The Quest To Find Raxxla

[athulin]

Also, I'd argue that if this is meant to be a sector, then "the abyss" (sector 40) would fit better as the "deepest void".

Some problems with dating there, I suspect. The area was named by player(s) (who did not have access to any earlier E.D. naming tradition, oral or written) sometime round 330? (https://www.edsm.net/en/galactic-ro...eKey/d6613bd145eda4bd9255560196cbf169047e6dd9), so the name can hardly be what is referenced in The Toast. The name is said to date 'several years after the discovery'. (I wonder what name it had before this, and what the backstory of that name, if any at all, was...)

The location might be, provided that someone had done what CMDR 'Erimus' Kamzel did ... but he was using an Asp Explorer, which dates from 3300 (actual jump range 34.5 LYs). The Asp Mk II (2878) might have been possible to use earlier, but very little seems to be known about. It was apparently a combat ship, so its jump range was probably not as extreme. This seems to require the assumption that TDW supported pure exploration (which doesn't seem to fit modern description), and also that the discovery was held at least as close as secret as the whereabouts of TDW HQ. And that needs at least additional confirmation to be taken as anything than a further hypothesis.

Observing The Abyss from the Bubble seems to be close to impossible.

So ... can we scratch The Abyss off the list of hypotheses on grounds of improbability? Or is there anything that argues it still merits attention?

 

[SHEA PARDH]

Some problems with dating there, I suspect. The area was named by player(s) (who did not have access to any earlier E.D. naming tradition, oral or written) sometime round 330? (https://www.edsm.net/en/galactic-ro...eKey/d6613bd145eda4bd9255560196cbf169047e6dd9), so the name can hardly be what is referenced in The Toast. The name is said to date 'several years after the discovery'. (I wonder what name it had before this, and what the backstory of that name, if any at all, was...)

The location might be, provided that someone had done what CMDR 'Erimus' Kamzel did ... but he was using an Asp Explorer, which dates from 3300 (actual jump range 34.5 LYs). The Asp Mk II (2878) might have been possible to use earlier, but very little seems to be known about. It was apparently a combat ship, so its jump range was probably not as extreme. This seems to require the assumption that TDW supported pure exploration (which doesn't seem to fit modern description), and also that the discovery was held at least as close as secret as the whereabouts of TDW HQ. And that needs at least additional confirmation to be taken as anything than a further hypothesis.

Observing The Abyss from the Bubble seems to be close to impossible.

So ... can we scratch The Abyss off the list of hypotheses on grounds of improbability? Or is there anything that argues it still merits attention?

That's a lot of nice detail. I doubt you have to visit the Abyss in any way. The toast is about the siren, not the void itself. One interpretation is that the "siren" is a neutron star in the "void", but that honestly doesn't fit at all in my mind. The siren is an entity that draws you out to get you into the abyss later. The neutron stars don't make sense since they are the "gateway" not the reason you'd go there. Hence my personal proposal that if we're going with that particular interpretation, the siren should be something that draws you out. This would indicate that all parts of the toast talk about the SAME thing and that thing happens to be Raxxla. It's multiple separate clues indicating properties of Raxxla rather than a map. There was a lot of speculation what a "brow" is and what a "mother of galaxies" is. If we assume that the "mother of galaxies" is an SMBH, then something on the "brow" of Sag A* is Raxxla. Where is the brow of Sag A*? IMO you'd need to look at the galmap from the top view, and this would imply one of the arms, close by the "eye" of the galaxy, perhaps something in sector 5, 6, or 7, or 8. If that was any further, it's probably not a brow? This is just my interpretation and one could make up their own version of it which is the main problem with anything revolving around that toast.

The siren being Sag A* or something near it also makes some sense since it's a somewhat obvious "I want to go there" destination for people who are even remotely interested in exploration. We don't really know what the 'whisperer' might be because I don't know if there is ANY way to pin the noises you hear when jumping to anything outside of witchspace. I've done some basic analysis, and as far as I can tell that's a static asset, fairly short in length, simply repeating over and over (I have a somewhat crappy connection so I get to listen to this A LOT).

