Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

Anyways moving on what do you think about the "seasonal link" factor of dlcs? Do you think this next dlc will have a seasonal link? or they will do something rather unrelated like they did with grasslands last year? Obviously winter = cold is the most obvious logic here but... what if it was something else? Is there something else they could use as theme related to the season?
Hard to say. Normally I would say seasonal link with winter, but we’ve had 5 tropical themed content updates/packs in a row, and it’s honestly making my head hurt trying to figure this out lol. Will they break the streak or will they follow through. Ugh can’t decide.
 
is 14 animals enough to comfortable make an oceanic zoo not really
Well we all know planet zoo and frontier is leaning to the western approach to zoo design, large ABC zoos with around the world selection of animals. Australia first targeted the typical australia area you can find in a zoo, kangaroo and koala are iconic oceania animals. Grasslands and other packs solidified the need for australia animals that had vocal desires - emu and wallaby especially. Yet the need for more came, oceania was the answer for that longing desire for more animals to represent the niche of oceania even more. Making even more packs dedicated to oceania at this stage becomes favouritism full of rather niche animals to the rest of the world that will be extermely difficult to market to the casual planet zoo audience.
 
is 14 animals enough to comfortable make an oceanic zoo not really and considering the high levels of endemism oceanic zoos exhibit it isnt they may not make up a large portion of northern hemisphere zoos but this isnt northern hemisphere zoo simulator it is PLANET zoo we need more animals so that it is easily possible to build a satisfactory zoo using only oceania with the ability to not have to use every single animal.
It kinda is. Even our very own Australian friends say that all that's missing is a tree kangaroo, an echidna, a 2nd carnivorous marsupial, and a 3rd ground macropod.
But even then, most agree only the echidna and tree kangaroo are needed. As a relatively small area with unique species, Oceania is pretty well covered with their most iconic animals as well as some oddballs nobody would've thought of, like the dingo, cassowary, quokka.
I swear it sometimes feels like people wont get satisfied until they get the entire faunal complex of a certain region in the game...

Anyways moving on what do you think about the "seasonal link" factor of dlcs? Do you think this next dlc will have a seasonal link? or they will do something rather unrelated like they did with grasslands last year? Obviously winter = cold is the most obvious logic here but... what if it was something else? Is there something else they could use as theme related to the season?
I feel like it'll be something cold, not because it's winter in the northern hemisphere, but mostly because we've had 4 hot climate packs in a row plus the peccary. People have been asking for something cold, like tundra or mountains
 
I swear it sometimes feels like people wont get satisfied until they get the entire faunal complex of a certain region in the game...

Anyways moving on what do you think about the "seasonal link" factor of dlcs? Do you think this next dlc will have a seasonal link? or they will do something rather unrelated like they did with grasslands last year? Obviously winter = cold is the most obvious logic here but... what if it was something else? Is there something else they could use as theme related to the season?
If there's going to be a seasonal link for this Winter DLC, then I'm expecting it to be a Mountains or Highlands Animal Pack, with animals from snowy mountain ranges. It could also be a Taiga animal pack with species like the Wolverine and Muskox (Muskox technically can be found in some taiga regions), and since Planet Zoo's biome system includes coniferous mountain forests in the taiga biome, they could sneak in a couple of mountain animals there as well.

That being said, nothing is ever guaranteed, so Frontier might try to surprise us by going in a totally different direction with no seasonal tie-in at all.
 
Also I’ve found the reason I don’t like the Walrus.
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Basically a sea yak.
 
I swear it sometimes feels like people wont get satisfied until they get the entire faunal complex of a certain region in the game...

