The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Rochester]

Based off my extrapolation I calculated the hexagons centroids closest system to be Albina, again please note how it like the other points aligns upon the same y/z plain!

In Greek mythology Albina was exiled to a mysterious uninhabited island, after attempting to murder her husband.

She and her sisters were then seduced by a demon and later they gave birth to a race of giants.

In game I suspect this is likely an intentional link towards the system Jotnar and this Norse myth concept of a land of giants, who lived in an ‘Otherworld’ and held knowledge beyond mans understanding.

This likewise I believe ties into various Celtic systems in that same relative area, linked to the mythology of the Tuatha Dé Danann, a mythic race, who lived in an Otherworld, and possessed secret knowledge!

Or it could be a reference to the Etruscan ‘White Goddess’ or Saint Albina the goddess of the dawn and protector of ill-fated lovers!

It’s shown below as the centre star in yellow.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10343060

Another in this area is Aeolus, likewise aligned upon the same y/z plain, shown below in green (top centre).

Aeolus was the ruler of the winds who gave Odysseus a bag with all the winds, except the West wind; he lived on a mythical, idyllic island paradise, a floating island called Aeolia (not in game).

Oh of our se - doh, Yoruba is fight next to Aeolus!

I don’t think this is a coincidence anymore…

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Based off my extrapolation I calculated the hexagons centroids closest system to be Albina.

In Greek mythology Albina was exiled to a mysterious uninhabited island, after attempting to murder her husband.

She and her sisters were then seduced by a demon and later they gave birth to a race of giants.

In game I suspect this is likely an intentional link to wards the system Jotnar and this Norse myth concept of a land of giants, who lived in an ‘Otherworld’ and held knowledge beyond mans understanding.

This likewise I believe ties into various Celtic systemsf linked to the mythology of the Tuatha Dé Danann, a mythic race, who lived in an Otherworld, and possessed secret knowledge!

Or it could be a reference to the Etruscan ‘White Goddess’ or Saint Albina the goddess of the dawn and protector of ill-fated lovers!

Good catch. Loving the myths build the tree. Would it be possible for you to link the relevant myth to Albina?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Could be a coincidence or not, but the proposed hexagon systems all seem fairly close to the borders of their respective regions: Demeter (W) on Herculis Sector, Eulexia (S) on Shudun Sector, Nefertem (E) on Yin Sector and Siren (N) on Tascheter Sector.

This does make Demeter an outlier, though, as its sector doesn't have an ancient star name but a constellation one.

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What software are you using? Asking because there are other mysteries beyond Raxxla where visualization may actually be helpful.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

The hypothesis that I've recently been working on recently:
1) Raxxla system lies in Alliance space (Elite Legacy, 2015 bubble size so ~30 to max 60ly from Alioth);
2) "Milton’s Ontology, Cosmogony, and Physics" Walter Clyde Curry 1957. From Curry's analysis in Paradise Lost Heaven's Gate was on the West wall, as @Rochester has found.
3) Dev Diary #1 video of Brookes saying something about being careful about transporting certain illegal cargo in Alliance space, it then cuts to an amusing ‘reaction’ he pulls with a smirk and appropriate ominous music! Dev fiction diaries 1 around 7:11

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O6z5OK8J5pg&feature=youtu.be
). So TOHF may be the key to open the Raxxla lock?
4) if Milton's Heavens Gate is the West gate, @Rochester has pointed out it ought to be located somewhere between Fall and the Morrigans; Sheela na gig as a protector of doors may advocate a prime location given its close spatial relationship with Starship One and Halsey's visions.

In 2012, however, Ittzés argued Curry was incorrect and that "heaven’s gate is apparently on the northern side, which is the region of Satan’s rebellion" (5.689, 726,755; 6.79) THE STRUCTURE OF MILTON’S UNIVERSE, Gábor Ittzés 2012, which is in time for it to have affected MB in setting the Raxxla storyline in-game.

I looked at the Alliance minor factions:
North Wall Alliance Embassy player faction (home system Tepehuacoc, present in Hachihikaru, Agathiar, Macu Kung)
Northern Lights player faction (home Ari Hesa)
Southern Cross United Mercenaries (home HM Bootis, their only system!)
But no "East" or "West" factions! However those systems aren't too far from Sheela na gig.

