The Star Citizen Thread v5

[ianw]

Yes, but it turned out that the Star Marine name was also registered by some other entity, and unlike the aforementioned MicroTech, that trademark covered use in movies and games and the like.

e: A quick search found this: https://trademarks.justia.com/854/51/star-marine-85451490.html

That's the thing.

These days it takes a few seconds to do a search to check this stuff (though I cba so thanks for bothering).

So unless they made some arrangement with the registered owner or there is some other loophole it just seems bizarre for a relatively high profile project to miss something like that.

 

[Tippis]

I stand corrected! Didn't know about legal nonsense with CIG.

Although, if I remember how these things work, trade marks need to be defended by the holder. If that guy hasn't sued CIG then he's liable to lose it.

True, but then, CIG has to actually produce something that can be sued over first, so the bell hasn't even struck noon yet in this particular duel.

 

[Alien]

So I thought I'd give flying a ship in Star Citizen a go.

I couldn't get in my ship on the Crusader, so I had to reload the game. This involved the game actually crashing when I tried to exit it, and me turning the PC off and turning it on again because I couldn't alt-tab out or bring up task manager to shut the game down.

So on my second attempt, I got in my ship.
Somehow, I got it off the landing pad and flew away from the station.
I tried to set up the joystick, and despite there being an X52 profile, the joystick wouldn't work properly with the game. The pitch, yaw and roll was inverted nearly all the attempts at configuring I tried, and the throttle never once worked.

I flew back to the station using the keyboard (and not my fancy flight stick) and then could not manage to actually land on a landing pad, because the slightest touch with the station sent me spinning off in a random direction.

All this while a ships computer kept repeating stupid things that had nothing to do with what I was trying to do, or mentioning collisions which had no effect on me blowing up.

I eventually got stuck in the station somewhere. Well, I say "stuck", I could have reversed out of it, except my ship would not reverse.

Now, for the record, I am not a Star Citizen hater. I want to play it. I want to be patient. I know it's in constant development. But the thing is proving to be too dammed hard to do the simplest things.

 

[Jezzah]

It's been like this Alien for years now since Arena Commander released with the controls. It's a damned hard fight to get them configured there are a few rough guides out there that sort of help. Try a Google on those. The progress is "staggering" and not in a good way. Apparently the 3.0 release around Xmas is the magic patch though. It's all in that one apparently due to magic Germans after the magic yanks and the magic brits couldn't magic it.

 

[ZeeWolf]

Reddit just noticed this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/512ulc/whats_with_frontier_forums_sc_thread_oo/

We should never ever be cynical about trade show demonstrations ever because when you look back and see how wrong you were years from now, you'll look pretty silly. i wonder if this redditor thinks all space game forums be censored to ensure nobody says anything bad about Star Citizen or is it just until Star Citizen can stand up on it's own merits, then is it ok for people to have opinions I wonder? :-D

Not sure why the SC reddit cares so much about what a few people on the ED forum think anyway considering they were cheerfully discussing and up-voting ED's "demise" not long ago!

 

[Tippis]

Reddit just noticed this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/512ulc/whats_with_frontier_forums_sc_thread_oo/

I think someone might be a bit confused about which game is which…

Spoiler

…I think they're also a bit weak in their convictions since they've since removed that comment.

 

[snadge]

So I thought I'd give flying a ship in Star Citizen a go.

I couldn't get in my ship on the Crusader, so I had to reload the game. This involved the game actually crashing when I tried to exit it, and me turning the PC off and turning it on again because I couldn't alt-tab out or bring up task manager to shut the game down.

So on my second attempt, I got in my ship.
Somehow, I got it off the landing pad and flew away from the station.
I tried to set up the joystick, and despite there being an X52 profile, the joystick wouldn't work properly with the game. The pitch, yaw and roll was inverted nearly all the attempts at configuring I tried, and the throttle never once worked.

