Chieftain Size and perhaps other specs

kofeyh

kofeyh
besieger said:
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Its a large ship, 3 crew, 9 utilitys, 6 weapons... yea much bigger.
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Definately a large ship. If 3 people are expected to sit within the cockpit, and we assume the cockpit shares the typical 'triangle' 3-seat layout, or 'l-shape' tandem + REO, this is going to be a large ship; even if two seats sit further back in the hull, it still a large ship, I think. The areas pointed to, look like utility mounts; that would be 8-9 in total. Which is consistent with a large combat oriented ship.

There does look to be a huge hardpoint on the spine, behind the central utility mount? And I'd wager the hardpoints are obscured behind the utility mounts. I'm not sure exactly how frontier represent hardpoints in their 3d mockups, but that large door behind the central utility slot screams class 4 to me. It's in a great spot for fixed, gimbal or turret for multi-crew though. Lots of options for.. activities.

I'm predicting 1x c4, 4x c2, plausibly 1x c3 slung underneath. But you are (fairly obviously) more familiar with hardpoints than I am, so.. I'll defer. I just hope it doesn't have the tree-trunk-as-a-dashboard the lakon's all suffer from.
 
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kofeyh

kofeyh
CMDR Redcrest said:
Beseiger: where do get 9 utilities and six weapons in that pic?
I want six weapons granted.
9 utilities seems a weird amount.
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The arrows essentially point to 'cut-out' locations (square within a square) that are indicative of utility mounts. There's an obvious class 4 door on the spine behind the top most utility mount, and there looks to be (they are partly obscured) harpoint doors behind a number of the utility mounts. It's a 3d representation, not a final render so I'd take any existing layout with a punch of salt, all the same.

Frontier have a habit of showing a 3d render mock up and the eventual ship looks entirely different. The type-10 appears to already be an in-game asset, so that's far more likely to be an accurate depiction.
 

m1dane24

m1dane24
Since we're all guessing might as well chip in my guess :)

I think it'll be a Medium-sized ship, around the size of the Gunship based on all the concept art and 3D models shown so far. 2 large HPs and 3 - 4 medium HPs with 5 - 6 utility slots. None-SLF capable too, i think.

We're already getting a large ship, the T-10 (if that really is confirmed) so i dont think we'll get another large ship. Making it a medium sized ship and non-rank locked makes it more accessible to a larger number of players due to a lower ship price (cheaper outfitting too because i guess the biggest would be a size 6).

Anyway, whatever it is, it's good. New ships are always welcome :)
 

CMDR Redcrest

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kofeyh said:
The arrows essentially point to 'cut-out' locations (square within a square) that are indicative of utility mounts. There's an obvious class 4 door on the spine behind the top most utility mount, and there looks to be (they are partly obscured) harpoint doors behind a number of the utility mounts. It's a 3d representation, not a final render so I'd take any existing layout with a punch of salt, all the same.

Frontier have a habit of showing a 3d render mock up and the eventual ship looks entirely different. The type-10 appears to already be an in-game asset, so that's far more likely to be an accurate depiction.
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Just to be sure we're not talking at cross purposes here: by utilities I mean places for heatsinks, chaff and point defence etc.
If those 9 circles are utilities where's the hard point (weapon) slots?
Slow night shift for me so my apologies if I'm being a bit thick!
 

Marc D. Ogre

Marc D. Ogre
According to information given by the Devs at the Expo aftershow party, it is going to be medium size, and a heavy fighter special purpose ship. Hardpoint size and placement is not final yet, so we can't say anything about that. For more info, see the Josh Hawkins brocast at youtube.
 

Cmdr Esteban

Cmdr Esteban
Marc D. Ogre said:
According to information given by the Devs at the Expo aftershow party, it is going to be medium size, and a heavy fighter special purpose ship. Hardpoint size and placement is not final yet, so we can't say anything about that. For more info, see the Josh Hawkins brocast at youtube.
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Thanks Marc, that's good to know.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
The weapons on the top of the Chieftain look like the AX MCs and they look tiny. Normal medium sized MCs look bigger on a FDS.
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Depends if you consider the 'wings' as part of the overall size, imagine if you lopped them off, I bet the fuselage is about the same size as a fas (also without its wings). That's kinda what I meant. :)
 

Gypsy12

Gypsy12
Olivia Vespera said:
Not a small ship. A medium ship. I don't think you understand what I did and I'd beg you to check how i got to my results again..