Anyways moving on what do you think about the "seasonal link" factor of dlcs? Do you think this next dlc will have a seasonal link? or they will do something rather unrelated like they did with grasslands last year? Obviously winter = cold is the most obvious logic here but... what if it was something else? Is there something else they could use as theme related to the season?
its a weak connection at best they have definitely done more holiday themed packs but it could be anything
Not a zoo entirely, but a lot of players don’t make strictly Oceania zoos, sure some do, but I think the initial goal was to have enough for an Oceania section in a zoo.
its a global zoo game you should be able to make global zoos or else dont call it planet zoo
It kinda is. Even our very own Australian friends say that all that's missing is a tree kangaroo, an echidna, a 2nd carnivorous marsupial, and a 3rd ground macropod.
But even then, most agree only the echidna and tree kangaroo are needed. As a relatively small area with unique species, Oceania is pretty well covered with their most iconic animals as well as some oddballs nobody would've thought of, like the dingo, cassowary, quokka.

I feel like it'll be something cold, not because it's winter in the northern hemisphere, but mostly because we've had 4 hot climate packs in a row plus the peccary. People have been asking for something cold, like tundra or mountains
We only need like 5 more animals for oceania enough to comfortably build a zoo you even said it yourself a tree kangaroo echidna a carnivore and a kangaroo then there is enough animals to make a small zoo with some options.
 
Do you think we can get announcement this month? :eek:

I hope there is monkey! Or bird in pack. :)
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Possible. It depends how much time frontier will spend for animal presentations on social media.
No. The release date will probably be the 19th or 21st of December. We won't get an announcement until the week before then, so mid-December.
I think Release will be one week earlier as it was always the second tuesday in December within the Last 3 years (Arctic Pack was the only Pack which was released later). Thats why I expect the 12th of December as Release date and announcement could be around 2 weeks earlier at the end of November/start of December.
 
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No we don’t, we’re good.

The tree roo and echidna are not needed, they’re not essential, they’re just wants. Oceania does not have any essential animals left.
I also See the Echidna and Tree Kangaroo as the most essential misses for Oceania. And I never understand why people argue too much about subjective opinions. What one person finds essential the other one does not. There will be no change in view. At the end of the day I do not See much Essential species (which are really Zoo staple animals) besides perhaps a Baboon species. Everything else are only wants. You can probably say SA needs more species but I see not really an Essential species If I have a look onto a single species en Detail.
 
The problem is that Oceania and South/Central America are practically equal in terms of the number of habitat animals. This is not the time to continue bringing secondary animals from Oceania, it is time to bring the countless essential animals from South America that are missing.

South America should have the same number of animals as Africa and Asia, not the same number of animals as Oceania and Europe.

It is worth remembering that the Dlc and support will not continue forever and ever. We have to choose our battles.
 
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The problem is that Oceania and South/Central America are practically equal in terms of the number of habitat animals. This is not the time to continue bringing secondary animals from Oceania, it is time to bring the countless essential animals from South America that are missing.

South America should have the same number of animals as Africa and Asia, not the same number of animals as Oceania and Europe.

It is worth remembering that the Dlc and support will not continue forever and ever. We have to choose our battles.
If you want to have a representational species number of a real Zoo SA would still rank far behind Asia and especially Africa. Personally I do Not mind. I care for animals I find interesting and the Echidna and the Tree Kangaroo are definetively unique and interesting to me. But nevertheless there are also a Lot of South American animals which are really interesting and (If you want to use this) have a high representation within Zoos. Thats why I Support a Latin America focused (ideally animal) Pack but not really because of regional representation. Just my Point of view.
 
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We only need like 5 more animals for oceania enough to comfortably build a zoo you even said it yourself a tree kangaroo echidna a carnivore and a kangaroo then there is enough animals to make a small zoo with some options.
No, I said that Aussies said that those 4 animals are important. I said that everyone agrees only 2 are essential. We can build a small Oceania zoo with what we have, especially since there are other animals that Australia and New Zealand hold that aren't from the area
No we don’t, we’re good.
Woah woah woah, let's not go crazy, Joker
The problem is that Oceania and South/Central America are practically equal in terms of the number of habitat animals. This is not the time to continue bringing secondary animals from Oceania, it is time to bring the countless essential animals from South America that are missing.

South America should have the same number of animals as Africa and Asia, not the same number of animals as Oceania and Europe.

