A few tid bits in the codex.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
- Thread starter Macros Black
- Start date
It’s probably all on the Canon website. Have you tried google?
They asked where to find it in game...
Yeah Ram Tah's mission is the only choice however it won't guide you, nor it will record your findings. They will come as private messages on your comms panel.
In-game codex basically has everything you need to know.
Dear CMDRs, thank you for the information. o7
My return into the Raxxla quest will be with Ram Tah then.
The reason i'm asking you about guardian is that it makes more sense to believe that Raxxla is an artificial thing than a natural one. If it was natural we probably would have more than one so said 'Raxxla' phenomenon around the galaxy as we have other rare/uncommon oddities that have been figured out already. If it is artificial, it cannot be human made, because its information would've been leaked along the history so it must be alien, in this line of thought. Please note that i dont intend to bring the truth here, this is just the hypothesis i'll be working on.
If it's Alien, either it is thargoid origin or guardian, since those are the only known intelligent species so far. I don't know much about them to distinguish which one could be more relatable but i'm up to start working on that. Thargoids came from other galaxy if i recall correctly and guardians were killed by their own lost AI (since we see no signs of it around), yet they had incredible/mystic technology.
Does that make sense to you guys? Have you worked in this trend before? I've been reading the later posts, with a lot of discussion about guardians so that idea came to me.
o7
![[PS4] Filthymick420](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/201/201444.jpg?1555738739){kind=avatar}
Imo guardians are more likely than thrgoids just because one seems to have been civilized and the other more animalistic
i share the same feeling. I'd also say their tech feels more like something mysterious and spectacular as Raxxla's tales. Yet, if the thargs came from another galaxy.. thats a feat we cannot ignore, as much cabbagy as they may look
What wonders me, humanity put presence in whole Galaxy during 6 - 7 years game exists.
Now we have 2 alien cultures which were far more advanced and still we find it locked to small regions.
We can't assume all species are as ambitious as we are
Yes, I'd agree with that hypothesis. Canon website is the shortcut to get the info, but if you want immershun then Ram Tah missions are the way to go. I also think Raxxla is likely to be Guardian, just because I think they were more human-like than goids and so more likely to name something, though might also relate to/be named by their AI. Goids just seem to incorporate and adapt extant life into their technology, we haven't found any "made by" or "Kilroy was 'ere" signs on any of their tech! Unless Raxxla is the Goid Queen of Queens!
Don't think that bit about goids coming from another galaxy is now canon lore (but willing to be corrected)
Last edited:
The permit locks are defined by the Pilot's Federation, and designed to stop humanity trespassing where they shouldn't yet! There's nothing to stop the goids moving anywhere they please as far as we know. Perhaps the PF is actually a collection of Lizards in Human suits? Ricardo Bentonio made a lot of good sense!
Incidentally, (just been browsing while waiting 20 minutes for todays update!) reading the summary of AMA III thread and one question stood out:
"In the Codex, it says that the Guardian sites were found as a result of Halsey's visions. However in reality, they were found via images in a trailer. At the time, it was said that there had been something planned for how they were going to be found but that got cut off due to them being found via the trailer. Does the Codex version represent what should have happened rather than what did?
This is BEFORE my time but I would suggest that CODEX is the correct narrative"
So, if Halsey's visions were supposed to be the way Guardians were found.. then they are the "infinitiely small but infinitely large" caretakers of the galaxy (or similar phrasing, see her speechh on Galnet), so it seems she encountered somehow their AI Constructs (or disembodied Guardians are still around) via the guardian comms network. How did she do this??
"In the Codex, it says that the Guardian sites were found as a result of Halsey's visions. However in reality, they were found via images in a trailer. At the time, it was said that there had been something planned for how they were going to be found but that got cut off due to them being found via the trailer. Does the Codex version represent what should have happened rather than what did?
This is BEFORE my time but I would suggest that CODEX is the correct narrative"
So, if Halsey's visions were supposed to be the way Guardians were found.. then they are the "infinitiely small but infinitely large" caretakers of the galaxy (or similar phrasing, see her speechh on Galnet), so it seems she encountered somehow their AI Constructs (or disembodied Guardians are still around) via the guardian comms network. How did she do this??
