Bring your ear plugs. FDEV has STILL not fixed the VERY LOUD engine sound on the Courier they broke in v2.1...
Would like a new, different exploration ship from FD:
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Bring your ear plugs. FDEV has STILL not fixed the VERY LOUD engine sound on the Courier they broke in v2.1...
Keep in mind that the multilroles are also way more expensive, yes credits are way too easy to get now but still. The best are also rank locked. I think that the multiroles are fine, aside from the Anaconda which is just too good at everything. Most multiroles are strong at some things but weak at others.
Translation: Leave mah Python alone!
I kind of like it, it's like flying an obnoxious sports car
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Because if you aren't going to travel in style, why bother travelling at all?
verminstar
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It was more of a rhetorical question, but now that ye mention being armed to the teeth...was it a requirement or simply or a choice? Its like the point about range...its not a requirement to be an explorer, so long as ye dont wanna go to the places where the stars thin out considerably...then its a requirement. Which means ye simply cannot have an exploration ship without a large range if its meant to explore the entire galaxy and not just everything in the middle.
An over simplification perhaps, but there it is. All my ships are unengineered...because I cant be bothered with engineers but however, different topic. So I know all about short range ships and while there are limitations, it can be rather fun finding those limitations.
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Or if "explorer" class vessels had dedicated slots, like military slots, but would only hold exploration based modules: scanners, SRV, maybe AFMU or fuel scoop.
I used to do exploration in a shield-less hauler, long ago. That was a good time.
Something medium sized that could carry npc crew would be nice... No SLF necessary, just add some exploration related npc crew stuff. Something to alter the months of silence. I'd hire a mechanic if they just commented on occasion!
The cockpit should have a clear bottom. I'd actually like to see a ship with a clear top and bottom of the cockpit, but have the canopy further back in the nose. Imagine an eagle or imp Courier if you could see through the cockpit floor.
It should be it's own canyon flier. Fast, maneuverable, one or two small weapon slots.
The cockpit should have a clear bottom. I'd actually like to see a ship with a clear top and bottom of the cockpit, but have the canopy further back in the nose. Imagine an eagle or imp Courier if you could see through the cockpit floor.
It should be it's own canyon flier. Fast, maneuverable, one or two small weapon slots.
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Thanks for the reminder, I need to make one of those exploraorcas.
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Adding extra slots to exploration ships isn't going to make them better than a 'Conda though. It'll just mean you don't use all your internals.
Converting slots from open to exploration only simply reduces the versatility of ships, which I suspect would be unpopular.
Even if the Q4 exploration update includes new modules and the AspX and DBX get additional slots, they still won't compete with the 'Conda for range, since an exploration build for that is mostly empty space.
Aye indeed, as I mentioned earlier, ofcourse it's optional to do so. Like that "BlAzE YoUr OwN TrAiL" thing, you can choose to do what you want and it works. I didn't had the intention of smashing couple thousand ly upwards through the galactic plane with that heavy fit ofcourse, or to tour some tourist around as fast as possible. That I did, but by flying such jumprange monsters. For an instance, I needed such jumprange monster to explore through a interesting looking highway of wolf-rayets I found some place, with very little to no stars close by to fuelscoop at all. Had to plan a route beforehand and considered my options of fitting extra fuel tanks if that was necessary because my task was going there, doing that and coming back from there. One needs to choose the tool for his job. But I also like having many tools on a single ship that can do a lot, so for example on an occasion, one moment I was smashing through a couple of ships near the edge of the bubble, next I found myself a couple thousand ly away from it. Since I already had srv, slf, ads, scoop and dss fitted on me, I made a nice loop around and bought back some good data. (also opened my ship to multicrew when I found a single system nebula that looked very pretty, and let people come around take a spin with one of my SLFs to look around and come dock back before thanking and waving goodbye. It was a good time).
But, since you run unengineered, you know that ultimately the disadvantage isnt that much of a disadvantage. Its just a matter of time and task at hand. Jumprange don't help at all when you find yourself a patch of a sector somewhere and jump from system to system 2-5ly apart and scan them down. Thats general exploration. Exploration. Self explanatory. Not quick and fast as possible travel, or specific exploration task. Ultimately I believe +/- 30ly ship is decent for exploration, but I've done it with much less and with success. I've done my first trip like that when I was a newbie and was absolutely poor, in a diamondback that had 25ly or something. The data I bought back got me from rank zero to ranger (I think to 99%), and much richer thanks to all ELWs.
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This, I've been quietly campaigning for this for the last few years, either that or a combined class 2 discovery scanner and surface scanner module.
Woosh, now thats a scary courier I wouldn't like to walk around in. A severe damage to the integrity of my privacy too. I wouldn't want to be inderticted out of random by a player or a tharg to be caught in it wearing my pyjamas.. or much worse!
