Thargoid Data Gathering Effort: We need your help!

[Louis Calvert]

Had an idea, figured it's wrong, but I posted it here (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...foil-Hattery?p=6125014&viewfull=1#post6125014) to get it disproved.

But, just in case I am right - assume that the UA's aren't Thargoid origin, does that change how we're thinking about the signals and images that are encoded in them, and does that help us gather any more meaningful data, or would it basically be the same regardless of the UA's origin?

 

[Codger]

Oh, sorry, I get you now.

If you watch the video he posts later in that thread you can see that there's some similar-ish white lines on other parts of the wrecks, they look (to me) a bit like maybe they're supposed to be cracks or something, so I wonder if that line is just part of the wreck texture that looks a bit odd.

It was only posted yesterday though, so if there's a solution I doubt it'll happen fast

I'm about 90% sure those lines are just the underlying mesh showing through, like it does when you poke the camera inside things. The texture isn't quite covering the underlying object.

I think it's just a graphical glitch, in other words.

 

[phong]

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[LCU No Fool Like One]

Apart from Hyperdictions occurring in Merope we have not recorded any NHSS in Merope.

It could be that we are not hanging around long enough. Has anyone spent more than 30 minutes looking for NHSS in Merope. I spend a good 30 minutes of so this afternoon and didn't see anything. I hope to spend a bit more time.

 

[Louis Calvert]

I've spent hours there.

 

[Cunder]

Had an idea, figured it's wrong, but I posted it here (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...foil-Hattery?p=6125014&viewfull=1#post6125014) to get it disproved.

But, just in case I am right - assume that the UA's aren't Thargoid origin, does that change how we're thinking about the signals and images that are encoded in them, and does that help us gather any more meaningful data, or would it basically be the same regardless of the UA's origin?

Thargoids as a new race of its time were no different than us when it came to space they were more advance then us in such an early stage of their life cause of the Guardians had a hand in their existence as they were very advance but with that it became apparent the thargoids hated them so much to create a war and possibly an almost annihilation of the guardian race. The Sensors were always found on Thargoid wrecked ships this help them to identify thargoid technology in space. The Probes were sent to look for worlds places to use as a point of interest to develop these sites and helped them create the map for their Thargoid sites at those times. Probes were easier to find due the short travel of the Pleaides sector being the closes and most traffic area for our race then just the few who would go 20k-30k out of the bubble where the density of systems are massive.

Probes are the satellites of their technology, as the Link used to keep track of all sites in the universe it's their way to keep an eye on them if by chance one of them disappeared or multiple of them started to disappear it would mean that someone or something is destroying these sites but were also capable to detecting them being used. After the assassination of Jason Ryder, The Dark Wheel may have flown under the radar. It was the greed that drove them into it they didn't want to bring more people into the expedition and may have been identified by the Thargoids at one point, so a deal was made to protect Raxxla and as payment they have full access to the gates. Project Dynasty and their search in Formidine Rift had their own mission of finding earth like planets but what they didn't know it's possible something was out there and a plan to sabotage the mission came into effect. The Dark Wheel could have had a hand in that and by then and are recognized as people of wealth giving them power and pull cause of their exploits with the gate in Raxxla.

Every race starts in a point of technology advancement travel has always been a point of limitation just that Thargoids were ahead of us when it came to this and just like us advanced. Though they just may have hit their pinnacle of technology now but who knows.

 

[Assimilator1]

Had an idea, figured it's wrong, but I posted it here (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...foil-Hattery?p=6125014&viewfull=1#post6125014) to get it disproved.

But, just in case I am right - assume that the UA's aren't Thargoid origin, does that change how we're thinking about the signals and images that are encoded in them, and does that help us gather any more meaningful data, or would it basically be the same regardless of the UA's origin?

Err, unless I missing something, UAs are now called Thargoid Sensors, right? .....

Phong
As I mentioned before , you need to report NHSSs here, or better still install EDMC & LCUs plugin which automatically logs all USSs.
Otherwise your data will just get lost in this thread.

Btw, what do you mean 'it doesn't match the profile'?

I've spent hours there.

All in SC? The 'counter' resets when you drop out of SC? (from my observations).