Now who would ask a question like that?!
Anyway, the rationale for the idea from ages back that it was Guardian descendants that Halsey encountered still stands and potentially answers things.
That was based on the Guardians having nearly reached a bio-AI singularity with exponentially increasing development until the violent backlash from those who weren’t part of it.
The Guardians involved were exiled and are fate unknown. It’s not known if any AI went with them. The more general AI are also fate unknown. It’s worth noting though that one of a couple of major principles the Guardians had for their AI (at least in the early days) was that the AI’s were designed to be responsible for their own ongoing development.
Take all that and extrapolate by 2 Million years.
What Halsey described encountering was the only match that had been mentioned in the game. And it’s a very good match - a lot of deep rooted aspects of Guardian culture are reflected in the descriptions of what Halsey encountered.
There’s certainly an implication of a form of transcendence (of original physical forms at least). I think it’s also worth crossreferencing the descriptions of the blue nanotech fluid at the Guardian sites with the ‘tiny yet gargantuan’ description, particularly when an ‘extrapolate by 2 Million years’ is applied to the description of the fluid.
Anyway, long story short, I don’t think there’s any need to invoke access to the Guardians comms network as a necessary step for communication.
Several possibilities for consideration:
- many people have direct brain implants. That could be the comms path. They’re supposed to be unhackable, but the Gan Romero incident shows that being unhackable might not be quite the barrier it sounds.
- could be direct mind manipulation. It’s very sci-fi but then so’s a lot of other stuff, so it’s definitely not an absolute no-no, plus the Gan Romero articles endorse the possibility (though that could still actually potentially be through the brain implant route and the journalist, so to speak, just didn’t consider it.)
- we’ve been using the Guardian comms network for ages. Certainly there’s hints - the patterns of triangles (they’re even in the newsletter now in a very Guardian-esque fashion). We also know nothing about how our FTL comms are actually provided. But there’s things like the Mars relic, and the permit lock of the Regor Sector.
- it wasn’t the Guardian descendants at all. Halsey was mind edited by others. The Club, CIEP, TDW, the Thargs. (Plausible motives exist for all of them to do what they in essence did - direct the public to the Guardian sites and Guardian tech.)
Also, sorry I’ve not replied to your Discord message yet bud, I’m not really using it much at the moment (not been on the forums much either - bit of an interlude for the AMA today, having pretty much missed the other ones).
You’re probably already aware of this but for others...in the Codex under Guardian information the tab labeled “Human Guardian Interaction” (or something to that effect) goes into Halsey’s visions. So there does seem to be some unverified evidence of a connection between Halsey and Guardians, at least According to the codex.
Just to add some weight to your claim that Halsey was indeed describing something Guardian related in her visions.
The How? Is the hard part. It brings us back to the Starship One disaster and all the dead ends or coverups involved with that. Part of me feels we’ve missed something there. Something perhaps repeatable and the fact that it’s still being brought up after so many years even after the Galnet revamp and the removal of articles that have no in game components.
The question is what was missed? The Club revealed the Guardian ruins to us already so why so much mystery regarding what she saw, unless the ruins were a purposeful distraction.
Back to reading I guess.
Someone raised Halsey’s last journey on Starship One, which had a rather mysterious element. Just checking back through Galnet & found:
Then
Community Goal: Jasmina Halsey Appeals for Exploration Data
Since being discharged from the medical centre at Leoniceno Orbital, former Federal president Jasmina Halsey has repeatedly spoken about the allegedly transcendent experiences she had while drifting through space. The former leader purports to have seen “the true architects of creation” and to...news.galnet.fr
(Don’t think that exploration data analysis was ever revealed-suspicious!)
