Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

Anyway, based on recent leaf tweet, it seems modders found the way to make animal pieces playing certain existing animation. And this includes exhibit animals, so overall exhibit update like this seems not so important. One could do small vivarium and put animated exhibit animal into it.
In that case, then it can be done, yes. But that still defeats the purpose. Guests aren't gonna stop and look at animatronics, they will go for animals. You can spam the vista point, but it won't do the same effect of guests donating to the animal and talking about it
 
"Britain’s “worst zoo” where nearly 500 animals died and a keeper was mauled to death failed to meet “basic standards” of animal welfare, an investigation found."

Yeah I remember reading about that gem of a zoo, there used one of those kinds of zoos near me that was shut down a decade or so back due to similar problems.
Yea it is one hell of a rabbit hole, they also had some crazy mixed exhibit involving a myriad of South American animals where if I remember correctly some of them got eaten by others.

Luckily the zoo is in much better hands these days since the owner lost control of it.
 
Anyway, based on recent leaf tweet, it seems modders found the way to make animal pieces playing certain existing animation. And this includes exhibit animals, so overall exhibit update like this seems not so important. One could do small vivarium and put animated exhibit animal into it.
Eh I'll stick to using proper animal mods for now. Using the existing construction pieces, you cannot make a small exhibit look anywhere near as good as the exhibit box. A downsized exhibit box is all we need to fix the problem and that's only something we could expect from frontier.
 
Straight up PZ2 territory. Not only frontier is lazy and not doing much nowadays, but also in one of older interviews they said:
,,we initially wanted to make them fully constructible in the same way as habitats, but that “the level of intricacy and knock-on consequences became prohibitive and led to the approach we took”.
So ya. No exhibit overhaul. Sad as it is, but one still can hope for smaller exhibit version.
Frontier is lazy why exactly? Because they are putting effort on stuff that actually matters for the game? They already explained why they are not doing it, but you instead decide to whine and call them lazy, amazing...
 
They are a for-profit business. We don't owe them gratitude. Or rather, our gratitude is the money we keep giving them. It's literally a transactional relationship.
Yeah like i'm grateful for the peccary (or any free content) and because they obviously listen yo (some, cherrypicked) community requests but the reason they keep making DLCs is because we keep buying them and they make a profit out of them.
 
You mean central asia right, because southeast asia is by far the most well represented region in the game.
yes I was referring to central asia and india
As for my opinion on the Asia needs more animals (and I’m not writing a bunch cause tbh I'm kinda over this debate)

Oceania isn’t a continent that you can compare Asia to, we have all the keystone species of Australia so Oceania is good, South America yeah that one’s pretty bad for the lack of roster.

Does SA need more of an upgrade over Asia? Sure. Can we cover two continents in the same pack? Yeah, that’s kinda the whole point of animal packs lol.

I’m really not sure what the whole point of this debate was, animal packs can cover several biomes, we can get a European animal, a couple Asian caprines, and a SA animal in the same pack and all the continents benefit.

Every continent except for NA and Oceania (black bear lovers can fight me on this) have gaps, but it’s not wrong to want those gaps filled at certain times because of the DLC we expect. In the spring we’re probably gonna be expecting SA stuff so that’ll be everyone’s main focus, but now everyone’s mostly talking about colder animals, and Asia can benefit from it.

Huh, I guess I did write a lot 😅
my biggest problem with oceania and south america is volume becasue yes we have most keystone oceanic species so representation wise it is fine but my biggest problem is this is a zoo game and I cant comfortably make a zoo for europe, oceania or south america because they just physically dont have enough animals it has nothing to do with how diverse those animals are just quantity.