I flew back to the station using the keyboard (and not my fancy flight stick) and then could not manage to actually land on a landing pad, because the slightest touch with the station sent me spinning off in a random direction.

All this while a ships computer kept repeating stupid things that had nothing to do with what I was trying to do, or mentioning collisions which had no effect on me blowing up.

I eventually got stuck in the station somewhere. Well, I say "stuck", I could have reversed out of it, except my ship would not reverse.

Now, for the record, I am not a Star Citizen hater. I want to play it. I want to be patient. I know it's in constant development. But the thing is proving to be too dammed hard to do the simplest things.

The PU is terribad atm, use solo hack on PU for a bit exploration and to learn flight mechanics, they are tricky, not everyone is happy with the fast paced FM in SC, I am though, it makes sense when you can incorporate with cruise mode and decoupled flight in PU ( bit like flight assist in ED), the thing that would make my day is if they extended the Arena Maps to allow for cruise flight.


I do not use hotas but twin sticks which allows you to abuse the 6DoF.

Does your amount of cash persist between game sessions in offline mode?

Yes but you cannot make money if using solo hack. Money you make in the standard PU will still be there after you log back into standard after solo.


I will add that I'm a PvPer at heart, I would have loved to play this sort of gameplay in ED but CTQ is terrible, arena commander blows it out of the water for that type of gameplay and I have no desire to PvP in open against engineered opponents, I have no desire to use engineers so my gameplay is solo only.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Reddit just noticed this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/512ulc/whats_with_frontier_forums_sc_thread_oo/

That reddit topic is great, loads of SC fanatics ranting cartman-style at everyone.

 

[Stigbob]

I think someone might be a bit confused about which game is which…

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/R3It9vt.png

…I think they're also a bit weak in their convictions since they've since removed that comment.

That poster is always good for a laugh, he's been banned from the ED subreddit so he can only attack ED in threads elsewhere now. He gets very angry indeed about yaw, uses the nonsense phrase poppy-cutters to excess and thinks manual loading of cargo is the main area where SC excels in comparison to ED.

 

[Godsailsaqueen]

That poster is always good for a laugh, he's been banned from the ED subreddit so he can only attack ED in threads elsewhere now. He gets very angry indeed about yaw, uses the nonsense phrase poppy-cutters to excess and thinks manual loading of cargo is the main area where SC excels in comparison to ED.

He's right about the goal of the game though : posting screenshots of colored spheres 24/7

 

[frostypaw]

I think someone might be a bit confused about which game is which…

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/R3It9vt.png

…I think they're also a bit weak in their convictions since they've since removed that comment.

I've not heard anyone hyping Braben's junk, or posting his coloured spheres here

 

[Stigbob]

He's right about the goal of the game though : posting screenshots of colored spheres 24/7

Bauble simulator.

 

[Tippis]

That poster is always good for a laugh, he's been banned from the ED subreddit so he can only attack ED in threads elsewhere now. He gets very angry indeed about yaw, uses the nonsense phrase poppy-cutters to excess and thinks manual loading of cargo is the main area where SC excels in comparison to ED.

Yeah, the whole poppy-cutter business is particularly funny. I get that they reference tall poppy syndrome, but it's hilarious how they've managed to at once both find the expression and completely misunderstand its meaning.

The logic is supposed to be that people talk down SC because they're somehow jealous of the “success” and of this unfinished, unreleased, bug-infested jank fest being, and of how it's being “classified as better” than… who knows what — it's definitely not a case of being critical to how the game continues to be a mess even after years and years of blown deadlines and broken promises. No, it's all envy. Somehow. [haha]

 

[ianw]

Yeah, the whole poppy-cutter business is particularly funny. I get that they reference tall poppy syndrome, but it's hilarious how they've managed to at once both find the expression and completely misunderstand its meaning.

