The age a the story has no impact. I agee with that. When it comes to myths with roots in reality, they will usually evovle further away from reality.
I don’t there is any new evidence since day one for this myth
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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I don’t there is any new evidence since day one for this myth
Where to start? You are making an argument that isn't even internally consistent with modern or old lore. Not that either would save this from the flaws...
Sol has always been central to Elite. Without Sol, Achenar never happens. Of course the Raxxla mythos is based on Holdstock. That is literally the weirdest argument I've ever heard re: Raxxla. You literally have zero foundation otherwise.
Pick one: the old lore is relevant or its' not. Just know, the preponderance of evidence is solidly for a Holdstockian-basis of the Raxxla mythos.
You can officially hand in your Dark Wheel invitation received from Olympic Village, Mars. You have failed the test.
The Dark Wheel itself is linked to Sol. It was even in the damned invitation.
Where was the prototype of the first Hyperspace vessels developed? Sol.
What is the special thing that makes Lavian Brandy, good? Oak barrels from Earth, Sol.
I am so absolutely done with the separate universe camp. You don't deserve to find Raxxla.
Harsh, yes. Deserved? Absolutely.
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It's called people failed to investigate. The blame lays solely at the feet of those who blindly accepted this was a separate universe. No one went looking for where the Veliaze myths came from. No one looked for Essafa. Both are there but under new names. No one read descriptions. Let's just complain. Meanwhile, the people who do the work aren't given any credit and are actively shunned. Pick a side: separate universe or same universe?
They gave you hints EVERYWHERE. I just am at a loss for words that the people who played the older games somehow find it impossible that it is the same universe.
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Let's be clear: All are welcome here. But, if you want this found, do some damn investigation of your own. The story starts off in a system known for propaganda. By the time we got to Elite Dangerous, the propaganda is so thick you can practically see it hanging in the air. This requires personal effort, not just armchair theorycrafting. Ideas need to be testable. Though, that means you need to factor in details we have relative certainty on given what we know.
What we know:
What we know:
- Raxxla mythos originated from (a ship based out of) Tau Ceti based on writings of Art Tornvquist in 2296. This is first written attestation.
- Marlin Duval dies in 2296. Empire is founded in 2296 in Achenar. It was pre-dated by Marlin's Republic.
- There must have been some degree of colonization done by Marlin Duval and her supporters.
- Marlin Duval fled the Federation trying to get as far away as possible.
- We have the "Early Colonies" beacon indicate an era of rapid expansion started in 2230 -- 66 years prior to Raxxla mythos.
- Most of the the earliest colonies were those of the Federation (oldest of the superpowers).
- We have fuel scoops as far back as the invasion of Achenar following the Mudlark extinction in 2411.
- Supercruise is invented at some point in the generation ship era (see Venusian logs). This could have been as recent as several hundred years ago based upon Phekda.
- Lave is not colonized until 2412.
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An interesting find in RH texts… he talks a fair amount about the number seven of being of importance; apart from grammatical pacing I always thought it odd why the codex had so many references implying the use of the word ‘seven’ and RH also utilities in the same instance, the phrase ‘as above so below’, attributing it to Apollo and Artemis out of Hyperborea and links in Ursa Major.
I don’t believe it means anything particularly, as RH doesn’t contextualise this importance, as it’s actually rather a wide subject; rather it might just be another hint to look at this particular text, and it identifies a certain correlation.
In a classical sense this might relate to a reference to the Apollo / Greek philosophy of the heavens / astronomy (as above) being applicable to the everyday / earth (as below) and Apollo and Artemis being polemical.
RH seems only to attribute the number seven to Artemis by the number of stars in Ursa Major, the constellation is actually linked to Callisto, a companion of Artemis. So ultimately I don’t believe RH is intentionally delving too deep into this mythology, but rather the ‘magical’ / ‘occult’ aesthetics.
I do suspect it’s still important in relation to Raxxla because I feel it’s yet another hint to simply read this text, the author is highlighting the text and giving it significance.