Hachihikaru (Japanese translates as "8 Shining" or "8 light" ) is reminiscent of Lyta Crane's TDW codex entry "the original group was based in a disused starport orbiting the eighth moon of an unnamed gas giant". Hachi means eight: "This number holds significant cultural and spiritual significance in Japanese culture, representing good fortune and prosperity. In addition, "hachi" can also refer to a bee or wasp, as the insect's shape resembles the character for eight". Promising space installations related to
"Princess Astrophel and the Spiraling Stars" ... "for those with eyes to see" (i.e. not a subanagram as I originally suspected, but a cryptic clue)

None of the stations in those systems seemed promising but best candidates:
(Installations are not found by Galmap search, so a good hiding place!! )
Tepehuacoc 9/Empyrean Oversight Satellite (Comms installation) Independent-on outer rim of system!
Hachihikaru A1/Conjoint Insight Satellite (Comms installation) Mabe Incorporated
Hachihikaru A4/Stellar Acumen Core (Comms installation)
Agathiar/Princess Centre installation - on outer rim! Fed Navy defending?? in an Alliance system??
None of these look like the Raxxla logo. I've investigated them, including carrying TOHF there, but got no response....but that's no proof they aren't the solution!!

I remembered Beyond - Chapter Four - Exploration Reveal18Oct2018 : @1:29:58 Adam Bourke-Waite (Senior Designer) said “that thing we haven’t shown” (Raxxla codex entry) “there’s elements of that that are probably my favourite parts of this”... .

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtmmmP_waf4&list=PL7glm5rbPHKw5-Bx_eQuz3SX7-dyAiyJh&index=9&pp=iAQB
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SO I suspect that when/if we find Raxxla the graphics sequence will be amazing.

 

[El Saico]

What software are you using? Asking because there are other mysteries beyond Raxxla where visualization may actually be helpful.

It's Blender; a proper 3D tool, which helps with visualization, its objects can belong to multiple collections and the Python API helps a lot with importing system data.

 

[Rochester]

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Here is a quick image of the Morrigan’s / hypothetical hexagon location I’ve mapped, this time with the Greek wind compass overlaid.

Before we get into what is up/down etc, first lets us acknowledge where this Greek compass resides… it’s technically in this same location, I think this is intentional.

East is a little contentious in my opinion, because there were two historical names for East, both are in game, and another set of systems named after Aristotles compass… which casts doubt on this whole concept.

However, there is another system, very far down below the Lost Realms, right by the first leg of the Brookes Tour by Michel, it’s an Egyptian deity that denotes the protector of the East gate…this when seen in comparison with the Greek compass - I feel its technically in the correct alignment to denote that the Greek compass traditional East is correct in game (green).

My speculation of the gate being in the West, is based solely upon one interpretation of Milton’s text, and an assumption that the Morrigans are likewise, themselves being to the West are linked to the Starship One mystery which I feel is somehow linked to Raxxla.. Other academic sources advocate the gate may be to the East.

I think the West of the wall, or the ‘brow’ is somewhere between Jotnar and Fall… the west wind resides in this local, so does Aeolus, who kept the west wind.

This is also in game the location of the Morrigans… in their myth their Otherworld was said to be of the sea to the West also!

In opposition to this direction, to the East are the Greek Fates and Norse Norns!

If memory is correct Satan fell from a fissure or breach in the aspect of the North wall, so Fall is to the North, this does align with the in game Greek compass…

‘Farr in th' Horizon to the North appeer'd From skirt to skirt a fierie Region, stretcht In battailous aspect, and neerer view Bristl'd with upright beams innumerable Of rigid Spears, and Helmets throng'd, and Shields Various, with boastful Argument portraid, The banded Powers of Satan’ John Milton Pardise Lost.

The above passage in book VI is where the battle in heaven is described, and where Satans troops advanced. The defending troops eventually push them backwards, a fissure is created in the vast wall and Satans follower leap to their doom out of fear.

The deity Chaos said that the pendant globe was not too far off from whence he and his troop first fell…?

So it’s possible to be on the northern aspect of either the West or East wall, from where the gate is… The Empyrean is also described as being both circular and square, so there may not be any clear angle to separate them?

Again - this hypothesis is a culmination of other aspects which collectively seem to converge in this area and that many align upon what looks to be the same y;z plain, it’s very perplexing…

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Here is a quick image of the Morrigan’s / hypothetical hexagon location I’ve mapped, this time with the Greek wind compass overlaid.

Before we get into what is up/down etc, first lets us acknowledge where this Greek compass resides… it’s technically in this same location, I think this is intentional.

