ok...got close as I could to exact same distance to 3 star systems I posted some above. Mapped all stars to edsm around, best to calculated point is
Pro Eurl DP-A c15; 3.81 (ly)
Distances at that virtual point:
9638.91; 9638.85; 9638.85
....I assumed Y coord be same though for initial calc. It was almost same, +/- 100ly.
Maybe should try all combinations of each 4 sites of each 3 expeditions and see what happens. But then need some exact algo to get initial center.
Yes, together with log 4/4, but I’m not saying your premise is wrong, just that these logs are only suggestive of Thargoids. We don't know whether other aliens have the same hyperdiction technology. Possibly even The Club, who seem to have been pretty clued in with INRA, AEGIS etc (reading between the lines, except now we don’t even have the lines!)
As I said it seemed that FD originally planned goids to come from Bovomit but then changed their minds and locked Col70 (& possibly some other areas, can’t remember the timeline). Of course there might be different subspecies/nests of goids scattered around the galaxy.....or other things.
Wonder if Ricardo Bentonio’s “lizard people” was a nod to OISIR-RAXXLA?
It’s got most of the points I was going to make in this thread so just pasting it all below:
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I'm not so sure about the direction the Thargoids were coming from stuff.
I've been coincidentally been looking back at what happened when, and in retrospect, the definite in game establishment of the Thargoid - Pleiades connection goes back to 1.3 / 1.4. So if that was a change from something else it happened very early and well before the Dynasty expedition bases were put into game.
Key stuff from 1.3/1.4 being:
UAs being retrieved from convoys originally, and speculation that markings on them were a reference to the Pleiades
Free floating UAs being discovered near the Pleiades
Discovery that the UAs point to Merope
Discovery of the 150-170ly UA 'shell' around Merope
The CTD bug with the Dynasty expedition sites also meant things didn't happen in the order they should have. What ended up happening was:
1. The first Hyperdictions by Unknown Ships happen
2. Dynasty expedition logs are found
However, what would have happened if it wasn't for the bug was:
1. Dynasty expedition logs are found (with all the mentions of strange signals, power shutdowns, and ships being pulled out of hyperspace...)
2. Cmdrs start getting pulled out of hyperspace by Unknown Ships, including having their power shutdown...
Looked at that way round, the Dynasty expedition logs would seem to form part of the build up to the start of the encounters with Thargoid ships.
That suggests that the content of the logs isn't an artefact of a change of plan, but rather they were a deliberate part of the plan at that time.
Exact dates they were added would help, but from when things happened, there's a good chance it was in the 2.2.02 patch on 15th Nov '16. If they weren't added then, that still roughly marks the time when FD put in the CG etc that lead to the discovery of the beacons that lead to the sites. It seems to me that it would be a bit of an odd thing to do to push all that forwards with all those things which would have acted as portents of what was to imminently come, if they were in no way intended to provide portents of what was to come.
It is. Its dreadful. 32 down my end if the country not great for poor sods (like me) who medically cant go in sunlight and have to walk around with hoods over our faces and hands inside our sleeves looking like teenage yobs. Hey ho. (I have the "vampire disease" - for real)
Makes me think about something i've noticed while decorating my ships recently, which probably means nothing at all: while FDev have named the Trader Elite decal "Elite Trader", the Explorer Elite decal is simply named "Elite", as if it was the one that mattered when talking about Elite cmdrs. I'm only Expert in combat so can't see what the Combat Elite one is named.
one of the reason's I played elite on the Beeb during the summer as I couldn't go out and my mother (a teacher) borrowed one from school so I could do some programming.... needless to say I got to "Deadly" instead.... ;-)
Never quite made Elite on the beeb or C64 (Dangerous) which is why I was determined to get Combat Elite in this version... then when I got that I got distracted with the various stories and BGS and then forced myself to get the other Elite rankings.... one thing that won't go away is Raxxla, even when I can't bring myself to play the game still read this thread... ;-)
one of the reason's I played elite on the Beeb during the summer as I couldn't go out and my mother (a teacher) borrowed one from school so I could do some programming.... needless to say I got to "Deadly" instead.... ;-)
Never quite made Elite on the beeb or C64 (Dangerous) which is why I was determined to get Combat Elite in this version... then when I got that I got distracted with the various stories and BGS and then forced myself to get the other Elite rankings.... one thing that won't go away is Raxxla, even when I can't bring myself to play the game still read this thread... ;-)
I'm not! I still think it's a totally plausible theory.
I know Raxxla doesnt tie in directly with rift mystery, but I got the impression codex told us "you missed something". As @simulacrae said...there is a good possibility they were lazy and linked all the mysteries. They could have easily done this without telling DW, so no reason why he would know about it necessarily.