I don't think FDEV has been much concerned with prior history predating Elite Dangerous - if it's not documented in game in the codex or otherwise, we shouldn't put too much weight into the dates. The Pilots' Federation alone dates to 2805 (as per the codex entry). And nobody knows how the toast is dated, so whether it was created after the galmap has been created and names placed or not is fairly arbitrary, too. Based on UC entry, galmap dates to ballpark same date as FSD.

I am not particularly fascinated by the idea of this being in the middle of the galaxy, because that does feel awkward at best and much less so of this involving a trip that requires circumnavigating the galaxy, or anything similar.

 

[Reyedog]

Interesting. Although Vega requires a permit (not hard to get, but still).

You want this to be facing directly at Sag A. Might have to camp at it for awhile. Also the gas giant might be off to the side. dont worry it wont cover it. But alignment is key. Once that is done head to the comms array around popov. Make sure one side of it is facing the planet while the other is facing Out. This one is tricky cause a number of pirates will kill you reguardless of stance. After that you get a set of cords if you head back to scan the point at misty. If you do it too earlier or wait too long it'll say Orbital emissions failed. This also might take weeks.

The annoying part is thats the dead end part cause the cord aren't complete. It''s also a pain in the ass to get the comms array one done cause everything wants you dead. Also you fly in a certain way in a circle around the attena's top it begins making a howling scream noise via shepards tone. I tried doing something with it but my pilot passed out and ran into the complex.

 

[Nezzie Muso]

Hi folks, you may recall a while back i was talking about a pareco tip off mission that gives you a HUD message that you are "considered elite" as a reward. Well I finally got that mission again. I'll do the mission as soon as i can and screenshot the result

 

[Nezzie Muso]

Hi folks, you may recall a while back i was talking about a pareco tip off mission that gives you a HUD message that you are "considered elite" as a reward. Well I finally got that mission again. I'll do the mission as soon as i can and screenshot the result

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Now you might have noticed that the planet was first mapped by "vagabond". Which could be wntirely coincidental, but made me wonder (a) are other planets mapped by people with names from the raxxla toast, and is there any way of finding them?

 

[SHEA PARDH]

Vagabond07 is a CMDR on Inara: https://inara.cz/elite/cmdr/75455/

 

[Reyedog]

Hi folks, you may recall a while back i was talking about a pareco tip off mission that gives you a HUD message that you are "considered elite" as a reward. Well I finally got that mission again. I'll do the mission as soon as i can and screenshot the result

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very nice. Will have to see if that is repeatible.

 

[Reyedog]

Some problems with dating there, I suspect. The area was named by player(s) (who did not have access to any earlier E.D. naming tradition, oral or written) sometime round 330? (https://www.edsm.net/en/galactic-ro...eKey/d6613bd145eda4bd9255560196cbf169047e6dd9), so the name can hardly be what is referenced in The Toast. The name is said to date 'several years after the discovery'. (I wonder what name it had before this, and what the backstory of that name, if any at all, was...)

The location might be, provided that someone had done what CMDR 'Erimus' Kamzel did ... but he was using an Asp Explorer, which dates from 3300 (actual jump range 34.5 LYs). The Asp Mk II (2878) might have been possible to use earlier, but very little seems to be known about. It was apparently a combat ship, so its jump range was probably not as extreme. This seems to require the assumption that TDW supported pure exploration (which doesn't seem to fit modern description), and also that the discovery was held at least as close as secret as the whereabouts of TDW HQ. And that needs at least additional confirmation to be taken as anything than a further hypothesis.

Observing The Abyss from the Bubble seems to be close to impossible.

So ... can we scratch The Abyss off the list of hypotheses on grounds of improbability? Or is there anything that argues it still merits attention?

If you do a google search for abyss in our solar system this is what comes up.

When referring to an "abyss" in our solar system, most commonly it means the "Great Red Spot" on Jupiter; a massive, swirling storm that appears as a dark, deep void on the planet's surface, often described as a cosmic abyss due to its size and mysterious nature.

