christmas Eve related.
Anyone checked out EDSM dashboard map recently? Mine shows Santa leaving Beagle Point on a route to the bubble, is it a message, am I special?
Similar to the ground base in the system with the DW Installation then, according to GalMap owned by PF Local and DW is minor faction. PF don't run it though as controlling faction, cant remember who it is.
Confirm dust is from core roid mining, looks cool in that light though.
think Beagle Landing was named when the scientist died in memory of him, that was the reason one of them was named anyway, not sure its that one. So maybe not Christmas Eve related.
Anyone checked out EDSM dashboard map recently? Mine shows Santa leaving Beagle Point on a route to the bubble, is it a message, am I special?
there's no one listed as controlling factions with the minor factions that are available there. but when you turn in your exploration data you gain reputation with pilots federation local branch proving that they are the ones that control the station. I hope this squashes any further confusion so we can move on with tinfoil please LOL JK
Most likely completely unrelated, but I believe John Jameson is J. Jonah Jameson son from Spider-Man comics. I believe he was an astronaut. That's about as far as I can make any connection though.
we know that the dark wheel likes secrecy, like top tier secrecy. and for them to have a base in that one most famous, and first system you get access to as you achieve elite status, doesn't sound like how the real DW does things around. it's way too easy and in the open. besides, nothing much seems to come from that faction other than some normal missions. people have tried everything by now, and surely something would have come up if they were legit.
but who knows...
edit: also what Jorki Rasalas said above.
I don't think you understand how significant it is to have access to SD.
1 credit is the equivalent of $50 in today's economy. A Trade Elite requires 1B credits or $50B in today's money. No 10 on the 2019 top 10 list has $50.8B.
Now this is the type of real Elite that has access to SD. Literally no one else in the galaxy has access to SD.
Here's another perspective from googling. In today's money, apparently the top 0.001% in the US earns $59M and there are "only" 1412 of them (who pays their taxes anyway). And these people in ED terms, are way below Elite level.
And yet we have Elite level missions to steal SAP 8 Core containers from The Dark Wheel faction ships. So are they important or no?
I'm not exactly sure where your idea of getting negative faction comes from logically other than an offshoot of brute forcing every possible scenario which will then go down a never ending rabbit hole, much like those people trying rare good triggers, which means its futile.
You think the Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight?
The best secrets are always hidden in plain sight. Only for those with eyes to see. That character has her own motivations to say what she says and we can only speculate in that context.
there's no one listed as controlling factions with the minor factions that are available there. but when you turn in your exploration data you gain reputation with pilots federation local branch proving that they are the ones that control the station. I hope this squashes any further confusion so we can move on with tinfoil please LOL JK
Shrug it was in context of what FullM3talX was speculating about. If we are full on speculating then it would seem more probable that the PF IS the front (since it is universally known) and TDW faction is the hidden hand in the back controlling things. Because no normal people in the galaxy would know about TDW faction since it is locked off in SD prior to its expansion in LFT 926. Again refer to my previous post about Trade Elite being a $50B billionaire in today's money.
Edit: I mean think about it. You become a billionaire, PF gives you a very special permit to access a very special system, which the TDW faction also has, and we are suppose to think that they are nothing special? Hmm ok...
Edit 2: Just realized how ridiculous 3xElite is in today's context. Essentially its like Bill Gates who is also a top level Pirate Ninja UFC champion who is also a part time Astronaut pilot on the weekends aka Batman.
i agree with all what you said @Machina Ergo Sum. i think the difference is, you're looking at it from a lore point of view. and from that view, it makes sense that accessing SD is a big deal only reserved to very few pilots. im looking at it from a gameplay point of view. surely you wouldn't put a very important secret of your game, in the very first logical achievement that every player would think of having, wich is elite status? wich can be aquired by delivering a few hundred tons of void opals to a max selling station? is that what it takes to find and possibly join the dark wheel? the game even congratulates us for the first elite, and waves the shinrata permit at our faces. it sounds too easy to me from a gameplay side.
