The Star Citizen Thread v5

[ianw]

How long before we can hold CR to account?

I mean it's been 5 years so far but he talked about a 10 year plan so is it another 5 years?

(apologies to David Robert Jones)

Pushing thru the market square
so many whales sighing
News had just come over,
we had five years left to cry in

Derek wept and told us
SC was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet
then I knew he was not lying

 

[briguy168]

But it also doesn't mean that they're NOT in financial trouble. They won't release their finances so either situation is possible.

If their financials were fine, releasing the data would squash a lot of rumours (and be a courtesy to backers who have paid for this game).

So we are in agreeance that no one can make any claim for or against so it's again subjective opinion instead of objective fact. Funny how all of these points go back to this....

 

[Marak]

Ah end sorry Marak if what i wrote before seem to be pointed at you it was more of a general thing...

No worries mate - I got what you were saying

 

[Marak]

So we are in agreeance that no one can make any claim for or against so it's again subjective opinion instead of objective fact. Funny how all of these points go back to this....

I agree that there is no evidence that CIG is in financial trouble, and there is also no evidence that CIG is financially stable.

The fact that CIG DON'T release financial data is a little worrying though, it would put a lot of backers at ease and stop a lot of rumours. The argument that it may give an advantage to competitors is rubbish - salaries are common knowledge and most other game developers are publicly traded companies who have to release financial data.

If CIG were doing fine financially, there's no reason not to release the data, the fact that they don't speaks volumes.

 

[FuriousMeow]

Did I specifically call you out that you labeled this game as a scam.....no. I said that if you believe it's a scam, I know it's hard to keep up but do try.

Or it could be that they just want to secure funding so that they don't have to worry about running out of money. Just because they choose to keep on selling ships doesn't mean that's indicative of them being in financial trouble. That my internet friend is called projecting your opinion and touting it as fact, which is where my primary beef lives. But why do I even bother trying to respond to you because you don't want to listen to reason or any reasonable explanation because you have it in your head that CIG is acting all nefarious and want so much for it to be true to vindicate this very weird obsession.

You replied specifically to me. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

They had enough to finish the game at $60 million, but they keep selling more and stating that without more they can't finish the game. But whatever it is the typical route - obfuscate, deflect, excuse and ignore the reality of the situation.

Very weird obsession on what I bought with my money, and a very weird obsession on why it is so terribly difficult to obtain refunds from what I purchased from a "company" doing so well that it is only selling ships it can't even make right now because they need to secure funding for all development of SC and SQ42 supposedly totally covered over $60million ago. Words straight from CR himself. Why do they need to secure another $60million and more if it was securely funded $60 million previously? JEBUS TAP DANCING CRICKETS.

Please do try to keep up, I think the turnip cart left you behind.

 

[AJW]

My purpose is to have a conversation about Star Citizen and it's development without all the unsubstantiated crap; you know an OBJECTIVE discussion. Nothing more and nothing less but I know this will never happen because this is the internet and some think that their opinion matters on an internet forum.

Objectively, there is little to discuss, beyond noting that an awful lot of people have paid an awful lot of money for a project which is currently scheduled to deliver something-or-other at some indefinite time in the future. And if one is seeking objectivity, I'd have to suggest that it is more likely to be found in people who haven't been involved in funding this whatever-it-is.

 

[ianw]

Did I specifically call you out that you labeled this game as a scam.....no. I said that if you believe it's a scam, I know it's hard to keep up but do try.

Or it could be that they just want to secure funding so that they don't have to worry about running out of money. Just because they choose to keep on selling ships doesn't mean that's indicative of them being in financial trouble. That my internet friend is called projecting your opinion and touting it as fact, which is where my primary beef lives. But why do I even bother trying to respond to you because you don't want to listen to reason or any reasonable explanation because you have it in your head that CIG is acting all nefarious and want so much for it to be true to vindicate this very weird obsession.

Previously Chris said they had enough money to finish the game.

Chris has said recently that they need continued funding to continue with the project.

Not that much changed between those times other than they took a lot more money.

And they kept redoing stuff because Chris.

Why would they worry about running out of money if they knew what they wanted to do and had a plan to do it effectively?