in terms of which regions desperately need diversity its south america followed by asia.
True, but it's not Planet United States Zoo, it's Planet Zoo, and should be more representative of zoos as a whole. That will lead to a mixed situation with partial realism with zoos around the world - which is a good thing IMO. FWIW I'm also in the US and haven't seen many deer in zoos at all. It doesn't negate the fact that they're in zoos across the world.
THIS. My biggest problem with this community as a whole is that they keep getting stuck on what is common in the zoos of europe and north america it is a global zoo game so to actually be good at its purpose it needs to be able to accurately represent a zoo from any global region. The way people are currently viewing it is essentially looking at total number of zoos and saying whats common not looking at it regionally this unfairly biases areas with lots of zoos in a small geographic area which all house similar collections.
The vast majority of the community wants birds in the game and agree they are very much essential for the game, it's just that some people on this forum (and a loud minority either way) that are against it because they gave up their hopes.
I have given up hope even though I would love a bird pack and I fight for this view mainly to stop the people who come here with a 30 bird pack pretending its realistic and constantly getting upset. This has slowly become less of an issue and I by no means hate that people want birds just the constant cycles of rage and disappointment at not getting 20 free flying macaws in a pack were getting annoying.
This is by no means directed at you in particular.
Imo the spurred tortoise is actually severly overrated. Its just another huge, dull looking tortoise and wouldnt stand out from the other two in any meaningfull way.
I never understood why it is the most wanted tortoise when we could get something why more colorfull and different sized instead. (Edit: actually i do. pretty sure its almost entirely based on zt2 lol)
Would pick radiated, leopard or redfooted over spurred any day of the week
It may be overrated likely because of zt2 and there may be other better tortoises but dont pretend that outside of superficial looks the tortoises would be very different to build and care for living in very different climates and requiring different build styles.
I heard some PZ news before that they saw some snakes being kept in habitats,no just in exhibition box
there is I think one or 2 modded snake I know of but nothing official
YES. At the Cologne Game Show in 2019.At that time, they saw koalas, maned wolves, and beavers butterflies and habitat snakes.
At that time, none of us believed there were butterflies, but in fact, they appeared last year
I would take the animal you saw there as meaningless since it was only the development of the walkthrough exhibit box something that was definitely not planned from release that we got butterflies and habitat snakes would ultimately be too difficult.
Straight up PZ2 territory. Not only frontier is lazy and not doing much nowadays, but also in one of older interviews they said:
,,we initially wanted to make them fully constructible in the same way as habitats, but that “the level of intricacy and knock-on consequences became prohibitive and led to the approach we took”.
So ya. No exhibit overhaul. Sad as it is, but one still can hope for smaller exhibit version.
I just want different sizes which should be possible

I do think a sequel is likely and to distinguish it from planet zoo 1 and make people actually want to buy it and keep the roster fresh I think they will cover birds and better exhibits maybe aquatics as well but who knows right now there are people who would buy a sequel just for the birds a better use of small animal would be a great way to sell it further. I know people dont like hearing it but a sequel is coming probably in like 3-4 years but its coming.

also frontier is anything but lazy the quality of work on planet zoo has gone up so much since the beginning so the idea that they are not working as hard is simply untrue.
 
my biggest problem with oceania and south america is volume becasue yes we have most keystone oceanic species so representation wise it is fine but my biggest problem is this is a zoo game and I cant comfortably make a zoo for europe, oceania or south america because they just physically dont have enough animals it has nothing to do with how diverse those animals are just quantity.

in terms of which regions desperately need diversity its south america followed by asia.
But even taking quality a keystone species out of the equation, we have a lot of Oceania species. We have like 12 I believe. That’s pretty good for the smallest of the continents.
 
But even taking quality a keystone species out of the equation, we have a lot of Oceania species. We have like 12 I believe. That’s pretty good for the smallest of the continents.
is 14 animals enough to comfortable make an oceanic zoo not really and considering the high levels of endemism oceanic zoos exhibit it isnt they may not make up a large portion of northern hemisphere zoos but this isnt northern hemisphere zoo simulator it is PLANET zoo we need more animals so that it is easily possible to build a satisfactory zoo using only oceania with the ability to not have to use every single animal.
 
I swear it sometimes feels like people wont get satisfied until they get the entire faunal complex of a certain region in the game...

Anyways moving on what do you think about the "seasonal link" factor of dlcs? Do you think this next dlc will have a seasonal link? or they will do something rather unrelated like they did with grasslands last year? Obviously winter = cold is the most obvious logic here but... what if it was something else? Is there something else they could use as theme related to the season?
 
Many forget that the Planet has two hemispheres, not just one. So it could be the winter in the North, but it could very well be the summer in the South. I prefer it to be about the winter however, I want my Walrus and my Elephant Seal as soon as possible.

Let's leave the desperately needed New World Monkeys (mainly Spider and Howler Monkeys) for spring.
 
I swear it sometimes feels like people wont get satisfied until they get the entire faunal complex of a certain region in the game...

Anyways moving on what do you think about the "seasonal link" factor of dlcs? Do you think this next dlc will have a seasonal link? or they will do something rather unrelated like they did with grasslands last year? Obviously winter = cold is the most obvious logic here but... what if it was something else? Is there something else they could use as theme related to the season?
Im thinking something cold related or even continuing the specific region pack like oceania. We have had a year of warm climate packs so i personally want a change, my need for tundra and taiga animals grows by the day. Hard to tell these days, patterns are hard to predict as frontier loves to do a 180 degree turn everytime we figure out a trend.
 
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