What if we got something to do with the Thargoids that wasn't just killing them?

Anyway, back to the topic...

One Titan has already been killed, another is quickly on it's way to suffering the same fate of being killed for wanting to defend it's species from genocidal maniacs.

And don't try to pretend that label doesn't apply to humanity, humanity has committed numerous unprovoked attacks against Thargoids, then when the Thargoids showed they were more than capable of defending and retaliating against the attacks, humanity desperately threw out biological weapons against the Thargoid species. The Thargoid species were decimated by this bioweapon and disappeared from known history.

Then they returned 300 years later (I think? Not clear on the timelines), with entirely passive reactions to human pilots. They would merely hyperdict (later shutdown pulse), scan, then go about their business if nothing of interest was found.

And yes I've heard the terrible argument before that "hyperdictions are a hostile act! Using their shutdown field is a hostile act! Scanning us unpermitted is a hostile act!". But I mean... is it really? When you're pulled over by police on the roadside, what happens? The cops 'hyperdict' you (stop your vehicle hopefully politely), 'shutdown' you (ask for the car to be turned off), then 'scan' by asking questions and such.

Every interaction between Thargoids and Humanity has always ended in humanity deciding that they want more and don't care that another race has already claimed that space. As I believe someone in this thread said earlier:

Take the Pleiades nebula for example, when evidence of Thargoid presence was discovered, then their ships were sighted again in the area, did humanity back off as a gesture of goodwill, showing that they didn't mean to invade another species space? No, we doubled down, built occupying settlements in their territory, established military presences over their claimed resources, attacked any thargoids that appeared...
It's the Thargoids who abduct humans in the millions for unspeakable experiments and abuse. It's not even a question anymore whether they are aggressors or not. They implant moles in human societies to sway public opnion and soften their resolve. A bit like genestealers do in WH40K. These mind controlled drones then would attempt to influence public opinion about Thargoids being peaceful and harmless.
 
It's the Thargoids who abduct humans in the millions for unspeakable experiments and abuse.
That is probably because we haven’t figured out how to do more than a biopsy on the fly.

It's not even a question anymore whether they are aggressors or not. They implant moles in human societies to sway public opnion and soften their resolve. A bit like genestealers do in WH40K. These mind controlled drones then would attempt to influence public opinion about Thargoids being peaceful and harmless.
Isn’t that all forum speculation rather than released in game content at the moment.
 
Not hyperdicting us would be a good start.
Followed by an attempt to communicate.
"'Sup, human, we are a hyper advanced alien race from a galaxy far far away, we have literally colonized 68900358 spiral galaxies so far, but we can't live without these super important ammonia planets in your backyard, hope y'all don't mind."
 
Not hyperdicting us would be a good start.
Outside of the ongoing war they only do this in their territories (Pleiades, Witchhead, California, Coalsack), if you have flagged yourself by picking up and transporting thargoid artifacts.

Basically they only randomly stop and search known thieves.
 
Not hyperdicting us would be a good start.
And then you’d still be here complaining if they instead interdicted you in the system like police, or military forces during wartime, would. But I don’t see anyone calling that an aggressive act anywhere.

Isn’t that all forum speculation rather than released in game content at the moment.
Yes, it is. There is zero indication of the abducted being harmful right now, people have just worked themselves into “It has to be bad and there is no other way”. I say stay somewhat cautious but until something is proven to be wrong*, why should they be treated like they’re infectious by everyone for months on end?

*I remain convinced that our own actions regarding the Titans is what will ultimately force the Thargoids into more drastic measures instead of whatever they originally had in mind for those people.

Meanwhile -
Is it wrong to want them to get slapped in the face for this?

“We did a great job killing the massive alien ship that was likely highly unique and either took really long to make or existed for an extremely long time! Now let’s go prod its corpse so we can make better guns and further our own technology in ways we shouldn’t yet be able to.”
 
And then you’d still be here complaining if they instead interdicted you in the system like police, or military forces during wartime, would. But I don’t see anyone calling that an aggressive act anywhere.
Well it is an aggressive act if done by some nobody in peaceful space I.E. the Thargoids, the Pleiades.
 
Not hyperdicting us would be a good start.
How is that going to stop us taking their stuff? Still sounds like the Thargoids literally aren't allowed to do anything if it gets in our way. Somehow I can't see the same criteria being applied the other way around, it certainly wasn't in this conflict
 
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How is that going to stop us taking their stuff?
It's not, the Thargoids need a better plan.

Perhaps they should collect all their barnacles then head home after setting the detonation of the Spires and Titan remains releasing a super anti guardian tech field that covers a sphere centred on the Titans and reaching out past the Witch Head.
 
How is that going to stop us taking their stuff?
I don't think there is any point, there is always the cry" we didn't do Nuffin Guv" . Humans have the ability to see themselves as only the innocent bystanders.
Anything different is dangerous and should be wiped out ... Because we assume that thargs would have the same attitudes as humans , vicious, self serving, deceitful monsters. Scared of someone or something different ?? Even the guardian ai wiped out the guardians because they were worse than the thargoids . With any luck humanity will follow the same path and the universe will breath a sigh of relief ??
 