 

[phong]

@ Assimilator1.Ah,ok.Got the threads confused.(a not uncommon occurence,i regret to say.) The confusing sighting seems to be in a different area entirely from that being searched.It is most likely observer error,as ship was destroyed shortly thereafter.(dropped in right on top of them)Not much chance to take detailed notes.

 

[Assimilator1]

No you're in the right thread , it's just that to report NHSS sightings the data is far more useful if added to a spreadsheet, & preferably the automated 1 so that your sightings get added to the Canonn 3d map too.

Re your sighting in a different area, you don't run EDDiscovery do you? That (& other programs) record your journey.

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Btw folks, are we ready to search Merope 5c?

 

[Louis Calvert]

All in SC? The 'counter' resets when you drop out of SC? (from my observations).

In that case at least 40 minutes at a time. I once had one of those random salvage missions there located at the sun, but it was bugged and never appeared, so I spent literally 4 days (about 1-2 hours a day) in and out of SC zooming around Merope. Some of those were just me flying around and around the sun trying to get the mission poi to spawn.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Thargoids as a new race of its time were no different than us when it came to space they were more advance then us in such an early stage of their life cause of the Guardians had a hand in their existence as they were very advance but with that it became apparent the thargoids hated them so much to create a war and possibly an almost annihilation of the guardian race. The Sensors were always found on Thargoid wrecked ships this help them to identify thargoid technology in space. The Probes were sent to look for worlds places to use as a point of interest to develop these sites and helped them create the map for their Thargoid sites at those times. Probes were easier to find due the short travel of the Pleaides sector being the closes and most traffic area for our race then just the few who would go 20k-30k out of the bubble where the density of systems are massive.

Probes are the satellites of their technology, as the Link used to keep track of all sites in the universe it's their way to keep an eye on them if by chance one of them disappeared or multiple of them started to disappear it would mean that someone or something is destroying these sites but were also capable to detecting them being used. After the assassination of Jason Ryder, The Dark Wheel may have flown under the radar. It was the greed that drove them into it they didn't want to bring more people into the expedition and may have been identified by the Thargoids at one point, so a deal was made to protect Raxxla and as payment they have full access to the gates. Project Dynasty and their search in Formidine Rift had their own mission of finding earth like planets but what they didn't know it's possible something was out there and a plan to sabotage the mission came into effect. The Dark Wheel could have had a hand in that and by then and are recognized as people of wealth giving them power and pull cause of their exploits with the gate in Raxxla.

Every race starts in a point of technology advancement travel has always been a point of limitation just that Thargoids were ahead of us when it came to this and just like us advanced. Though they just may have hit their pinnacle of technology now but who knows.

That's interesting. I think there's a whole bunch of tinfoil and assumptions in there though my post in this thread was more about asking the question "if the UAs aren't Thargoid, does that change what were looking for in Merope?"

 

[Assimilator1]

Who said they aren't Thargoid?

In that case at least 40 minutes at a time. I once had one of those random salvage missions there located at the sun, but it was bugged and never appeared, so I spent literally 4 days (about 1-2 hours a day) in and out of SC zooming around Merope. Some of those were just me flying around and around the sun trying to get the mission poi to spawn.

Ah that's plenty anyway I believe

 

[Cunder]

That's interesting. I think there's a whole bunch of tinfoil and assumptions in there though my post in this thread was more about asking the question "if the UAs aren't Thargoid, does that change what were looking for in Merope?"

I believe UA's are thargoid technology the presentation of the UA ( Thargoid Sensor), Link , and Probe have similar characteristics in material. The only difference is just basic shape and how they operate but are unified for compatibility reasons. I couldn't see any reason why that would change what we are looking for in Merope though.

There is still something to find in Merope it still doesn't change the fact it maybe a site where it is I don't know, but I do know it's there some where if not on one of the landable planets.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

That's interesting. I think there's a whole bunch of tinfoil and assumptions in there though my post in this thread was more about asking the question "if the UAs aren't Thargoid, does that change what were looking for in Merope?"

All the evidence we have indicates the UA, UP, UL, Device, Structures, flower ships are all Thargoid in origin, although the ships may be drones and not (yet) inhabited by Goids. While grammatically “Thargoid Sensor” (aka UA) could indicate a sensor for detecting Thargoids with a non-Thargoid origin,the conjunction of all these, and the need to use both UA and UP in the Unknown Device in a Thargoid Structure lays it completely to rest (IMHO).