I'm not comparing cockpit sizes in my methodology. I'm using the human scale reference in the source image. (which you can find if you look at the album in the credits of the image i created) We know the size of a human in the chieftain reference, we know what an average human shoulder width is, and we know how many human shoulder widths make a sidewinder.

Via that we can compare it.

Have you tried that?

Hope that helps. ^^
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I think FD purposely did this to toy with us. Why not show us a sitting commander? After that fact... All speculation is well... Speculation!
Sorry Arry'

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Bunkerkind Anni

Bunkerkind Anni
i think many speculating here forget that
1. concept mockup, even if 3D contain lots of copy&paste elements, as seen with the four engine pods there
2. ships will have a landing gear behind doors that some may mistake as weapon slots
3. ships will have heat vents opening up

i tend more towards something gunship sized with a similar firepower.

so, my bet is 4x medium (visible above the cockpit) and 2x large on the underside, on the labeled doors 1 and 2.

and somehow its missing a visible location for a SLF bay - but maybe that one is hidden like on saud krueger ships, or the T9
missing, because what else would the third crewmember do? I do not know of any way to have two gunner...
 

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
Bunkerkind Anni said:
i think many speculating here forget that
1. concept mockup, even if 3D contain lots of copy&paste elements, as seen with the four engine pods there
2. ships will have a landing gear behind doors that some may mistake as weapon slots
3. ships will have heat vents opening up

i tend more towards something gunship sized with a similar firepower.

so, my bet is 4x medium (visible above the cockpit) and 2x large on the underside, on the labeled doors 1 and 2.

and somehow its missing a visible location for a SLF bay - but maybe that one is hidden like on saud krueger ships, or the T9
missing, because what else would the third crewmember do? I do not know of any way to have two gunner...
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I am not sure it will have a SLF. It could be hidden I suppose, but the back of the ship looks too thin to have one, so it will have to be at the front section somewhere.
 

[VR] Goooost

[VR] Goooost
the100thmonkey said:
That seems to be based on cockpit size only though, rather than using an absolute reference point.
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Olivia Vespera said:
I've seen that estimation and it's just based on canopy size and has no basis on a shared scale reference. The image is rubbish. Not that you are rubbish or that the artist who made it is rubbish, just that the image itself does not show scales accurately.

My image is based on human references that are in the source image such that a sidewinder (or any other ship for that matter) could be scaled accurately.

Frontier has a history of making ship canopies larger than needed that usually throws off scale... This is the first time where I've seen the canopy scaled more realistically. It's comparable to star citizen proportions.
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More accurate than using a drawing of the ship. When I compared the pilot size from the model to the other models, I was getting somewhere around that size. It isn't small.

All your image says is, "oh, they must have made the pilot too big in the concept art."
 
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Howard o Pato

Howard o Pato
I just think it's not so small when compared to the image at the beginning of the post, because it would be useless four crew seats if you do not have a Fighter's bay, (there may be more rardpoits we can not see at first) nor can it be compared to the cockpit of T9, look at the size of the chairs and the space between it and the glass.

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I honestly think it will be the size of an FDL
Compete with these ships


But this is not my focus. I'll talk about the 4th reversed chair.

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This ship would be interesting if it is search-specific and if new crew functions appear.
The chair on my back puzzles me, it can only be a new function that does not require attention to what rolls in combat and everything else off the ship.


It can be cartography or analysis you would maintain.
If this function can not be accessed by the pilot this requires a crew to function which would be very good to see

dreaming: imagine a cartographer who can access the image of the planet (which is now of no use to the planet's appearance on the map) and can mark latitude and longitude, and better still, in an orbital flyover, it can sweep the area within reach by signals weak geyser ships and things aliem.
 
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