And then you’d still be here complaining if they instead interdicted you in the system like police, or military forces during wartime, would. But I don’t see anyone calling that an aggressive act anywhere.


Yes, it is. There is zero indication of the abducted being harmful right now, people have just worked themselves into “It has to be bad and there is no other way”. I say stay somewhat cautious but until something is proven to be wrong*, why should they be treated like they’re infectious by everyone for months on end?

*I remain convinced that our own actions regarding the Titans is what will ultimately force the Thargoids into more drastic measures instead of whatever they originally had in mind for those people.

Meanwhile -
Is it wrong to want them to get slapped in the face for this?

“We did a great job killing the massive alien ship that was likely highly unique and either took really long to make or existed for an extremely long time! Now let’s go prod its corpse so we can make better guns and further our own technology in ways we shouldn’t yet be able to.”
Abduction is a crime in itself and a systematic aggression. It doesn't matter if the abductees are used for sinister purposes. Mass displacement is a capital crime against humanity. You maybe need to get your priorities more straight.
 
Abduction is a crime in itself and a systematic aggression. It doesn't matter if the abductees are used for sinister purposes. Mass displacement is a capital crime against humanity. You maybe need to get your priorities more straight.
Or maybe you shouldn’t also then immediately assume they are going to be used as spies, saboteurs or ‘negative influences’ immediately with exactly zero evidence to back up that claim.

Which, by the way, is actually what people criticized about your post. I’ve yet to see anyone actually endorse the abductions and I sure as hell am not either.

So who needs to get their priorities straight and not make rude posts insinuating something that is completely wrong or baseless?

Oh, and good goal post moving so you don’t actually have to address the criticism.
 
Or maybe you shouldn’t also then immediately assume they are going to be used as spies, saboteurs or ‘negative influences’ immediately with exactly zero evidence to back up that claim.

Which, by the way, is actually what people criticized about your post. I’ve yet to see anyone actually endorse the abductions and I sure as hell am not either.

So who needs to get their priorities straight and not make rude posts insinuating something that is completely wrong or baseless?

Oh, and good goal post moving so you don’t actually have to address the criticism.
FD didn't have said anything yet about the purpose of the abductions so I used my imagination to paint a possible cause. In terms of meta purpose I think it's quite evident that the Thargoids are used as evil party for players to direct violence against without having to have any moral scruples. There never was a way to interact peacefully and there never will be. Thargoids are the antagonists in this game.
 
FD didn't have said anything yet about the purpose of the abductions so I used my imagination to paint a possible cause. In terms of meta purpose I think it's quite evident that the Thargoids are used as evil party for players to direct violence against without having to have any moral scruples. There never was a way to interact peacefully and there never will be. Thargoids are the antagonists in this game.
I’d rather argue both sides are being painted as being ‘bad’ instead of there being a clear “villain”.
 
I’d rather argue both sides are being painted as being ‘bad’ instead of there being a clear “villain”.
Both sides? This evil corporation that really got it wrong. I mean it's a popular trope to have morally grey space and we are selfish egoistic apes but the clean way is USS Enterprise and not mass abductions and hold-ups on the free roads. It's all down to non communication. If you have a problem you would communicate about it. Why don't the Thargoids communicate? (Example ) They are alien and have no concept for aliens. They regard humans as objects. The "society" of Thargoid has no concept of individuals. Humans are just drones of maybe some competing hive mind. Thargoid wants to extract the source so it can exterminate its competitor. There is no coexistence. A virus doesn't communicate neither. It's too alien.
 
See .....it's all their fault they shouldn't have left all their stuff around , they dont speak to us . They see humans as a small infestation but do they go out of their way and kill us no .
They ignore us because we don't count .We have a self inflated opinion of ourselves .
They have better tech even they gave us FSD ( ok after it had been reversed engineered after lots of experimentation on captured thargs ( didn't hear about that on falnet ??)
If thargs had set a genocidal biological weapon and killed on sight or even used "salvation" attack humans would be baying for blood . It's only after salvations failed attack that they are getting annoyed.
But as I said before the story of humanity winning against all the odds is the oldest sci fi story going, humanity wins because we'll we will do whatever it takes and we don't care how many deaths on our side , because we can blame the other side 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. It's in our history it's our make up .
 
It's not, the Thargoids need a better plan.

Perhaps they should collect all their barnacles then head home after setting the detonation of the Spires and Titan remains releasing a super anti guardian tech field that covers a sphere centred on the Titans and reaching out past the Witch Head.
It sounds a bit unreasonable to expect other races to just pack up and leave (assuming that's even possible) because we want to move in. Would it work the other way around?
 
In terms of meta purpose I think it's quite evident that the Thargoids are used as evil party for players to direct violence against without having to have any moral scruples.
If Frontier want people to not have any moral scruples, they should probably stop writing events in such a way to suggest that the military-industrial complex might be in the wrong here. Like, it wouldn't be hard. Just have the Thargoids stop waiting for provocation from the powers before retaliating. Sparing ships in hyperdictions? Hell no. Ending the attack on the Gnosis by returning the meta-alloys? Of course not. Definitely don't write stuff in where people deliberately cause Thargoid attacks for political gain. Just have them be evil bugs. It'd be so much easier.
 
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