I am currently slowly breaking this text down and building various spacial layers, these I hope to publish soon.
At most I believe it will concrete the underworld sector as the prime location set out in the Codex, and that it clearly identifies it as an Easter egg homage to Holdstock…but certainly there is more here to find… mountains have some significance!
I don’t believe it means anything particularly, as RH doesn’t contextualise this importance, as it’s actually rather a wide subject; rather it might just be another hint to look at this particular text, and it identifies a certain correlation.
In a classical sense this might relate to a reference to the Apollo / Greek philosophy of the heavens / astronomy (as above) being applicable to the everyday / earth (as below) and Apollo and Artemis being polemical.
RH seems only to attribute the number seven to Artemis by the number of stars in Ursa Major, the constellation is actually linked to Callisto, a companion of Artemis. So ultimately I don’t believe RH is intentionally delving too deep into this mythology, but rather the ‘magical’ / ‘occult’ aesthetics.
I do suspect it’s still important in relation to Raxxla because I feel it’s yet another hint to simply read this text, the author is highlighting the text and giving it significance.
I am currently slowly breaking this text down and building various spacial layers, these I hope to publish soon.
At most I believe it will concrete the underworld sector as the prime location set out in the Codex, and that it clearly identifies it as an Easter egg homage to Holdstock…but certainly there is more here to find… mountains have some significance!
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Some theorycrafting here:
An even lesser conjecture: The ultimate clue mentioned above is the false lead they, or whatever equivalent there is in the Elite verse, found
24-carat tinfoil conjecture: Marlin Duval's expedition followed such false lead, and they settled on Achenar with Raxxla as the ultimate goal; the Old Worlds became a hotspot of conflict when the powers figured out its actual location, until the Pilots Federation's tentacles grew enough to shush the whole thing
- Raxxla is somewhere in the heart of the Alliance, or maybe the nearby Old Worlds
- the ultimate clue to its location is a mirror in the heart of the Empire
- "a mirror according to what?" Sol
An even lesser conjecture: The ultimate clue mentioned above is the false lead they, or whatever equivalent there is in the Elite verse, found
24-carat tinfoil conjecture: Marlin Duval's expedition followed such false lead, and they settled on Achenar with Raxxla as the ultimate goal; the Old Worlds became a hotspot of conflict when the powers figured out its actual location, until the Pilots Federation's tentacles grew enough to shush the whole thing
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Quick question:
Is this just interpretation or is there some text that lead you to this particular train of thought? Even on it's own, the idea is actually pretty interesting given a system named "Gateway" and Alioth being referenced as "a stellar El Dorado". Clearly, the Alliance is important in some fashion that we don't fully understand. Also notable that currently the protector of the Old Worlds region is the Alliance.
From the passages attached above about the Oisir-Raxxlans, the mistake they made with the pyramids was to not build them upside-down, at least that is how I read it.
If we can find a surface feature like that, then it would have to be constructed, as the terrain procedural generation does not make overhangs.
I remember the effort it took to find the Project Dynasty bases in the Formidine Rift, the Conflux and Hawking's gap: they had to found by MkI eyeball flying low over the planet the beacons said they were on. It was neither fast nor easy and quite mind-numbing (I tried it myself at the time). We would need to know the correct body to search to be able to find it this way.
If we can find a surface feature like that, then it would have to be constructed, as the terrain procedural generation does not make overhangs.
I remember the effort it took to find the Project Dynasty bases in the Formidine Rift, the Conflux and Hawking's gap: they had to found by MkI eyeball flying low over the planet the beacons said they were on. It was neither fast nor easy and quite mind-numbing (I tried it myself at the time). We would need to know the correct body to search to be able to find it this way.
This is my personal interpretation of "as above, so below" combined with how the equatorial coordinates of both capitals are strangely close.