The logic is supposed to be that people talk down SC because they're somehow jealous of the “success” and of this unfinished, unreleased, bug-infested jank fest being, and of how it's being “classified as better” than… who knows what — it's definitely not a case of being critical to how the game continues to be a mess even after years and years of blown deadlines and broken promises. No, it's all envy. Somehow. [haha]

This - you just posted exactly what I was thinking of posting.

Then I remembered I had a cold beer on the go and got distracted.

 

[Zetta]

What I don't get about posters in that reddit thread is the hypocrisy. I refuse to believe that people are unaware of how their criticism can easily be turned about face.

People (even now) moan about the release trailer but will use things like SC's pre-vis trailers as existence of gameplay or tout the Gamescom stream as representing what Star Citizen is, rather than what it wants to be.
People want to criticise Frontier for selling expansions but have no problem supporting CIG selling singular game assets for ridiculous prices and encouraging others to buy them.
They want to use the late release of Elite as proof that Frontier are not an organised company while ignoring that all the release dates that CIG have repeatedly missed, numerous times.

It's disconcerting when people extollling themselves as the voice of reason are as biased as you can get.

 

[Asp Explorer]

No, it's all envy. Somehow. [haha]

I particularly love some of the earlier comments on the web about people backing the "wrong" game, about not being able to afford Space Games, buying very expensive jpegs, not being able to fly those jpegs and so spending more cash on flyable jpegs, moaning that other Space Games offer absolutely no gameplay for vast sums of cash, and then revealing they are living well below the poverty line and literally begging for donations.

No naming and shaming - but you'll find it easily enough

 

[ianw]

What I don't get about posters in that reddit thread is the hypocrisy. I refuse to believe that people are unaware of how their criticism can easily be turned about face.

People (even now) moan about the release trailer but will use things like SC's pre-vis trailers as existence of gameplay or tout the Gamescom stream as representing what Star Citizen is, rather than what it wants to be.
People want to criticise Frontier for selling expansions but have no problem supporting CIG selling singular game assets for ridiculous prices and encouraging others to buy them.
They want to use the late release of Elite as proof that Frontier are not an organised company while ignoring that all the release dates that CIG have repeatedly missed, numerous times.

It's disconcerting when people extollling themselves as the voice of reason are as biased as you can get.

I particularly love some of the earlier comments on the web about people backing the "wrong" game, about not being able to afford Space Games, buying very expensive jpegs, not being able to fly those jpegs and so spending more cash on flyable jpegs, moaning that other Space Games offer absolutely no gameplay for vast sums of cash, and then revealing they are living well below the poverty line and literally begging for donations.

No naming and shaming - but you'll find it easily enough

I've long been at the point where I can only skim read that stuff for a few seconds before I lose the will to continue reading.

Same as I haven't been able to watch any of the shows (official or fan based) about SC.

The best I can do is look at a specific example linked or small snippet of footage - the rest is just - gah....

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

Actually, MicroTech® produces knives, coins, and combs with no compromises on quality and innovation.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Y51NaMT.jpg

Let's also hope they've developed a sense of humour and/or proportion and don't pursue that registered trademark too vigorously. [big grin]

Well I don't know if real life knife company's and virtual sci-fi gadgets connect in terms of "law" but in the Star Citizen Universe knifes are made by Ultiflex it seems, maybe they get sued in-the-verse [big grin]

Plenty of other here: http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Weapon_Manufacturers

 

[Skizomeuh]

Physics fidelity : https://youtu.be/rhxC23Tsg1s?t=17m10s

 

[Tippis]

Well I don't know if real life knife company's and virtual sci-fi gadgets connect in terms of "law" but in the Star Citizen Universe knifes are made by Ultiflex it seems, maybe they get sued in-the-verse [big grin]

https://cdna2.artstation.com/p/asse...arge/aaron-deleon-sc-knife-661.jpg?1465765961
Plenty of other here: http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Weapon_Manufacturers

Seems reasonable. Cut your enemies with pavement.