Chieftain Size and perhaps other specs

Riverside · Oct 9, 2017

DNA-Decay said:
For what it's worth, The front end looks like a direct mod of the Keelback / T-6 front end.

So I'm kinda with Livvy in that this is a Medium ship.

I agree with the T-6/keelback comparison. To my eyes the forward 2/3rds of the main hull looks about the size of a T-6. The relative size of the human forms in the cockpit suggests this too I think.

I'm guessing 4x medium hardpoints on the nacelle tops & a ventral large (or two small). Don't know about the utility slots but just because there's places for 8 (or 9) doesn't mean the final product will use all of them. Pure guess: six.

nathdixon92 · Oct 9, 2017

Riverside said:
I agree with the T-6/keelback comparison. To my eyes the forward 2/3rds of the main hull looks about the size of a T-6. The relative size of the human forms in the cockpit suggests this too I think.

I'm guessing 4x medium hardpoints on the nacelle tops & a ventral large (or two small). Don't know about the utility slots but just because there's places for 8 (or 9) doesn't mean the final product will use all of them. Pure guess: six.

The under side looks like it houses two large

Riverside · Oct 9, 2017

nathdixon92 said:
The under side looks like it houses two large

Could be

The doors only have to be bigger than the mount, and may not be used at all (like the small mount doors on the DBX)

Cmdr Tel · Oct 9, 2017

Well if they specced it for goid hunting 4M weapons for momma, 1 for the emergency shield and one hard point for the Thargons would make sense. Now add scanners and pd's etc plus a reasonably fast agile ship that was not rank locked and less expensive than an FDL you would end up with something like this. The three seats would also make the turrets viable for multicrew. Sounds a good hunter to me and maybe even a decent rival to FDL if the specs are good enough.

PS And thinking on it some more in context with the carrier coming and squadrons this would really be what you would want if going to war. You wouldn't be shuttling many large ships such as T10's around so there maybe some limit on those carriers and room for some little fighters too, hopefully.

Nalessa · Oct 9, 2017

Hope the Chieftain or Krait will be around FGS price, to fill that gap between Vulture and Python/FDL as a combat option without needing to grind ranks.

I know the Chieftain will be Alliance related, but will it be locked behind ranks though? Or perhaps you just need to raise your reputation with a minor faction within the Alliance to get it?

nathdixon92 · Oct 9, 2017

Nalessa said:
Hope the Chieftain or Krait will be around FGS price, to fill that gap between Vulture and Python/FDL as a combat option without needing to grind ranks.

I know the Chieftain will be Alliance related, but will it be locked behind ranks though? Or perhaps you just need to raise your reputation with a minor faction within the Alliance to get it?

I'd be happy if the Chieftain was in the FDL/Python territory for cost. The FDL needs a true competitor at that price range - gets a little boring seeing everyone in one lol

Surprised Brony · Oct 9, 2017

If it flies as well as an answer to Thargoid aggression should, I don't care how large it is. I'll gladly put my credits on the table for that beauty. :3

yolomcbobbinz · Oct 9, 2017

The front looks the same size as the t6 then add the thruster pylons I'd say it's a little bit larger than a keelback im definitely using it as my do everything ship and sell my python

HamishUK · Oct 9, 2017

Olivia Vespera said:
And yet it is.

As Gallileo once said when he recanted his beliefs of a heliocentric solar system in protest, "And yet it moves".

if you had a clearer image i think you'll find that hatch is a cargo hatch. (the one at the front right?)

I get it doesn't follow what came before but it is something new and my methodology for getting the scale of the ship, unless you've noticed a fault in it, isn't wrong.

Your methodology is very wrong. I can clearly see the size of the two man cockpit in my Python and by comparing the Chieftens the latters is much bigger. Three crew one at the front and two set back slightly. Take a look at the side cockpit image.

Your argument is nonsense. A small ship with three crew makes little game sense it's about perspective.

Olivia Vespera · Oct 9, 2017

HamishUK said:
Your methodology is very wrong. I can clearly see the size of the two man cockpit in my Python and by comparing the Chieftens the latters is much bigger. Three crew one at the front and two set back slightly. Take a look at the side cockpit image.

Your argument is nonsense. A small ship with three crew makes little game sense it's about perspective.

Not a small ship. A medium ship. I don't think you understand what I did and I'd beg you to check how i got to my results again..

I'm not comparing cockpit sizes in my methodology. I'm using the human scale reference in the source image. (which you can find if you look at the album in the credits of the image i created) We know the size of a human in the chieftain reference, we know what an average human shoulder width is, and we know how many human shoulder widths make a sidewinder.

Via that we can compare it.

Have you tried that?

Hope that helps. ^^

adamthomas1994 · Oct 9, 2017

Olivia Vespera said:
https://i.imgur.com/EnUC66U.png

I created this image after seeing various estimates of how big folks thought the Chieftain was.

I realised this could be done by using the human scale reference in some of the scale images.
What I didn't realise when making it was actually how small the Chieftain really is.
I think the Chieftain has the largest cockpit size to number of human ratio on any ship.
It seems to be not much larger than a keelback and would fit comfortably in the dimensions of an Asp explorer.
What most interesting about it is that it is shown as a 3 person ship. Only time will tell if that is true.

What we can also tell from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfBn-NWh0z0

is that it seems that the Chieftain has 4 size 2 hardpoints on the top and 2 utility slots.

What else have you noticed?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/219391569902436352/366641137483644928/unknown.png

Beseiger hazards that there are 9 utility slots and 6 hardpoints on the Chieftain of which the top 4 are large (2 assumed on the bottom) and thus the ship must be a large ship because no multicrew ship with this number of utility slots and hardpoints can be a medium ship.

While I understand the logic I disagree on some of his premises. I think the middle most utility slot is too large compared to the rest so it isn't a utility slot (so a total of 8)
And i think those 4 large hardpoints on the top are actually medium hardpoints.

And that there are medium ships with 6 or more hardpoints, such as the Asp or the Federal Gunship. (of varying weapon sizes)

What do you think?

If it comes in as a slightly bigger, definitely meaner ASP Explorer type ship that'd be pretty cool. I love the ASP Ex for how versatile it is and having another ship take on that mantle will be a nice change!

Banana's_Are_Good_For_You · Oct 9, 2017

Does the winner get a prize?

I'll just be happy if either the Krait or the Chieftain is another medium ship tbh. I think think the game needs one.

I'd go with the Chieftain being medium, it looks more like a medium ship...for what it's worth.

metatheurgist · Oct 9, 2017

Weird. Am I the only person that's content to wait and see it delivered rather than make pointless and probably incorrect speculation about everything? Is this the local fish market?

CMDR Redcrest · Oct 9, 2017

metatheurgist said:
Weird. Am I the only person that's content to wait and see it delivered rather than make pointless and probably incorrect speculation about everything? Is this the local fish market?

I'm happy to wait and see but also enjoy some speculation!

graeme.firth · Oct 9, 2017

I think there maybe quite some salt when delivered - Clearly it is a medium sized ship (asp size), and has 4 medium hard points.

I'm willing to take bets in Palladium.

Olivia Vespera · Oct 9, 2017

Banana's_Are_Good_For_You said:
Does the winner get a prize?

I'll just be happy if either the Krait or the Chieftain is another medium ship tbh. I think think the game needs one.

I'd go with the Chieftain being medium, it looks more like a medium ship...for what it's worth.

No but I think it tells us something interesting if Frontier is thinking of releasing 2 medium sized multicrew ships and that is Frontier wants to support more ease of access to multicrew and make playing together in a crew fun.

It's possible that these two ships were meant to (and quite well when they come out) fill a void in the roster where there aren't many viable medium ship slf fighter options beyond the keelback and the federation locked gunship.

As part of this speculation on specs:

I think the chieftain has rear engine pylon landing gear and forward fuselage mounted landing gear.

Captain Willard · Oct 9, 2017

And you have to allied with the alliance, make us work for our dinner.

CMDR Redcrest · Oct 9, 2017

graeme.firth said:
I think there maybe quite some salt when delivered - Clearly it is a medium sized ship (asp size), and has 4 medium hard points.

I'm willing to take bets in Palladium.

Well the Aspx can fit a size 6 shield. So as long the base should multiplier is good (not the paper on the Aspx or the paper you get from the size 7 slot on the Clipper) I don't really care how big it is.
I'm hoping for two large to (hell I'd accept one large HP!) go with those 4 medium. A proper dedicated combat anti Thargoid ship.

Kaocraft · Oct 9, 2017

deuzerre said:
Ok, so there are two videos on youtube pprovided by FD with the new Krait (who's scale has been given somewhere) and the Chieftain. If you look at the chieftain at the 6 & 23 second mark, you can clearly see the pilot's chair's profile in the cockpit. Compare it to the size of the Krait's pilot's chair (in white, visible at around the 2 and 27 second mark) and while the scales and angles are different, you can see that the chair in the Chieftain's much "bigger" for the scale of the ship compared to the Krait's (which seems like it'll have one of the worst lateral line of sights ever)?

Chieftain
https://youtu.be/cfBn-NWh0z0?t=6

Krait
https://youtu.be/cz5JVeOTv-8?t=2

I'll tell you what I *did* notice from those videos: The Krait is a 3-seater as well, with 3 mini-cockpits.

JonSnowman · Oct 9, 2017

Olivia Vespera said:
No but I think it tells us something interesting if Frontier is thinking of releasing 2 medium sized multicrew ships and that is Frontier wants to support more ease of access to multicrew and make playing together in a crew fun.

It's possible that these two ships were meant to (and quite well when they come out) fill a void in the roster where there aren't many viable medium ship slf fighter options beyond the keelback and the federation locked gunship.

I don't think multi-crew is "not fun" because of the ship options...more because there is no content that:

1. requires multi-crew
2. rewards it
3. is more fun with multi-crew

I'd rather see this ship fill the hole in between the ASP, Gunship, and the Python. And that would be a multi-role ship with more manoeuvrability than the python, and a similar jump range.