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but I know this will never happen because this is the internet and some think that their opinion matters on an internet forum.

This admission perfectly summarises the triumph of hope over experience that so many citizens are afflicted by. They know it will never happen but they just can't let it go.

 

[FuriousMeow]

And Briguy, if you are confused about the "mental issues" that I called you out on and apparently you forgot - it also looks like that post was deleted but the quotes aren't.

Man you all need to get your heads examined. This is some Illuminati level conspiracy bull being posted. I mean I feel like I've been reading rants from this guy:

If you even think for a second that anyone within those studios would keep quiet about a scam this big you may need to take a healthy dose of Olanzapine to cure those voices. I mean Jesus, can we have some conversation that doesn't boarder on schizophrenic theories or hair-brained musings that have little objectivity?

You are the one that said it.

 

[briguy168]

I agree that there is no evidence that CIG is in financial trouble, and there is also no evidence that CIG is financially stable.

The fact that CIG DON'T release financial data is a little worrying though, it would put a lot of backers at ease and stop a lot of rumours. The argument that it may give an advantage to competitors is rubbish - salaries are common knowledge and most other game developers are publicly traded companies who have to release financial data.

If CIG were doing fine financially, there's no reason not to release the data, the fact that they don't speaks volumes.

Who said anything about competition, I'm talking about armchair accountants that wouldn't understand the context of the expense and would probably use that information as fuel to further their own agenda. I'm sorry but CIG has every right to not show that information and I 100% agree with that; not because I'm scared that the financial information would doom the company but because I believe in privacy (in all it's forms).

You replied specifically to me. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

They had enough to finish the game at $60 million, but they keep selling more and stating that without more they can't finish the game. But whatever it is the typical route - obfuscate, deflect, excuse and ignore the reality of the situation.

Very weird obsession on what I bought with my money, and a very weird obsession on why it is so terribly difficult to obtain refunds from what I purchased from a "company" doing so well that it is only selling ships it can't even make right now because they need to secure funding for funding supposedly totally covered over $60million ago.

Please do try to keep up, I think the turnip cart left you behind.

Right, you sure about that because below is in direct response to my earlier deleted post about scams but let's dig a bit deeper shall we

I've offered tons of facts, but as always - you just shrug them off. You and Briguy are the ones that came here with the "mental issues" accusations - not me or anyone else.

Something very interesting, this is from Theranos' wikipedia page:



Star Citizen anyone?

hmmm....interesting!

 

[frostypaw]

And like I said to Sleutelbos, that is a logical fallacy to assume that because this company turned out to be a scam that CIG will/could turn out to be a scam.

No that's called learning.

Once you learn there are email scams when someone asks you to send them £2000 so they can give you £500,000 I'd hope you question it - not use the argument you have made above.

 

[Rolan]

About the Polaris:

The Polaris is a nimble corvette-class capital ship that packs a powerful punch with a full armament of turrets and torpedoes. Intended for use as both a naval patrol ship and to serve as the flagship of militia operations, Polaris has the capacity to perform search and rescue operations, light strike missions and general security patrols. The Polaris includes the facilities to repair, rearm and refuel a single fighter, light bomber or support ship.

Source:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/promotions/rsi-polaris-presale
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[Asp Explorer]

If CIG were doing fine financially, there's no reason not to release the data, the fact that they don't speaks volumes.

They still haven't paid HMRC bills

1 charge registered
1 outstanding, 0 satisfied, 0 part satisfied
Charge code 0870 3814 0001
Created
23 January 2015
Delivered
28 January 2015
Status
Outstanding

 

[Artemus]

About the Polaris:


Source:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/promotions/rsi-polaris-presale
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/jv2ayxfguiu57r/source/Polaris-Landed.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/CDnS4jZ.jpg

Yikes! What in the world are they thinking??! 13-24 crew?! 5 people on the bridge 1 engineering, 1 torp room....They are going the military route I pointed out a few 10's-100's pages back. If this ship or really any capital ship gets released they'll refactor this layout so so fast.

Thanks again Rolan! You rock!

 

[frostypaw]

OK let's be objective.

