Thargoid Data Gathering Effort: We need your help!

[LCU No Fool Like One]

Hey there.

I went to visit the newly discovered inra base, the one used as a bait to test new weapons on the aliens. Listening to the 3rd log I realize there are actuall Thargoid battle sounds there. So I extracted the audio and cleaned the back noise.

If I can have access to the sounds I could run it through some analysis tools. But I understand that 2.4 mystery's are not supposed to require tools outside of the game so probably no a lot of point.

1) The weapons firing at first sound a lot as the Thargoid blasters. May this indicate that the "mothership" they are talking about may actually be one of the Interceptors we are finding nowadays? Or may it mean that INRA tried to reverse engineer the thargoid weaponry?

I guess back in the day they would have been used to those little wireframe ships, so I imagine an interceptor would look huge to them.

2) Just before the "missiles" (assuming they are missiles) hit, you can hear what appears to be a Thargoid wail, but it is vastly different from any sound emitted by the Interceptors. May this be a clue that there are still new ship types to be discovered or killed by?

By the way, LCU: I have finally being hyperdicted for the first time (Finally!). I can confirm your plugin did capture the event perfectly

Excellent! You can call me Fool BTW. There's no fool like an old fool

 

[Cunder]

Anyone here specializes in Cymatic sounds or had any experience with it? I'm curious if the 3 Devices ( Probe, Link, Sensor ) create any sort of patterns that would result in more clues or solving something while they communicate to each other.

 

[M. Volgrand]

We have an outlier on the NHSS map Hyades Sector GW-W d1-71

It was manually entered by an unknown commander on the 5th October


Ring any bells?

If we can establish human error as the reason then we will need someone to go out there and cruise for NHSS. Given its distance from Merope I would hazard a guess that you would have to be in system an hour before you saw anything

It does, I made that entry. However I can´t confirm if I made a mistake when I reported it :S I´ll head there later today and check if I can get another NHSS

 

[M. Volgrand]

Anyone here specializes in Cymatic sounds or had any experience with it? I'm curious if the 3 Devices ( Probe, Link, Sensor ) create any sort of patterns that would result in more clues or solving something while they communicate to each other.

I believe the sounds have been widely studied already. They did hid forms of morse or binary (octal) code that would hide clues, like coordinates and the stuff. If you visit www.canonn.science you will find a wiki with all the information to date. There is a lot to cover, so don´t get scared by the volume of text!

 

[Assimilator1]

We have an outlier on the NHSS map Hyades Sector GW-W d1-71

It was manually entered by an unknown commander on the 5th October



Ring any bells?

If we can establish human error as the reason then we will need someone to go out there and cruise for NHSS. Given its distance from Merope I would hazard a guess that you would have to be in system an hour before you saw anything

*ahem* I brought this to your attention the other day & answered the question within in my own post .
The entry is in the auto log & not the manual log, it is a distress call & not an NHSS

I see you replied then, you thought it was in the manual log (even though I'd already said is was in the auto 1 ), I had meant to correct you back then but that little discussion got lost in the argument with Dr Doom.

[update] Wth? Both the log sheets have changed now, have you deleted a load from the manual sheet? I only see 5 entries now. And I'm sure Hyades Sector GW-W d1-71 was in the autolog sheet only once when I last looked for it.......

Ah, is Fuchsnase M.Volgrand? If so that explains all the new entries, btw you didn't need to go there lol

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

*ahem* I brought this to your attention the other day & answered the question within in my own post .
The entry is in the auto log & not the manual log, it is a distress call & not an NHSS

I see you replied then, you thought it was in the manual log (even though I'd already said is was in the auto 1 ), I had meant to correct you back then but that little discussion got lost in the argument with Dr Doom.

[update] Wth? Both the log sheets have changed now, have you deleted a load from the manual sheet? I only see 5 entries now. And I'm sure Hyades Sector GW-W d1-71 was in the autolog sheet only once when I last looked for it.......

Ah, is Fuchsnase M.Volgrand? If so that explains all the new entries, btw you didn't need to go there lol

Yes. Thanks for pointing it out

It was also in the manual log but with a carriage return in front of it hence the ? On the map. There were a couple of other data quality issues.

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

I think the spreasheets might have filters on. Ill check when I get to a PC

 

[Assimilator1]

Ah ok, cool . Maybe the extra character it had in front of it meant I didn't see it in the system sort filter I did.

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

Ah ok, cool . Maybe the extra character it had in front of it meant I didn't see it in the system sort filter I did.

The last real manual entry was back on the 31st October. The manual sheet is mainly populated by clicking on the EDMC plugin. Make a bit of a difference to data quality for sure.

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

Regarding the planetary scan monitoring. I think I need a little help working out how to split the planet into sections.

# 200km will take around 8-12 minutes to survey depending on speed. A nice round number
# Merope 5C Radius = 1,478 km
# Merope 5C Circumference = 9,286.54 km
# sections around circumference ~ 46

However what I am not sure about is what distance between tracks.

If you travel 200km at approximately 2km hight what distance are you able to survey either side of you?

 

[M. Volgrand]

Regarding the planetary scan monitoring. I think I need a little help working out how to split the planet into sections.