Freelance Report: Growing Demand for Halsey’s Exploration Data
A demonstration was held today at Leoniceno Orbital in Azaleach calling for the immediate release of all information submitted in response to former Federal president Jasmina Halsey’s appeal for exploration data. “Something isn’t right here,” said one of the demonstrators. “Mountains of data...news.galnet.fr
Before the journey started we heard she was to visit several systems that included:Hip 53688, Tinia, Aleumoxii, 78 Ursae Majoris, Dietri, Su, Furuhjelm I-645, Saga, Delphin, Nanomam, Coriccha and Ross 860.
The sabotage occured before she reached Saga.
President Halsey Sets Out from Sol
The crowds were out in force on Mars today, as residents gathered to watch the presidential battlecruiser, Space Flight One, depart on the start of President Halsey’s tour of Federal frontier systems. For security reasons, the exact details of the President’s itinerary are being kept secret...news.galnet.fr
Now I remember a post that Starship One had made an unscheduled secret diversion before the crash, and I seem to remember a diagram (@ Simulacrae??) of her route, but I couldn't find either in a Galnet search under Halsey or Starship One search phrases. Maybe the diagram is on my gaming PC-will look tomorrow.
The search for her wreckage was concentrated on Lyncis Sector, and in particular on the ON-T B3-1, ON-T B3-2, ON-T B3-3, ON-T B3-4 and ST-R B4-3 1 systems (https://news.galnet.fr/community-goal-the-search-for-survivors/)
“Weird pulsating alien things” (presumably UA/TS) had been found before the incident- was the sabotage in order to delay knowledge of Thargoids getting out? (https://news.galnet.fr/the-truth-is-out-there-2/) and
Federation ships had been transporting the artefacts through populated space (https://news.galnet.fr/federation-accused-of-cover-up-2/)
We now know that the ship was sabotaged (The Club?) on the instigation of Admiral Vincent. But there was a strange contender in the search for the wreckage-The Club or Empire or Winters?
“Daurtu Jet Comms PLC, an organisation about which very little is known” (https://news.galnet.fr/galactic-news-federation-begins-analysing-wreckage/) was the other search CG backer.Community Goal: The Search for Starship One
In May 3301, the personal vessel of the Federal president, Starship One, disappeared en route to the Azaleach system. An investigation was promptly launched, but the fate of the vessel and her crew, which included then-president Jasmina Halsey, could not be conclusively determined. In a...
There was also an intimation that unseen forces were at work manipulating events for some hidden motives (The Club!?)
Freelance Report: Game of Shadows
Various media outlets throughout inhabited space received an anonymous communiqué this morning. “The galactic community is in peril,” the message began. “They just don’t know it yet.” The transmission asserts a connection between Core Dynamics, the destruction of the Antares and Starship One...
Reporter Elaine Boyd investigated the incident before allegedly committing suicide
She had asked for (but was refused) information on a collision where investigators were killedFreelance Report: Following the Breadcrumbs
Imperial investigator Cornelius Gendymion has released a statement to the Prism Herald addressing accusations that Imperial agents were responsible for the destruction of Starship One. “It seems Federal Times reporter Elaine Boyd’s investigations are being ignored by her countrymen. You may...
Two Dead in Tragic Accident
Two Dead in Tragic Accident Two people died in a crash when a personal transport collided with a Lakon Type-9 Heavy transport vessel. The small ship, a type used to run between orbital facilities, was destroyed in the impact. The small vessel was ferrying two transport safety officials to the...
Two curious things I've stumbled across in random investigation recently that perhaps others might be able to slot into their investigations:
1. I was just investigating tip-off missions et al in relation to Guardian Beacons, Ram Tah, and possible methods to obtain a DW invite using in-game statistics/metrics. And I stumbled upon a post by Dominic Corner indicating there were select missions that you had to be Elite to actually get? I've only seen missions that we're recommended rank? Has anyone seen one of these?
"This is how it currently works. (With the exception of a few missions that have a minimum rank of Elite)."
Should Missions now be Rank locked again?
I'd like to see the ability to take lower-ranked combat missions (for example), even as a higher-ranked player. I'm trying to help a new player get some experience with these types of missions. Since this player has shied away from these missions, he has no good idea for which one to select on...