as far as i know. those SAP 8 missions only have special in their name. other than that, they played out like a completely normal mission. not to forget that they dont exist anymore. (wich opens doors to many speculations on it's own)
i dont know why gaining negative reputation with them sounds such a wild idea to you. think about it, the mechanic is there... you can actually do it in the game. and the codex hints at the possibility that the DW faction in SD could possibly be a fake. it also states that they train their children in secret, and only reveal to them the truth of their membership, once they do certain acts that proves their aptitude. i say, lets go set some fires in their stations. and see what happens lol
i agree with all what you said @Machina Ergo Sum. i think the difference is, you're looking at it from a lore point of view. and from that view, it makes sense that accessing SD is a big deal only reserved to very few pilots. im looking at it from a gameplay point of view. surely you wouldn't put a very important secret of your game, in the very first logical achievement that every player would think of having, wich is elite status? wich can be aquired by delivering a few hundred tons of void opals to a max selling station? is that what it takes to find and possibly join the dark wheel? the game even congratulates us for the first elite, and waves the shinrata permit at our faces. it sounds too easy to me from a gameplay side.
And how long did it take for someone in the beginning to obtain Trade Elite before the mining update? CMDR Onepercent, the first 3x Elite pilot, took 1029 hours which is not trivial at all. You can read about his whole experience here . It WAS a difficult journey. So how is it logical that you would apply the lowered difficulty NOW to judge the validity of TDW faction in the past? You have to imagine yourself in the world of ED.
and as far as i know. those SAP 8 missions only have special in their name. other than that, they played out like a completely normal mission. not to forget that they dont exist anymore. (wich opens doors to many speculations on it's own)
i dont know why gaining negative reputation with them sounds such a wild idea to you. think about it, the mechanic is there... you can actually do it in the game. and the codex hints at the possibility that the DW faction in SD could possibly be a fake. it also states that they train their children in secret, and only reveal to them the truth of their membership, once they do certain acts that proves their aptitude. i say, lets go set some fires in their stations. and see what happens lol
Occam's Razor. Hidden in plain sight i.e. its not really hidden except via the observers' bias.
This is the problem with confirmation bias and choosing sections selectively to reinforce a preconceived conclusion. In the very first paragraph in the Codex entry for TDW, Felicity Farseer says "Whenever someone tries to usurp the Dark Wheel name, sooner or later they get quietly shut down. And that's how I know." There are 2 ways to see this: 1. TDW missions was removed is confirmation that TDW is a fake faction. 2. TDW is the real faction because it is still alive and thriving to the extent of expansion out into LFT 926.
So the last paragraph in the entry is "It is not apparent if the group is a legitimate descendant of the original Dark Wheel, a reconstruction, or merely an opportunistic imitator" Of the 3 choices, you pick the last one. If we are going to just cherry pick, then there will be a lot of things which can be called into question. E.g. "No such starport has ever been found, however, and rival experts have accused Crane of forging her evidence in order to maintain the revenue from her billions of followers." So in this case, should we believe the rival experts and pay no attention to Crane's theory of "a disused starport orbiting the eighth moon of an unnamed gas giant"?
Well Robert Garry does exactly that vs the CIEP (an offshoot of TW) in And Here The Wheel . I don't think he got a membership card to either CIEP or TDW
alright. nevermind then, my apologies commander. i guess TDW in SD is a legitimate one. i will take your word for it... you seem to know your stuff. i hope that leaves us somewhere usefull now. where do we go from here? i was merely pointing out the not so obvious different views on the puzzle, not making conclusions. and for the sap 8 missions, how good and usefull is all that text, if it has been removed from the current game... you know what i mean? just a thought.
as for me, im heading to the void sector, quite a long journey it is. if any commanders are living in colonia, im passing by soon to say hello, and disturb your peaceful existence in there haha. (just for a short while) if there are things you think are worth investigating for this thread's topic, around colonia/void sector, please do let me know. i will be your extended hand in the void.
Realistically the circle of independent Elite pilots was more of like a separate group because of a schism between Alex Ryder's children Oberon and Neptune. however it turned out Robert Garry was a direct descendant of Alex Ryder and the last surviving heir apparent I don't really think he needed an invitation at that level.
We didn't really get any confirmation on what goes on after all of that crap happened. It's a little hard to speculate on what events might have transpired. It's possible that the engineer Liz Ryder is a descendant of Alex Ryder for Euribia blue Mafia. but I'm sure that there's people that have Max reputation possible with her and I imagine they would speak up if she was a key involvement in this.
I have to also agree with machina ergo sum about tdw being the actual shadow controlling faction and PFLB being a puppet .
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