Key points about the Jupiter Abyss:

• Location: On the planet Jupiter.
• Appearance: A large, dark, swirling storm.
• Significance: Considered one of the most prominent features on Jupiter and a fascinating subject for planetary scientists.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Vagabond07 is a CMDR on Inara: https://inara.cz/elite/cmdr/75455/

Vagabond07 is my friend, unfortunately he is not tied into Raxxla although he wishes he was lol

 

[Tifu]

Stations can move, jump etc its not unheard of stations being upgraded and moved, Jaques being the most famous but there is many

Jacques did come to mind. I doubt very much though that FD will use the same trick twice, specially on something as important as Dark Wheel/Raaxla. Unless anyone has a bit of lore or a documented hint to indicate this?

 

[athulin]

If you do a google search for abyss in our solar system this is what comes up.

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Yes, ... but aren't you losing track of the objective here? The term of interest is "void", as in "the siren of the deepest void". The term is not interesting in itself, but as a way to locate the siren, under the assumption that it describes a concrete physical feature of importance to the interpretation of the Toast. If no concrete evidence or argument points to such "siren", or the possibility of something that can be investigated, any identification of a siren-less abyss surely is moot.

"Abyss" may be a synonym to "void" (if it is, surely "rift" or "gap" or "gulf" as well as "expanse" are other ones -- according to Roget's Thesaurus at least), but as long as it doesn't provide a clue to what the siren is (which surely is the objective), or a hypothesis of what it may be, it seems half-finished. The idea that "siren" refers to a star of a particular type might help here, or perhaps a structured signal of some kind, and perhaps as other interpretations.

What is the siren of Jupiter's Red Spot?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Well, there's this.

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Region 18, the Inner Orion Spur, is where Sol is.

source: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/The_Void

#42?
Well, clearly that's where all the dolphins went; they probably need fish cargoes to activate

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Hi folks, you may recall a while back i was talking about a pareco tip off mission that gives you a HUD message that you are "considered elite" as a reward. Well I finally got that mission again. I'll do the mission as soon as i can and screenshot the result

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Sorry, my eyes/brain aren't working well yet, needs another 30 minutes before breakfast coffee kicks into action, but where's the "considered elite" in that? Just looks like a standard tipoff mission to me.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

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This seems to require the assumption that TDW supported pure exploration (which doesn't seem to fit modern description)...

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I have pointed out in the past that the codex describes TDW as "a legendary group of adventurers, explorers, investigators and treasure-hunters" which might be summarised as "gentlemen adventurers" which was a term used in the Elizabethan age to describe pirates.

Now I've just remembered recently someone mentioned a system of pirates (& one other faction?) which was introduced suddenly without comment...might be worth some detailed investigation?

I'm not currently flying -in middle of new PC build & old one stopped working.

 

[Reyedog]

Yes, ... but aren't you losing track of the objective here? The term of interest is "void", as in "the siren of the deepest void". The term is not interesting in itself, but as a way to locate the siren, under the assumption that it describes a concrete physical feature of importance to the interpretation of the Toast. If no concrete evidence or argument points to such "siren", or the possibility of something that can be investigated, any identification of a siren-less abyss surely is moot.

"Abyss" may be a synonym to "void" (if it is, surely "rift" or "gap" or "gulf" as well as "expanse" are other ones -- according to Roget's Thesaurus at least), but as long as it doesn't provide a clue to what the siren is (which surely is the objective), or a hypothesis of what it may be, it seems half-finished. The idea that "siren" refers to a star of a particular type might help here, or perhaps a structured signal of some kind, and perhaps as other interpretations.

What is the siren of Jupiter's Red Spot?