# 200km will take around 8-12 minutes to survey depending on speed. A nice round number
# Merope 5C Radius = 1,478 km
# Merope 5C Circumference = 9,286.54 km
# sections around circumference ~ 46

However what I am not sure about is what distance between tracks.

If you travel 200km at approximately 2km hight what distance are you able to survey either side of you?

Rought stimate, i would say 4 to 6 km to each side, 8 at most, assuming we are in a planice. Of course I can see a lot more, however I cannot assure I would be able to see any anomaly that is any further away.

 

[Assimilator1]

Hmm, no idea personally, but what I did for my Thargoid Structures hunt on 1st surveying a particular size planet, was to find a unique feature on the surface & then SC away xx degrees, drop out & see how well I could see it, & then either double back if I lost it or it was barely visible, or carried on if I could still see it easily. So via trail & error & using a unique feature I found the latitude & long. steps I needed to take. Obviously at 2km alt. we wouldn't be in SC, but the same method could be used to determine search strips (long. degree separation).

Or, you could use complicated maths to calculate the optimal separation, but I don't have a clue there .

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

Or, you could use complicated maths to calculate the optimal separation, but I don't have a clue there .

I'm going to have to use complicated maths I'm hoping its not beyond my abilities!

Rought stimate, i would say 4 to 6 km to each side, 8 at most, assuming we are in a planice. Of course I can see a lot more, however I cannot assure I would be able to see any anomaly that is any further away.

Lets split the difference and call it 5km then we have 10km strips of planet cut into 200km sections.

Using complicated maths Area of a sphere = 4πr^2 Area of Merope = 2.75x10^7km divided by the area of our search strips (2000) and we get approximately 13,750 search strips.

At 10 minutes per strip that is 137,750 minutes or 2,291 hours or 95 man days.

If ten of us search then we only need spend 9 days each looking to get 100% coverage.

Totally doable

 

[Louis Calvert]

Exciting!

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

Exciting!

I Think Gnosis will be in system next week.

 

[Louis Calvert]

It'll be good having the ability to be pretty certain the surface has been entirely searched. Even if we find nothing at all, that's at least a result.

 

[Archduke]

I have turned in a black box at a station's Search and Rescue but never noticed or got a mission to retrieve another black box for 2 mil CRs. Where or how are you getting these missions?

When you engage Thargoids, do you attack or just scan them?

I fight for all humankind and will not faslter in the facer of the enemy. You should too.

 

[LCU No Fool Like One]

It'll be good having the ability to be pretty certain the surface has been entirely searched. Even if we find nothing at all, that's at least a result.

I have been told on the cartographics discord that they are pretty certain there is nothing to find in Merope.

There was a POI bug. If you scanned a POI in system then it revealed all other POIs in the system. Once Canonn figured that out they rushed to Merope to check.

I still think it is a useful app to have and one of our guys is taking a look to see if he canhelp me with the maths for the waypoints

 

[Assimilator1]

I'm going to have to use complicated maths I'm hoping its not beyond my abilities!



Lets split the difference and call it 5km then we have 10km strips of planet cut into 200km sections.

Using complicated maths Area of a sphere = 4πr^2 Area of Merope = 2.75x10^7km divided by the area of our search strips (2000) and we get approximately 13,750 search strips.

At 10 minutes per strip that is 137,750 minutes or 2,291 hours or 95 man days.

If ten of us search then we only need spend 9 days each looking to get 100% coverage.

Totally doable

Lol, that's still a lot of time! , but yeah it is do-able . I'll join ya & break off my NHSS mapping/pod rescue mission. I've been looking for an excuse to fly the Blackbird SR 71 ...... damn, I think I've left it in the (main) bubble!

Btw, in your calculations, you said Merope, I assume you meant 5c? (That is where the probes point right?)
Oh, and are we ready for a search yet? As in we're agreed that a 5km viewing distance is the right distance?

If so I'll break off S&R mission straight away to get the Blackbird (Imp Eagle, boosts to ~660 ).

 

[lordSutch]

Hi Everyone,

New here, I'm a fan of the original on the Beeb and started playing on the PS4 a few weeks ago. Since getting into it, I've been researching the storyline avidly, and utterly intrigued. I started off just going around doing missions and got myself an asp explorer I'm now flying around in. I'm particularly interested in the Thargoid storyline and been following it from a lot of sources.

Anyway, I've been flying around all the Pleadies sector, just having a look around, encountering the thargoids at unknown signal sources, and at the sites where the last community goal was, but my ship is still woefully unequipped to deal with any kind of serious threat.

Now I read a lot of this thread, but I may have missed something, and it's been bugging, so I have to ask...

I've visited the areas where these interdictions are supposed to occur, just looking for meta alloys to unlock farseer, looking up sites and so, but still flying around the sector, but I haven't got interdicted from witchspace. I've encountered the thargoid at a wreck site, it scanned me, yadada, but i took no action and just watched it. Itr left me on my own, did this a few times, just anytime it looked angry, I backed off.

How many of you here have taken offensive action with one of these things in the past? From what I can tell, it's pretty much impossible to not get scanned, what if they're sharing that data like you are here, and identifying cmdrs who make trouble for them? Just like I see posts here trying to analyse the symbols?

Not sure if this has been asked before, so, so, much info.