It is worth remembering that the Dlc and support will not continue forever and ever. We have to choose our battles.
And this guy basically answered all our questions. South America is so lacking it's crazy
 
South America should have the same number of animals as Africa and Asia, not the same number of animals as Oceania and Europe.
No continent should have the same number of animals as Africa. Africa is extremely well represented in real zoos, and it should be the same in the game. The total roster should be like 50% African animals, 20% Asian animals, 15% South American animals (of which half should be monkeys), and 15% everything else (North America, Europe, Oceania). That would at least resemble the real-world spread of representation across global zoos, where areas dedicated to North America, Europe, and Oceania (again, on a total global scale) are few.
 
No we don’t, we’re good.

The tree roo and echidna are not needed, they’re not essential, they’re just wants. Oceania does not have any essential animals left.
I both agree and disagree my problem isnt any particular animals in the game its just volume and options right now if I launched planet zoo and decided
I wanted to build a habitat for an african antelope I would have almost the same number of options if I wanted to build an oceanic habitat thats my problem
So does that mean we need Antarctica animals since Antarctica is on the planet?
I mean I wont say no to antartictia animals but they dont represent any major presence in any zoos or are culturally significant to any particular region
The problem is that Oceania and South/Central America are practically equal in terms of the number of habitat animals. This is not the time to continue bringing secondary animals from Oceania, it is time to bring the countless essential animals from South America that are missing.

South America should have the same number of animals as Africa and Asia, not the same number of animals as Oceania and Europe.

It is worth remembering that the Dlc and support will not continue forever and ever. We have to choose our battles.
im all for south america animals it is the region in most need in terms of both volume and diversity
If you want to have a representational species number of a real Zoo SA would still rank far behind Asia and especially Africa. Personally I do Not mind. I care for animals I find interesting and the Echidna and the Tree Kangaroo are definetively unique and interesting to me. But nevertheless there are also a Lot of South American animals which are really interesting and (If you want to use this) have a high representation within Zoos. Thats why I Support a Latin America focused (ideally animal) Pack but not really because of regional representation. Just my Point of view.
I agree south america is so lacking
No continent should have the same number of animals as Africa. Africa is extremely well represented in real zoos, and it should be the same in the game. The total roster should be like 50% African animals, 20% Asian animals, 15% South American animals (of which half should be monkeys), and 15% everything else (North America, Europe, Oceania). That would at least resemble the real-world spread of representation across global zoos, where areas dedicated to North America, Europe, and Oceania (again, on a total global scale) are few.
I mostly agree with your numbers 50% african is a bit steep I would say like 25-30% around the same but slightly more than asia 15% for south america is fine north america should have 10% at least to its self due to north america zoos having alot of local animals and less than 10% each for europe and oceania but all regions antarticia exempt should have 20-30 animals minimum.
 
I’d say NZ is about right with those numbers on your bigger more popular zoos around the world. Africa has always dominated the landscape in just about every zoo. Heck our zoo is just a little city zoo and African animals dominate that it’s not even close really. African animals are just easier to gain access to in general. That’s why I’ve never been a big fan of the need more animals based on location theory as it’s just not a realistic approach on the majority of zoos.

Also the problem with the game having 20-30 animals per region is the limited slots in game. So some regions are going to lack naturally in these type of games. Also to the average casual player and zoo goers African animals are highly requested and very popular. I think the echidna for example still has a possible inclusion in game as it does fit a temperate pack atm. The tree roo I’m honestly not feeling to confident in. But if we get lucky and long term support still exists (2 yrs if we’re lucky) it’s possible.
 
No we don’t, we’re good.

The tree roo and echidna are not needed, they’re not essential, they’re just wants. Oceania does not have any essential animals left.
I said the same thing after grasslands and got torn to shreds 😂 From an international perspective oceania has been complete for a good while but I imagine the oceania players will continue to debate the fact they don't have some odd marsupial. On that same note I can't make a Scottish zoo until we get red squirrels, scottish wildcats, capercaillies and eurasian otters/beavers.
 
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