The siren would be storms noise. Jupiter is a pretty noisey planet from space irl and some of the storms are called deep voids because they go so far down that light vanishes. But using jupiter as a reference what if its a half planet half start of a star forming thats making a sound to triangulate to. The game does have those. The other reason I originally was interested in Jupiter and saturn was the fact that braben and brookes were both arthur c clarke fans. So what if they somehow added a monolith into the game around one of those gas giants. Or the aliens species from the Odyssey series or anything from clarkes books. Allot of people think the wall is a good soundtrack to elite and think its linked.. I say No. a moments relapse of reason would be the better pink floyd album to link to elite.

I also found something interesting. What if its a satelite network that leads to Raxxla in a certain order. I mean we have those already that lead to system poi's. Maybe the signals within some of the numbered space stations broadcasting their atten are a subsatute for the satelites.

 

[Rochester]

Jacques did come to mind. I doubt very much though that FD will use the same trick twice, specially on something as important as Dark Wheel/Raaxla. Unless anyone has a bit of lore or a documented hint to indicate this?

No direct link. But, the source origin point for Jacques is a system with a gas body and eight moons.

This system is technically with a zone I identified as the Underworld, eg there are systems named after locations in the classical underworld, as well as numerous others linked to underworld deities.

If we draw a line of sight between those systems he’s visited backwards in the bubble it intersects systems that I believe mirror the journey of Satan from Paradise Lost.

There’s conformational evidence to show Brookes changed the narrative for Jacques and that he had an alternative story for him…

One idea could be the various clues from the codex point to him… and that were supposed to look at his journey inside the bubble?

Bridge to the Empyrean
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10304929

 

[Nezzie Muso]

Sorry, my eyes/brain aren't working well yet, needs another 30 minutes before breakfast coffee kicks into action, but where's the "considered elite" in that? Just looks like a standard tipoff mission to me.

It's the reward when you survive the 200 skimmers and turrets to steal the data. I'll post it when I get it

EDIT .... it may be a while - PSN has been down 14 hours so far and no access to ED from console

 

[Tifu]

#42?
Well, clearly that's where all the dolphins went; they probably need fish cargoes to activate

They probably went there to find out the meaning of life

 

[Tifu]

I should have know the hidden structure I stumbled on was the result of a major CG in ED

source: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/The_Golconda


Here's the rough, lowres video of my encounter with that decomissioned megaship. Thanks to Jorki for recommending EDDiscovery to parse and filter my game logs, otherwise I may never have found that entry again

Note that the outpost, Forester's Choice is significantly smaller than the much more intricate and substantial infrastructure added to it. The latter doesn't show up anywhere until you come up right next to the station. It's a good example of one way to hide things in ED.

 

[Reyedog]

No direct link. But, the source origin point for Jacques is a system with a gas body and eight moons.

This system is technically with a zone I identified as the Underworld, eg there are systems named after locations in the classical underworld, as well as numerous others linked to underworld deities.

If we draw a line of sight between those systems he’s visited backwards in the bubble it intersects systems that I believe mirror the journey of Satan from Paradise Lost.

There’s conformational evidence to show Brookes changed the narrative for Jacques and that he had an alternative story for him…

One idea could be the various clues from the codex point to him… and that were supposed to look at his journey inside the bubble?

Bridge to the Empyrean
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10304929

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well we also dont know how he was able to make such a large jump with the station as they arn't able to travel that far if they set to move with their engines. So He had to have used a wormhole or something to make such a large jump. Maybe they have something in that system we just stupidly never found and its just sitting there to be discovred. There's allot of things Elite tells us and shows us and we just go duhhhh at it cause its a puzzle to something without them saying hey look dummy here's a puzzle But then we get the urika ah ha Moments and discover a hidden secret they made. I know the skybox has hidden images and star sectors that form images too. The galatic dust forms images too. Col 70 is ripe full of hidden images if viewd by a non permit locked system. Bernards loop has images in it. The coalsack is a pirate ship. The skull and crossbones nebula is a skull from an angle. The crab nebula is the system of space you see within thargoid portals. Lots of details. If you position your ship above earth you can see every visible constellation mankind has written and photo down.


This photo shows a starfish in the stars on the way to the center of the milkyway. I dont have it but brabens face is a constellation.