Of the basics promised from the kickstarter:
Roles: Only minor missions and 'jackass'
so <5% of that

Ships: Quite a few, but none fully fleshed out and working so
<5%

Systems: a tiny fraction of one system seems ready say 10%, out of a promised 100 systems
so 10% of 1%

Sq42: nothing to show in beta/alpha or otherwise, not a peep of avocado testing
?% but looks like 0%

so we're looking at well under 0.1% completion so far for 5 years and $150m funding.

Objectively it looks horrible. I prefer it when we're a bit more subjective, at least it's colourful.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Thanks again Rolan! You rock!

Indeed, thanks Rolan! I wonder when Mr Nowak will come back.

 

[Maruun]

OK let's be objective.

Of the basics promised from the kickstarter:
Roles: Only minor missions and 'jackass'
so <5% of that

Ships: Quite a few, but none fully fleshed out and working so
<5%

Systems: a tiny fraction of one system seems ready say 10%, out of a promised 100 systems
so 10% of 1%

Sq42: nothing to show in beta/alpha or otherwise, not a peep of avocado testing
?% but looks like 0%

so we're looking at well under 0.1% completion so far for 5 years and $150m funding.

Objectively it looks horrible. I prefer it when we're a bit more subjective, at least it's colourful.

Oi...

thats what we should do here, no questions asked.
We only see what CR shows us.
We only hear what he says to us.
We only speak in his favor.

Edit: Just remembered how it really goes its late okay...

 

[knowles2]

My purpose is to have a conversation about Star Citizen and it's development without all the unsubstantiated crap; you know an OBJECTIVE discussion. Nothing more and nothing less but I know this will never happen because this is the internet and some think that their opinion matters on an internet forum.

That only possible if CIG was fully open with players, any information remotely negative has to pulled out of CIG with a pair of pliers.

 

[briguy168]

That only possible if CIG was fully open with players, any information remotely negative has to pulled out of CIG with a pair of pliers.

And that's how it should be. CIG has the right to not disclose anything they don't want to just like you have the right to not back/donate/purchase to/from them.

 

[Asp Explorer]

And that's how it should be. CIG has the right to not disclose anything they don't want to just like you have the right to not back/donate/purchase to/from them.

The very definition of Open Development! Oh - I'm going to need another lulzbucket.

Buy a Polaris!

 

[Maruun]

The very definition of Open Development! Oh - I'm going to need another lulzbucket.

Buy a Polaris!

Its really hilarious, i remember CR mail everybody got from him that backed SC that time.
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You’ve pledged your money to earn your Citizenship.

Now it’s our turn.

We, the Star Citizen team at Cloud Imperium, hereby promise to deliver the game you expect. You, the tens of thousands of pledgers, have allowed us to cut out the big publisher and build the game on our terms. To let us focus on quality free of the pressure to deliver by a certain financial quarter. To nurture a new original IP. To put fun ahead of shareholder profits.

We, the Developer, intend to treat you with the same respect we would give a publisher. You will receive regular updates about the progress of the game. We will do a show and tell for each major milestone. Your voice will be heard and represented in our development docs and our feature wish list. You will see art and video and learn about how we intend to implement gameplay mechanics well before the rest of the world. The website will be updated and the community will be maintained. Though the limitations of technology may slow us, we will always do the best for you: if it breaks, we will fix it.

There may be delays and there may be changes; we recognize that such things are inevitable and would be lying to you if we claimed otherwise. But when this happens, we will treat you with the respect you deserve rather than spending your money on public relations. When we need to change a mechanic or alter something you believe should be in the game, we will tell you exactly why.

Your support over the past month has been incredible. You’ve done your part, and we will now do our utmost to live up to your expectations. We will build you the game you are dreaming about.

Signed,
Chris Roberts and the Cloud Imperium Team

Chris Roberts has no respect for any publishers...and he treats the backers the same way as publishers...moneyspenders. And avoid being hold accountable for what he used the money for.

But in order to find out about problems that happens or what happend to Star Marine...we had to dig trough 3rd persons...or even wait a years and several months of "investigations" from a magazin to get a clear answer what went wrong.
Its like a publisher had to hire a detective to find out where the developer has gone after taking the money...