But, speaking of that kind of a cockpit.. You mean you want a "ship" that has a cockpit like this?
verminstar
Banned
Its a fun disadvantage but my idea of fun is somewhat warped...I crossed the arms once in a 34ly asp, got dead ended several times and had to retrace my steps. The actual as the crow flies distance was maybe 2 klys...took me almost a month finding my way out of what had become a galactic maze. Now obviously, a better range would have made life so much easier...but wheres the fun in that?
In saying that, Im gonna engineer a T10 for my next little walkabout...Ive never been to beagle point...everyones gotta have a goal in this game, right?
Woosh, now thats a scary courier I wouldn't like to walk around in. A severe damage to the integrity of my privacy too. I wouldn't want to be inderticted out of random by a player or a tharg to be caught in it wearing my pyjamas.. or much worse!
But, speaking of that kind of a cockpit.. You mean you want a "ship" that has a cockpit like this?
Not like that. It's too much on the nose. I'd like to see a little of the ship around me, just a little though. And for sure, it wouldn't be a wise combat ship but if it's meant for exploration... And you still have shields. Reverse the tripod of the landing gear, give it two forward sweeping arms a surface that looks like liquid silver to reflect the stars. I'd buy it!
This thread confuses me
So, we want a actual dedicated explorer, not a "refitted combat ships" made into an explorer, which the Asp X and the Diamondback X apparently are, so lets take a combat ship & refitted it into an explorer.
I don't think anyone would agree what a dedicated explorer actually is, and if one was to appear, people would still be asking for a dedicated explorer
We don't even agree on what 'exploring' is, so why would we agree on what ship we need to do it in?
Well, that's exactly what I mean, you are confusing exploration with fast travel.
There are different ways of exploring.
- Some people just fly of in one direction scanning stars and planets in systems they come by. No really big jump range required for that.
- Others explorers (and personally I'm more like this kind of explorer) look at the galaxy map for interesting constellations, nebulas, clusters, then fast travel there, explore them, and fast travel back.
This kind of exploration benefits from a good jump range.
A dedicated Exploration craft should support all different flavors of exploration and therefore feature a good jump range.
We have, what 33 ships in the game, soon to be 34?
Currently, all of these are a valid choice for almost anything you could want to do in the game. Some are better than others at various things, and some are really good at all of the things, but the simple fact remains that if you want to Combat, Trade, or Explore, you can choose any ship you want, for whatever reasons you want.
Some people in this thread are advocating for specialized ships - why in the seven hells would you want Frontier to deliberately pare our choices down from 34 to 4-6 for any given activity?
That is both stupid, and myopic. I can't wait to see the screenshots and videos of the upcoming Distant Worlds II Expedition that show different colors of the exact same, meta Exploration ship. There is a reasonable amount of ship diversity on the currently running Dead End's Expedition, and that is something that should be encouraged and developed, not squashed.
As things currently stand, Frontier has done a couple of things that most other developers utterly fail when attempting: truly valid choices in equipment (the ships themselves, modules to a lesser extent), and successfully providing the most casual of its players something really good, instead of what is known as a "Welfare Epic" in other games. That would be the Anaconda, and for this reason alone, it should never be nerfed. Let our most casual friends continue to have something awesome too, please. I really wish the Armchair Dev Ship Balance Crusaders would realize that the ships really are in a pretty good place compared to each other. There are some issues, but it is hardly a shambles, and certainly does not need any kind of blanket balance pass. Not at all. Choice comes at the cost of some frayed edges, so to speak.
The point of diminishing returns on jump range is roughly 38.xx light years anywhere other than the Rim, and the Core. Most of the galaxy, in other words. Think about that for a bit.
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Currently, all of these are a valid choice for almost anything you could want to do in the game. Some are better than others at various things, and some are really good at all of the things, but the simple fact remains that if you want to Combat, Trade, or Explore, you can choose any ship you want, for whatever reasons you want.
Some people in this thread are advocating for specialized ships - why in the seven hells would you want Frontier to deliberately pare our choices down from 34 to 4-6 for any given activity?
That is both stupid, and myopic. I can't wait to see the screenshots and videos of the upcoming Distant Worlds II Expedition that show different colors of the exact same, meta Exploration ship. There is a reasonable amount of ship diversity on the currently running Dead End's Expedition, and that is something that should be encouraged and developed, not squashed.
As things currently stand, Frontier has done a couple of things that most other developers utterly fail when attempting: truly valid choices in equipment (the ships themselves, modules to a lesser extent), and successfully providing the most casual of its players something really good, instead of what is known as a "Welfare Epic" in other games. That would be the Anaconda, and for this reason alone, it should never be nerfed. Let our most casual friends continue to have something awesome too, please. I really wish the Armchair Dev Ship Balance Crusaders would realize that the ships really are in a pretty good place compared to each other. There are some issues, but it is hardly a shambles, and certainly does not need any kind of blanket balance pass. Not at all. Choice comes at the cost of some frayed edges, so to speak.
The point of diminishing returns on jump range is roughly 38.xx light years anywhere other than the Rim, and the Core. Most of the galaxy, in other words. Think about that for a bit.
Riôt