2. Jorki's post above made me dredge up ancient history a bit, but found it interesting that the Coat of Arms for Furuhjelm has a tree in it (didn't Michael Brookes have a thing for trees?) and this was the last stop before Starship One's had a mis-jump?
Deliberate or Coincidence?
Fly Dangerously,
/ Ra
This is not a clue, but I think I got a bit of Space Madness - whenever I see a hexagonal symmetry I almost jump and shout "Eeek! thought that was RAXXLA"
don't ask me why I use Auto-launch
@Thatchinho: Ah, I thought the question style sounded familiar! No problem re Discord mate, RL always gets priority. 
“The Guardians involved were exiled and are fate unknown. It’s not known if any AI went with them.” - did they go in one of the Ark ships? (I can’t remember the detail) just wondering if that is Raxxla. It would fit the general storyline-yes,the triangle theme has been evident for a while, particularly in PF messages, e.g. in UC data sales. It made me hypothesise that PF are actually run by Guardians/AI/descendants and (with the Mars Artefact clearly indicating alien presence in Sol in the distant past, & Ram Tah’s message decode re the Guardian influencing prey species etc) whether Humanity might actually be the result of Guardian manipulation to create a successor capable of beating the Thargoids (their implacabe enemies). Guardians tried peace negotiations with goids, which failed, so perhaps they started developing us as a response? Just might be another reason for Raxxla being near/within the bubble (but if it’s Triton/Luna I’m going to get angry because they’re permit locked!!).
(Edit: and it might explain why PF have locked the areas in question-perhaps we’re being protected until we stand a chance)
Someone reported a vague recollection that DB said Raxxla is like nothing else and we’d recognise it when we find it. MB reputedly said Raxxla’s system had been visited but it wasn’t detected/recognised. These are rumours, apparently contradictory, that I’d like to see solid references for, but they give me some hope that we can still attain the object of our quest!
“The Guardians involved were exiled and are fate unknown. It’s not known if any AI went with them.” - did they go in one of the Ark ships? (I can’t remember the detail) just wondering if that is Raxxla. It would fit the general storyline-yes,the triangle theme has been evident for a while, particularly in PF messages, e.g. in UC data sales. It made me hypothesise that PF are actually run by Guardians/AI/descendants and (with the Mars Artefact clearly indicating alien presence in Sol in the distant past, & Ram Tah’s message decode re the Guardian influencing prey species etc) whether Humanity might actually be the result of Guardian manipulation to create a successor capable of beating the Thargoids (their implacabe enemies). Guardians tried peace negotiations with goids, which failed, so perhaps they started developing us as a response? Just might be another reason for Raxxla being near/within the bubble (but if it’s Triton/Luna I’m going to get angry because they’re permit locked!!).
(Edit: and it might explain why PF have locked the areas in question-perhaps we’re being protected until we stand a chance)
Someone reported a vague recollection that DB said Raxxla is like nothing else and we’d recognise it when we find it. MB reputedly said Raxxla’s system had been visited but it wasn’t detected/recognised. These are rumours, apparently contradictory, that I’d like to see solid references for, but they give me some hope that we can still attain the object of our quest!
Last edited:
Wasn’t my claim-the point of my post was that FD seem to be confirming the hypothesis. Thatchinho & others have hypothesised this for a while and it seems likely from the Codex putting Halsey’s revelations in as human-guardian interaction.
It was specifically the mechanism for Halsey’s experience that intrigued me. “Tiny yet gargantuan” caretakers of the galaxy and guardian-related; this sounds to me exactly like the blue “fireflies” that “escape” from barnacles, UA/Thargoid sensors etc. Which perhaps implies Thargoids came across guardian AI and incorporated them into their technologies, but these Guardian “motes” still have independent abilities, purpose, etc. “Caretakers of the Galaxy” implies some specific purpose.
Edit: and are we sure that “The Club revealed the Guardian ruins to us” ?? How do we know this?? I think it’s been hypothesised but I’ve seen no supporting evidence. It may be true, but it may not...
Edit2: those fireflies have intrigued ever since I first saw them five years back, they seem to have a purpose!
Last edited: