I have very few modules on my ships and have no issues getting away or killing elite NPC's. As to players, I am not that good so I generally run.
New upgrade System - "Your time is valueable"- is a pure grind and waste of everyones time
I have very few modules on my ships and have no issues getting away or killing elite NPC's. As to players, I am not that good so I generally run.
Do all of you just agree with anything Fdev does. This engineer roll changing to HAVE to go through 5 levels for ONE modification is INSANE.
But hey; then "we" (not that there is a "we") wouldn't be able to whine about something they haven't tested or even really looked at yet.
Oh right; that's the "casual gamers".....
Precisely how I play, so the new system is not going to make any difference for me. I just play the game.
Take a G5 FSD range upgrade for example... Very unlikely you are going to get a +54% overspec or higher Optimized Mass upgrade with just 5 rolls. It takes that very rare secondary effect to even get .5% over the max of +50% OM.
All my ships have at least a +52% overspec OM on their FSD drive and it took hundreds of rolls to end up with those.
We shall see if such an overspec has been built into the new system to make a similar FSD upgrade possible. Sandro said secondary effects were being baked into the new upgrade system so we shall see.
I'm definitely trying out the new system with 5A FSD drives day one of the Beta. (For practice with upgrading the Chieftain)
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The grind is dead, long live the grind.
My faith is being sorely tested.
My faith is being sorely tested.
Just FYI. In the live stream Ed unlocked G2 with three (3) G1 rolls. On the other hand he didn't seem to unlock G3 with five (5) G2 rolls. So RNG gives and takes here.
Each roll seemed to advance progression about 5 to 40 %. So boldly assuming
- that RNG limit progression between is 1 to 50 % (of the whole 100 %)
- and Grade upgrade limit is 95 %
- then each grade would need on average a bit less than 4 rolls.
(Ok, that is just an informed guess but at least it is based on something!
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Each roll seemed to advance progression about 5 to 40 %. So boldly assuming
- that RNG limit progression between is 1 to 50 % (of the whole 100 %)
- and Grade upgrade limit is 95 %
- then each grade would need on average a bit less than 4 rolls.
(Ok, that is just an informed guess but at least it is based on something!
)If it takes 3 minutes to go from 1 to 5, what's the problem? Especially if all of those rolls are better than the last one was. Sounds like you haven't used the current system very much.
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Or, I can grab a new FSD, shoot for a G5 roll immediately and get a pretty good (whatever the non-secondary boosted max is) though not god roll with 1-2 rolls. With the new system, I have to spend time rolling up each grade before finally getting near that roll. The difference here is it is guaranteed to be there when you get there. The 'improvements' depend on your perspective and goals. If I was never shooting for that max roll, I was never rolling hundreds of times, the amount of time spent rolling actually becomes worse.. the amount of time spent gathering materials becomes worse.
Engineering will always be a grind. Sandro said in the feed '...Engineering was always meant to be a long progress which was intended to be done over time, while playing..' or similar wording.
Still can't believe that players want to just collect 1 material, take it to 1 Engineer, do 1 roll & have every module on every ship. Or take a short cut by buying the improvements. Because they can't they shout 'Grind, grind, grind!'
I knew what I was getting into when Engineers first came along.
Yes Iv used Engineers, Yes Iv spent hours collecting mats for each module RNG roll.
But Iv picked my modules & chosen the ones that suit me, on which ships I want & left the rest.
The changes to me look reasonable, but until I try it out on beta, then I'll decide whether or not to go back to Engineering to improve my ships further.
If you think it's a grind then don't do it, you don't need every one of the best grade 5 modules on every ship you own....do you?
Still can't believe that players want to just collect 1 material, take it to 1 Engineer, do 1 roll & have every module on every ship. Or take a short cut by buying the improvements. Because they can't they shout 'Grind, grind, grind!'
I knew what I was getting into when Engineers first came along.
Yes Iv used Engineers, Yes Iv spent hours collecting mats for each module RNG roll.
But Iv picked my modules & chosen the ones that suit me, on which ships I want & left the rest.
The changes to me look reasonable, but until I try it out on beta, then I'll decide whether or not to go back to Engineering to improve my ships further.
If you think it's a grind then don't do it, you don't need every one of the best grade 5 modules on every ship you own....do you?
if it takes 3 minutes to go from 1 to 5, what's the problem? Especially if all of those rolls are better than the last. Sounds like you haven't used the current system very much.
You seriously think it takes 3 minutes to collect the materials to go from g1 to g5? What are you talking about?
The materials trader will make it simpler to gather materials. Simply get together the "top range" materials for the mod you are looking for, and trade them down to get materials for the lower grades. You can then work your way through mods from 1 to 5 at a sitting.
But it will mean obtaining a lot more of those top range materials. I will be searching for more Arsenic and Cadmium for the FSD at Farseer and for Thrusters at Pailin.
If you have a big ship with many weapons, that is going to take a lot of material to get through each weapon, but maybe not as many as the hundreds some players have undertaken in the old system.
But it will mean obtaining a lot more of those top range materials. I will be searching for more Arsenic and Cadmium for the FSD at Farseer and for Thrusters at Pailin.
If you have a big ship with many weapons, that is going to take a lot of material to get through each weapon, but maybe not as many as the hundreds some players have undertaken in the old system.
That's why you also fly your ships with C rated modules only, right?..
Says it all? What a smug and dismissive attitude. The current MAX is still rather hard to obtain with the current system. No guarantee you will ever reach it. YOU WILL reach it with the new system.
With the current system, if you are going to sit there for an hour rolling hundreds of times, you may as well go for an overspec. And if you are smart and work with multiple copies of the module, you never loose a good roll either way.
If the new system can do all that in obtaining the max ceiling in a fraction of the time, without the need to buy and ship in multiple modules what is the problem? It will certainly take less game time to accomplish.
It may or may not be capable of an overspec upgrade, but that isn't 100% confirmed yet. You will at least reach the max of +50% OM on your FSD range upgrade, which is more than most players currently have even after hours of attempts at something that high.
Again...Do you guys even use the current engineer system? You seem to be really in the dark about how it works.
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But Xon.... That's exactly what they did... Click 20 times to get a god roll.