In case it helps anyone, here's the full thing. It is something pre-Holdstock, even. So, these kind of ideas have been floating around a very long time:
Given Hermes Trismegistus connection to the Hermetica, I suppose it is important to point out one of the INRA sites is in Hermitage and the asteroid bases used to known as Hermit Rocks.
Note the religious connotations of both terms.
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There's a star itching in my brain right now: Theta Bootis, at the top of the Bootes constellation. The reasons are, it's:
- not far from Alioth in the galactic plane, at +51° and almost touching Ursa Major
- directly controlled by the Pilots Federation
- heavily access restricted for an inconspicuous reason
Seems like the Hermetica includes a bunch of astrological stuff as well...In case it helps anyone, here's the full thing. It is something pre-Holdstock, even. So, these kind of ideas have been floating around a very long time:
Given Hermes Trismegistus connection to the Hermetica, I suppose it is important to point out one of the INRA sites is in Hermitage and the asteroid bases used to known as Hermit Rocks.
Note the religious connotations of both terms.
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I remember it well!
And watching the bandwidth monitor for signs of anything unusual!
I suppose this was before DSS scanning was a thing? That sounds rough.I remember it well!
And watching the bandwidth monitor for signs of anything unusual!
For those Celts out there; Robert Holdstock talks of a Water Goddess ‘Brigga’. Linking her to Arthurian legend.
I can’t find any reference on-line to a ‘Brigga’ - I am finding other goddesses, but I wonder if those only appear due to the search algorithm.
Is Brigga a real deity, is it actually Brigid?
The only sources I could find were:
Brig-O (not in game).
Brígh (in game) but too far removed.
Brighid (not in game).
Brigid (in game) and in the correct location
I can’t find any reference on-line to a ‘Brigga’ - I am finding other goddesses, but I wonder if those only appear due to the search algorithm.
Is Brigga a real deity, is it actually Brigid?
The only sources I could find were:
Brig-O (not in game).
Brígh (in game) but too far removed.
Brighid (not in game).
Brigid (in game) and in the correct location
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Only ever heard of Brigga as trousers in books like Katheriune Kerr's Deverry ones.
world anvil lists Brigga - Goddess of Fire and Inspiration in the deity list
Brighid (and there are many spellings) is a Celtic goddess linked with Imbolc (Midwinter).For those Celts out there; Robert Holdstock talks of a Water Goddess ‘Brigga’. Linking her to Arthurian legend.
I can’t find any reference on-line to a ‘Brigga’ - I am finding other goddesses, but I wonder if those only appear due to the search algorithm.
Is Brigga a real deity, is it actually Brigid?
The only sources I could find were:
Brig-O (not in game).
Brígh (in game) but too far removed.
Brighid (not in game).
Brigid (in game) and in the correct location
She is one of the few gods with a symbol - Brighids Cross which is traditionally made out of reeds or in modern times grass or corn stems.
Im not at home atm but i think its detailed in 'The Mysteries of Druidry' by Brendon Myers, someone i had the privilege to meet many moons ago.
Theres a definite connection with Arthurian legend im sure shes mentioned by Taliesin or Geoffrey Ash (Albion) but would have to riffle through my library to find the quotes.
Will look tonight when im home from the Footy.
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Cool.
I’m sold on Brigid, as it’s very close to Avalon, which ties to RH’s text. Here’s a short extract from my current notes (to be published soon).
‘Avalon - RH p18 vale of. RH talks of a Moon goddess associated with horses (Epona p27) p22 and a mystic earth goddess, naming Morgan La Fay as a possible link with the triad Celtic goddess ‘The Morrigan’, a fertility and war goddess p23. With Excalibur - Lady of the lake RH attributes with ‘Brigga’ p25 a water goddess. RH identifies here how water is a barrier between the real and these ‘otherworlds’. Morgan La Fay is mentioned again on p25 accompanying Arthur on his death barge with three hooded women or three queens, RH calls these the tri-partite goddess’ - Robert Holdstock Lost Realms.
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