We don’t know why the UAs point to Merope and the UPs point to Merope 5C (except they are directing a tight-beam transmission there); speculative metathought suggests there should be a receiver in/on/around 5C to receive the tight-beam transmission from the UPs, and possibly pass it on to Goid HQ (if there is one, possibly 5C is the HQ). Therefore we don’t know what should be searched for in Merope or in/on/around 5C. One thing to try might be to position ships between 5C and Col70 Fy-N C21-3 and search around to see if there are any forwarded transmissions.

I did try taking a UA, UP and UL to 5C but couldn’t trigger any highlighting laser pointer, thouhgh that’s not proof it can’t be done. I think if anyone intends to search then keep an eye out for anything out of the ordinary, including random ship module damage.

 

[Assimilator1]

Btw, any outcome on the potential new pictures in that sonogram?

At the example of 3-4 km up, your visual range is very limited, so 50 deg separation would be far too much, 5 deg is more likely, but I don't know as I haven't experimented at that level.
In my search for new TS sites (see link in my sig), I found that on small moons (500-800 km radius), & checking from an altitude of 250 km, 35 deg latitude steps were ok, 30 deg for ~1500 km moons, still at 250 km alt.
The trouble is we don't know what we're looking for, so we don't know what height to be at, unless we just carry out a very time intensive search at ~3km altitude & be pretty sure we won't be missing anything ..... unless it's tiny!



Just a thought on this, requiring cmdrs to land & take off could add a lot of time to the search, especially if searching from high up. Also, I don't see why we'd need to land, the lat & long is shown once you go into orbital cruise level (or did you mean it's only shown in the journal when landing?), & when you drop out of SC.... or OC rather .

Quoting myself as I think my question was missed .

Tempted to start searching by myself, the search plan seems to have fallen quiet....

 

[Louis Calvert]

I'm happy to sink some hours into searching. I assumed we were waiting to see if LCU can work some sort of technological magic on a search plugin?

 

[Assimilator1]

Ah yea, I'd forgotten about that, I need to re-read relevant posts.......

Regarding the planetary scan monitoring. I think I need a little help working out how to split the planet into sections.

# 200km will take around 8-12 minutes to survey depending on speed. A nice round number
# Merope 5C Radius = 1,478 km
# Merope 5C Circumference = 9,286.54 km
# sections around circumference ~ 46

However what I am not sure about is what distance between tracks.

If you travel 200km at approximately 2km height what distance are you able to survey either side of you?

Rough estimate, i would say 4 to 6 km to each side, 8 at most, assuming we are in a planice. Of course I can see a lot more, however I cannot assure I would be able to see any anomaly that is any further away.

Corrected other typo's , but what's a planice when it's at home?

So until we have something to use by the techno-mage , I wondered about testing out viewing distances at 2km altitude & other parameters.
My 1st question/problem is, to achieve a 10km separation at the equator, what distance or degrees separation do we/I need to move by at the poles? ......... I suppose I could start/stop at the equator instead & simply travel 10km across & note the degrees longitude moved, then we could use that figure instead of regulating speed & timing it...... yep, that sounds much easier than trying to do it near the poles! .

My I Eagle can travel at 500 m/s without boosting, so that's a nice round figure, so 10km will take 20s. Hmm, will the moon's rotation make much impact on that??

 

[Louis Calvert]

got to say again LCU your EDMC plugin is really coming into its own right now

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

got to say again LCU your EDMC plugin is really coming into its own right now

Thanks Did you get the message about Celaeno on the news line?

Techno magic will take me a little while. I have another little job to do for Sol Sweep before I can properly start and the maths for a sweep is a little interesting. I think I have got the maths right but I need to prove it.

My packet estimates look about right which bothers me a little as it is a lot of ground to cover.

I think it might be useful to map surface features from up high and produce a list of features which we can then use as a target list for investigation

We could have a web form to enter coordinates type and proposed name for the features.

123:-23 ,Crater, Sea of Assimilation , screenshot.url

When we have our list we can explore them at 2km

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

Looks like we have a new mission. Basilisk Thargoids in Electra