I think we all oughta consider the bigger picture when answering the question of which animals get in the base game.

Sure, a sizable amount of PZ's playerbase are massive nerds like us, who might argue the Giant Panda makes sense as a DLC animal. But imagine more casual players who aren't super knowledgeable about animals/zoos, or younger players; the lack of the Panda in the base game would probably be bizarre to them, just because of its iconic status, and they'd probably feel more scammed having to buy it as DLC as opposed to paying extra for something less commonly known like a Binturong or Takin (even though we know those animals are common in zoos).

Obviously, if you're arguing against a particular animal being basegame for personal reasons, that's a different and still completely valid story, but if we're looking at it realistically, there's no universe where they don't include the Panda in PZ2 imo.
 
I think we all oughta consider the bigger picture when answering the question of which animals get in the base game.

Sure, a sizable amount of PZ's playerbase are massive nerds like us, who might argue the Giant Panda makes sense as a DLC animal. But imagine more casual players who aren't super knowledgeable about animals/zoos, or younger players; the lack of the Panda in the base game would probably be bizarre to them, just because of its iconic status, and they'd probably feel more scammed having to buy it as DLC as opposed to paying extra for something less commonly known like a Binturong or Takin (even though we know those animals are common in zoos).

Obviously, if you're arguing against a particular animal being basegame for personal reasons, that's a different and still completely valid story, but if we're looking at it realistically, there's no universe where they don't include the Panda in PZ2 imo.
Your points are valid, but remember that PZ1 had a few glaring exceptions, notably the African Rhino, Jaguar, Polar Bear, Penguin, Seal, Kangaroo, etc. Even with those(and more) glaring exceptions, PZ1 was a huge hit. Those missing animals generated a lot of excitement and anticipation among both nerds and the general fanbase for their inclusion into DLCs. I mean, for about a 3 year stretch, DLC anticipation was insanely fun to speculate on.

It's a business decision, and a really good one. PZ1 has nearly all "essential" zoo animals aside from aquatics and birds. If they decide not to include all the current animals in PZ2, it makes very good sense for Frontier to take out a couple of the big ticket animals, give them a major revamp, and put them as a headliner in some DLCs.
 
Also, why would we as players think as corporate as "this animal would sell good in DLC". That doesn't make an animal less essential for the base game.

For planet zoo 1 one of my first thoughts when the roster of the game was known was actually how crazy it was that there was no penguin, kangaroo & polar bear in the base game. If something could be DLC, doesn't mean you should want it as a player.
 
Also, why would we as players think as corporate as "this animal would sell good in DLC".
Thank you for saying this. Actively wanting to pay for old content with no guarantee of any updates is conceding way too much ground against corporations. People need to remember that we have influence in that we’re the reason why corporations make money. We should be using that as a chip against anti-consumer practices and demand higher expectations from the media that we consume.
 
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Also, why would we as players think as corporate as "this animal would sell good in DLC". That doesn't make an animal less essential for the base game.
Yep exactly this. While some of the animals from the base game of PZ1 can be good headers for PZ2 DLCs, we need to keep in mind how important that animal is to the base game and how upset people would be if it wasn't included right off the bat.
 
Yep exactly this. While some of the animals from the base game of PZ1 can be good headers for PZ2 DLCs, we need to keep in mind how important that animal is to the base game and how upset people would be if it wasn't included right off the bat.
Thank you for saying this. Actively wanting to pay for old content with no guarantee of any updates is conceding way too much ground against corporations. People need to remember that we have influence in that we’re the reason why corporations make money. We should be using that as a chip against anti-consumer practices and demand higher expectations from the media that we consume.
To push back on this slightly. We don't know what PZ2 will be. We don't know how much emphasis will be put on gameplay, improved graphics...all that nerdy stuff.
We also don't know how much work needs to be done to update the models. Even if we assume that unnamed 2026 game will be PZ2, that means by that time we will have animal models ranging from 2 years old to 6+ years old. That's 200 models that will need at the very least, some touching up, and possibly major rework. And they only have limited time to do all this, as well as bringing major new things that make PZ2 significantly better than PZ1.

Would you all be satisfied with making every animal look decent and be able to keep them all? Or would you rather have solid re-works on 150 or so. Then when you get a chance to pay for some of those other animals in a DLC, you are paying for a significantly better model than PZ1, along with better features? Or would you prefer if PZ2 may be delayed for this?

Of course we would all love to keep every animal we have in game...but to put it in black and white as "we already paid for this from this greedy corporation" is way too simplistic. I get the concept. But we have no clue what PZ2 will look like, or what improvements are even made to it. If Frontier makes a massive overhaul to an animal regarding textures, behavior, mechanics, etc., that this animal did not have in PZ1, then can you honestly say that "you paid for it already?" Honest question. Because they just put a ton of extra work that significantly altered the animal that you paid for.

Sorry for the ramble. Not the best at being concise.
 
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