Edit: the wording is too much of a coincidence. To the point where the codex would be a big mistake or deliberate misleading on fdevs part
I'm not! I still think it's a totally plausible theory.
I know Raxxla doesnt tie in directly with rift mystery, but I got the impression codex told us "you missed something". As @simulacrae said...there is a good possibility they were lazy and linked all the mysteries. They could have easily done this without telling DW, so no reason why he would know about it necessarily.
Edit: the wording is too much of a coincidence. To the point where the codex would be a big mistake or deliberate misleading on fdevs part
Im a bit of a lumper... reason why i liked the old mysteries thread was because we werent sure what was thargoid or raxxlan or soontil or guardian... it was all a mystery and to be honest id expect there to be some overlap. I still assume both guardians and thargoids have some info about raxxla and wouldnt be surprised if the clubs efforts had some bearing on it as well. I guess my "lazyness" comment was me being snide about FDs general actions toward Lore these days. But ya would be nice if some mysteries were all their own.
Im a bit of a lumper... reason why i liked the old mysteries thread was because we werent sure what was thargoid or raxxlan or soontil or guardian... it was all a mystery and to be honest id expect there to be some overlap. I still assume both guardians and thargoids have some info about raxxla and wouldnt be surprised if the clubs efforts had some bearing on it as well. I guess my "lazyness" comment was me being snide about FDs general actions toward Lore these days. But ya would be nice if some mysteries were all their own.
Its funny how these things happen but a lot of these things have been answered very recently. Im only just catching up with Lore Tour vids and this is what we've learned:
Drew was happy for the Rift mystery to be unsolvable, or with nor real outcome, a mystery 'for ever'. Fdev pushed for a conclusion.*
Drew was writing the 2nd book at the same time and needed the game to 'catch up' so he could write the events in. hence the more obvious clues to the whole mystery.
GalNet fluffed up many times, clues missing, edited what Drew had wrote missing the context or the clue. Also not always released in the correct order.
Lot of issues with implementation. Planets being the wrong type entirely (Prism system doesnt match book System) but far more importantly: The beacons were supposed to be in systems with ELW or WW or tf HMC! All the speculation about where are the ELWs mentioned in the messages, all down to bugs or planets not being the right type, there is no bigger mystery sadly.
There were supposed to be more beacons around the correct planet or more detailed coordinates or something, it wasn't supposed to be needing brute forced.**
Drew approached Fdev about writing 2nd book. Fdev pushed for something in game for the whole community - which lead top the whole Salome chase me thing, the Rift was there already.*
Fdev rang Drew up at work to offer to upgrade the mystery using new available technology.*
The 'lights' the 'whispers' in witchspace, Halseys visions (+potentially Gan Romero out of game narrative - my speculation not Drews) were all originally intended to be part of a much bigger storyline that hasnt happened yet....or may not happen now at all. Drew 'played into' this story with the messages he wrote about the Rift and Conflux and Hawkins Gap.
The FR, Conflux, HG sites are roughly 90 degrees from each other starting at Sol. They all moved away from the expected Tharg invasion direction (coming from The Pleiades). At this early time time the expectation was Pleiades (FR mystery was first mentioned or alluded to in pre-game book)
So Drew linked the messages, INRA bases etc with a larger storyline he was aware of, hence the similarities between them. Importantly the implication is this story will link a few different stories and may put them all into context. So the Rift etc was a prelude, a lead in, another 'clue' that something was happening or coming, but wouldn't make sense until the final jigsaw piece was put in....and now it may not ever be. Implication is its not the Tharg Invasion, or if it is thats only part of it, which means its massive.
On 2 separate videos Drew refers to working out how long the original expedition would have taken and he says at one point, 5 years. (Their 5 year mission to boldly go etc). However in the logs that he wrote all the mentions are of journeys of months not years! (5 months iirc for one of them) Not sure if this is just oversight, but drawing attention to it twice? Saying twice he worked out how long it would take in olden times. Is he suggesting there was another 'FSD' developed by INRA long before we know about?
*Fdev have on these occasions either pushed for community involvement or offered to improve the experience of the player. They have not been forced into it they have been proactive. For very little or no financial gain or expected gain either. Purely for player involvement. Just saying.
**Brute forcing is not a choice fdev used for solving riddles. Bugs and gameplay made it necessary. Its not the intention. Hopefully the same applies to Raxxla. Hopefully the lack of fixing the bugs (wrong planets entirely!) doesnt apply to Raxxla.
not great for poor sods (like me) who medically cant go in sunlight and have to walk around with hoods over our faces and hands inside our sleeves looking like teenage yobs. Hey ho. (I have the "vampire disease" - for real)