East is a little contentious in my opinion, but there is a system very far down below the Lost Realms, right by the first leg of the Brookes Tour by Michel, it’s an Egyptian deity that denotes the protector of the East gate…this when seen in comparison with the Greek compass - I feel is technically in the correct location for East which aligns with the Greek compass (green).

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I’ve always said, I think it’s likely in the North Western side of the wall of heaven, but I’m open to it being also the West… but the relatively small area would mean any such direction is getting rather precise..

I think the West of the wall or the brow is somewhere between Jotnar and Fall… the west wind resides in this locals does Aeolus, who kept the west wind.

If memory is correct Satan fell from a fissure or breach in the most northern aspect of the North wall, so Fall is to the North, this aligns with the Greek compass.

The deity Chaos said that the pendant globe was not too far off from whence he and his troop first fell…

So it’s possible to be on the northern aspect of the west wall, where the gate is… The Empyrean is also described as being both circular and square, so there may not be any clear angle to separate them?

The Greek wind gods are all in-game so why not stick with them? Why is East contentious?
Boreas (North) (2.9375 / 64.96875 / -7.65625)
Zephyrus (West) (-21.84375 / 12.59375 / -60.75)
Notus (South) (-62.78125 / -19 / 4.90625)
Eurus (East) (26.09375 / -39.09375 / -45.75)

 

[Rochester]

The Greek wind gods are all in-game so why not stick with them? Why is East contentious?
Boreas (North) (2.9375 / 64.96875 / -7.65625)
Zephyrus (West) (-21.84375 / 12.59375 / -60.75)
Notus (South) (-62.78125 / -19 / 4.90625)
Eurus (East) (26.09375 / -39.09375 / -45.75)

That’s true, now edited.

I only say contentious because my research indicates that East had at least two names historically, and both are in game. I’m just trying to inject a little doubt to my data, I’m trying not to get too biased about it.

I want Cmdrs to challenge it, by doing so it either identifies its potentially wrong, or it corroborates it. O7

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Challenge & discussion is the heart of the scientific method!!

 

[Rochester]

I remembered Beyond - Chapter Four - Exploration Reveal18Oct2018 : @1:29:58 Adam Bourke-Waite (Senior Designer) said “that thing we haven’t shown” (Raxxla codex entry) “there’s elements of that that are probably my favourite parts of this”... .

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtmmmP_waf4&list=PL7glm5rbPHKw5-Bx_eQuz3SX7-dyAiyJh&index=9&pp=iAQB
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SO I suspect that when/if we find Raxxla the graphics sequence will be amazing.

Do we have a breakdown on exactly ‘what’ Adam Bourke-Waite (Senior Designer) helped build? Eg graphics etc or was it wide ranging?

I’ve always liked that Dev video segment, it’s a really positive aspect to the quest, it shows how Devs felt about it.

Given Arthurs later comments I do wonder if it’s something graphical or momentous as with the outcome from the Mealstroms?

“It’s there. Clearly it’s there. I’ve said this in another stream, I’ll say it today, it’s been going a longtime. The payoff would have to be great, and that’s all I will say on it”.

Arthur used a series of words in reputation during that interview which marry to his description of the then new narrative… payoff - huge etc which always made me wonder if it could be some type of graphical showstopper?

I feel some love was put into it.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

No idea who did what within FD. The only thing I can suggest is do an "everywhere" Forum search on his name and see what comments he posted, and maybe on the FD yt vids.

 

[Rochester]

Post by and shared from @CMDR W3L5H DR4G0N via the IRH Discord channel, where they had a discussion with the artist Luciana Nedelea about M Brookes book/tattoo design:

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Post by and shared from @CMDR W3L5H DR4G0N via the IRH Discord channel, where they had a discussion with the artist Luciana Nedelea:

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So, we actually have an explanation for the Brookes tattoo. Wow. That is awesome. That said, would get too hung up on dualism. I say this because my reading of Holdstock and Brookes showes an emphasis on non-duality. Example, Kore/Persephone is both goddess of spring and a Chthonic deity. Gaea is similarly a universal mother and destroyer. Michael Brookes wrote a trilogy called The Third Path. This third path is reiterated in-game with the Alliance which attempts to balance the best and worst of it sibling superpowers.

In truth, from a RP-perspective, I feel almost like Lucifer here. As many of you are aware, my character goes by the nickname "Morningstar". This was actually a homage to being the community's angel and devil. You cannot appreciate the light without darkness. Even my recent initiative PAX INTER ASTRA sounds a whole lot like INRA (albeit a more ethically-inclined version).

This is why I ultimately became an advocate of the idea that The Dark Wheel and The Club are one and the same. In other words, balancing between extremes is the key.

Nondualism - Wikipedia

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Monism - Wikipedia

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Religious syncretism - Wikipedia

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[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Going back to a mythological analogy: the Olympic Pantheon could not have won against the Titans without either (or both depending on the version) the Titannesses Hekate and Nyx. The fighting must end. We are dealing with two sides of the same coin.

 

[Rochester]

The reference to Satan creating his version of heaven, marries with Milton’s conception of hell, in that it was a perverted version of heaven, except it had no perverted version of Eden.

Brookes book image construction might make sense of why in game, the Lost Realms are in the Underworld.

Technically the concept of a punitive hell is relatively Christian, most other faiths it was a mixture, collectively they all seemed to share this concept of an ‘Otherworld’.

In Paradise Lost Milton draws from pre-Christian faiths to represent them as either fallen archangels or primordial deities of creation - as old as his god, if not older.

Robert Holstock in his book Lost Realms, draws upon this and provides the analysis that these realms were alternate examples of Eden…visa versa, drawing upon some shared race-memory.

This might make sense of why in game the Lost Realms are in the Underworld, but I couldn’t understand why there seemed to be so much detail in game to establish an Empyrean; let alone hint at a Miltonian model if there was so much detail placed upon the underworld?

Brookes description of his books plot, follows the above description from the artist, that the universe was created not by god, but something older…so if Brookes was marrying various mythos this ‘mirroring’ in game might begin to make sense..

This is what I saw in the Lost Realms - in game, a sort of mirror image of the heavens…

At first I thought Raxxla might logically be in the Lost Realms, hidden in the middle of other Edens… maybe it is? But in Paradise Lost Eden was no where near the Underworld, Milton was VERY specific in his placement of Eden as being linked to the Empyrean…

After the second fall the Earth in its Pendant Globe is linked to Hell, by Satans viaduct, technically becoming a perverse Eden… wait oh I see now… and by the end of Milton’s text God removed the garden from Earth and places it in/above heaven/or leaves it in its original place… not certain…

But then I began to see this weird mirroring.. I couldn’t explain it, until now.

I do believe more and more Brookes embedded his book template into game. The question remains is Raxxla in the Empyrean or in Hell?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

The reference to Satan creating his version of heaven, marries with Milton’s conception of hell, in the it was a perverted version of heaven.

It might make sense of why in game, the Lost Realms are in the Underworld.

Technically the concept of a punitive hell is relatively Christian, most other faiths it was a mixture, collectively they all seemed to share this concept of an ‘Otherworld’.

Robert Holstock in his book Lost Realms, draws upon this and provides the analysis that these realms were examples of an Eden…

This might make sense of why in game the Lost Realms are in the Underworld, but I couldn’t understand why there was so much detail in game to form an Empyrean; or hint at a Miltonian model.

Brookes description of his books plot, follows the above description from the artist, that the universe was created not by god, but something older…so if Brookes was marrying various mythos this ‘mirroring’ makes sense..

This is what I saw in the Lost Realms - in game, a sort of mirror image of the heavens…

At first I thought Raxxla might logically be in the Lost Realms, hidden in the middle of other Edens… maybe it is? But then I began to see this weird mirroring.. I couldn’t explain it until now.

I do believe more and more Brookes embedded his book template into game.

Given your research, it may be beneficial to read Michael Brookes' "Paradise Lost - The greatest story ever told" from his website. This additionally fits very nicely with Gnostic Cosmology. The early monotheistic movements had concepts called the Monad, Aeons, and Demiurge.

 

[Rochester]

Given your research, it may be beneficial to read Michael Brookes' "Paradise Lost - The greatest story ever told" from his website. This additionally fits very nicely with Gnostic Cosmology. The early monotheistic movements had concepts called the Monad, Aeons, and Demiurge.

I’m well aware of Brookes blog, been following it for a very long time O7. This is probably true, but I try not to overthink this (?!!) and follow the data as much as I can. I think Brookes mixed his sources creatively - which is great but it leaves it open to interpretation if you don’t give an explanation of the exact source material.. normally that would get explained through reading the full work… of course we don’t have that luxury… as I suspect FD might have axed the original narrative, so all we have is this architecture…but no plan on it’s finished design… maybe that’s what Raxxla is, what if it is a state of cosmic enlightenment which explains this cosmology?

One potential short-cut answer might probably be - Guardians made humans, but the Thargoids were really here first, and the Guardians were just interlopers / false gods…that basically follows Brooks unwritten book plot… maybe Raxxla is just that proof?

That follows Ram Tahs interpretation of the Guardian archives,,,

Take note it’s also basically implied via certain sources, that FD may have diverted from an original narrative, then maybe simplified it… Raxxla might just be the ‘original’ more complex origin of a story we are already (now) aware of…the template Brookes wrote?

 

[Planewalker]

Super cool that the "Whisperers in withspace" have been found along with the "Sirens Call".
-images in witchspace and the signal respectively.

"Jewel on the brow" is not something i have seen a verified argument for so far.
Deciphering the clues are needed to proceed along a solid path.

"More clues and it would be a spoiler" tells me we have already been presented with the needed items to solve the riddle.

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[selbie]

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Every time I see these, the first thing that comes to mind is a stick figure leaping for joy

Don't mind me, carry on...

 

[Rochester]

Super cool that the "Whisperers in withspace" have been found along with the "Sirens Call".
-images in witchspace and the signal respectively.

"Jewel on the brow" is not something i have seen a verified argument for so far.
Deciphering the clues are needed to proceed along a solid path.

"More clues and it would be a spoiler" tells me we have already been presented with the needed items to solve the riddle.

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There is a lot to unpack in this thread, and it gets a little heavy replicating everything uncovered so far, ever so often; so my apologies if I’ve skirted over or not answered everything..I’ve unpacked previously, it is a big concept.

"Jewel on the brow" has I would argue been deciphered.

The term is a poetic reference to the John Milton text of his description of what paradise/eden was in Paradise Lost; a physical crystalline sphere, holding within it the sphere’s of our universe… with our solar system at the centre.

This sphere hung by a chain from the Empyrean/heaven. Milton stated this was from the ‘brow’ of the hill that encircled heaven.

Satan upon his return journey did not know where to go, he them stumbled upon and is given direction by the entity Chaos, who calls it the pendant globe and that it hung from heaven by a chain, by this point in Milton’s text it’s technically the second time this description is used.

Satan then moves on, eventually getting to such a lofty vantage point, so as to effectively see the entirety of the Empyrean… it has the appropriate appearance of as if like a galaxy, large and expansive, with a defined border and made of light, and from his new point of view (the readers vantage point), Satan, sees the pendant universe hanging from the Empyrean, as if like a distant star as seen beside of the enormity of our moon as if see from the Earth; tiny but brilliant. In the text this is I recall the third time this description is given.

In other parts of the text the Empyrean is supposedly made of stars and living jewels, and a certain road is implied to be as if like the Milky Way, which is a classical Greek reference.

I suspect the author of the Codex was using a mixed metaphor to describe the Empyrean, as in ‘oh wow that is the mother of galaxies’ as in big / expansive.

In game there is I believe, a replication of Milton’s wider cosmology, with the Empyrean at the top. I also believe the author in game is heavily referencing the works of Robert Holdstock as in and around this Empyrean area are a number of female triad goddesses…

In Holdstock’s works he used this triad to mark the doorways to mystical secrets or referenced old Celtic creation myths…. I think the in game author has utilised this to advocate the location of Raxxla. So ‘mother of galaxies’ in game may have a dual meaning?

In game the older dark wheel missions talked about the ‘silent song of the spheres’ and of something being ‘obfuscated on the outer rim’.

In the text Satan walked upon the outer rim of the crystalline sphere on its outer rim…

Later in game within the Brookes Tours FD insert a direct quote from Paradise Lost in the same instance of them talking of Raxxla, this quotation is the description of the Pendant Globe.

So I would argue the first line of the toast is describing the pendant globe. Aka Raxxla is a type of Eden and if the quotation is used accurately in game it hangs from the Empyrean.

The last part of the toast I feel likewise is referring to the same element of the first line and probably is describing Satan as a wanderer trying to find Eden.

I also suspect the in game author is applying a dual metaphor for Satan and the epic of Gilgamesh, because that story was utilised by Holdstock, and it has has a number of mythic / classical similarities. The locations of Gilgamesh are likewise in game…and are in the upper celestial sphere closest to the hypothetical Empyrean.