Console is dead, use the portal and GeForce now if you really want to continue to the play the game. It was a substantial gesture for Frontier to put the work in to create the portal and to give away a free copy of the base game to whoever wanted to cross-grade. There are no console woes for those who want to play, only trolls who want to keep using it as a stick to bash Frontier with, and is frankly irrelevant to this thread.
Python Mk II & Updates To The Gamestore
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I am not comparing CIG to FD, I am comparing the arguments used here by ED fans to defend this P2W crap to the arguments used by SC fans to defend their P2W crap and they are the same. Whether you like that or not.
There is a difference between voicing displeasures and ruining a livestream by spamming.
Yes absolutely vote with your wallet (which works!!). Post on the forum. Say you don't like it in the livestream.
Yep... And with both this released game and the perpetual alpha, it is up to the individual if they spend their money...
You may be offended for yourself, naturally, regardless of how others see it.
Why worry, just uphold your own morality and the rest of us will ours...
You'd support micro transactions? "Sorry, you've already made 5 jumps today. Buy more jumps in the Arx store to continue!"
I think we all have a line where "this will keep the game afloat" is no longer justified for the given action. Yours seems to be fairly relaxed, while others are less so. It's not so much that people "can't see it".
Personally, I believe that an older, niche game should be extremely cautious about alienating their existing player base in the hopes of attracting new players. I just feel that the potential for a surge in new players is not very high; at least not enough to warrant chasing off existing players.
Here's a question I've just thought of and I don't think I've seen mentioned yet (not saying no-one has, just that I've not seen it) ...
Let's say you have Odyssey. Let's say they announce the next ship variant after the Python mkII. Let's say that one is only available from the store for ARX. This applies to everyone, you have to pay ARX to get the ship. No ARX, no ship.
Now we skip ahead a bit. Frontier announce a new expansion. If you pay for this expansion, you get the previous ARX-only ships included. What do you think people's reaction to that will be?
Let's say you have Odyssey. Let's say they announce the next ship variant after the Python mkII. Let's say that one is only available from the store for ARX. This applies to everyone, you have to pay ARX to get the ship. No ARX, no ship.
Now we skip ahead a bit. Frontier announce a new expansion. If you pay for this expansion, you get the previous ARX-only ships included. What do you think people's reaction to that will be?
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?Because you know me IRL well enough to say that for certain.
A+ for phrasing it to make everyone except yourself out as idiots.
It's because they've got other projects they're running concurrently and they are obviously not strapped for cash. If they were in a bad financial spot, then it's weird the only sign of that would be a thing releasing early for real currency in just one of the games they're busy developing.
That is very hypothetical
But that is the same or even worse as:
- selling ship kits which you later give away for free for killing titans.
- Or for example the flower dbx (and T9) skin. Which I bought and was put on twitch drops 4 weeks later
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Horizons only ships? (before Odyssey launch)
Horizons folded in the base game before Odyssey?
As i said i fully expected them to release Odyssey only ships as an incentive for people to get Odyssey - and i would still prefer that instead of having the huge Exobio payouts as an Odyssey incentive.
Anyway, if you look how PZ and JWE work - their funding model - they release 3-4 PDLC every year containing new animals.
They could have done it for ED too - release PDLC containing ships several times per year.
And I honestly believe the Elite community would have been ok with that.
BUT, we all know there would always someone objecting.
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Yes, there would be, there always is, regardless...
Apparently it is an essential part of being a gamer
They've published that information in their investor brochures, so no need to guess either way.
Broadly, in recent years:
- definitely and comfortably profitable: Planet Coaster; Planet Zoo; both Jurassic Worlds
- very marginally profitable: Elite Dangerous, Chaos Gate, F1 Manager 2023 [1]
- giant money pit: Foundry (excluding Chaos Gate), Realms of Ruin
- hopefully only temporarily in the red: the 2025 management sim they haven't released yet
[1] Slightly unusual case: F1M 2023 had positive cashflow in its own right, but the F1M series as a whole is still at a big loss because of how much F1M 2022 cost to develop. Still, future spending in this area certainly looks more potentially like "recovering losses" than "throwing more money into the pit"
It's a bit more complicated than that. As of the end of March they reported £23.4 million in the bank - which is a healthy amount of reserves in itself, but discounting some one-off income from sale of the old Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 publishing rights, basically just stable over the last three months.
On the other hand, their operating loss for the 2022-2023 financial year was £26.6 million, so they clearly don't have enough in the bank to afford to have another one of those years.
So in that sense they haven't made a lot of money from their other projects (taken as a whole) recently, though apparently the console launch of Planet Zoo did go well.
Overall their financial position is certainly unstable enough that they couldn't afford to subsidise Elite Dangerous long-term if it didn't make positive cashflow in its own right, regardless of the specific performance of their other products.
(This is not a comment in either direction as to whether I think this approach is either morally acceptable or going to be financially effective)
FYI; AmigaCooke is a Frontier reply guy. I have no idea if they play the game any more but they have had grievance with Frontier since FDev canceled development for Mac because Apple chose a different graphics API that would have required Frontier to completely rewrite the code to support which, given the well known strength and market position the Mac has in gaming, was about as big a non-starter to do as it could be. And to be fair, that sucks and I have sympathy for those who wanted development to continue on the Mac, but rather than being upset at Apple's decision to make it financially unsustainable for Frontier to continue to support the Mac platform, it's all Frontier's fault and most comments contain an ounce of that grudge, and they usuallly comment on threads like these to dogpile.
That's the rub and, to be fair, it's never nice to be on the crappy end of decisions that are necessary business decisions.
I would suggest three months is the shortest amount of time to keep it from being generally released, but also long enough to justify the early purchase by those who want to do that.
The stream today is going to be interesting.This is still a fresh and super vague announcement, hopefully aired issues and feelings can be attended to in the upcoming stream and/or future Forum posts.
We are entitle to what we've paid for, but that's often where the discussion lies.
Frontier are not entitled to my unstinting support, they have to earn it.
With the changes to ARX, store etc. what are the chances of reinstating PayPal as a viiable payment method? Or are there still issues surrounding it?
How is that bad, exactly? Sounds like impatience to me, it's only an hour and it's only on occasion.
I'm a bit miffed about this.
IIRC they announced that by 2020 ED made them about 100+ millions in total revenues since launch to that date.
And certainly a good chunk of this income was used to expand their portfolio of games. Maybe it's time for those games that benefited from ED funding to payback?
( i know that's not how a business work, but that's besides the point
)Apparently Google Pay can be used... Never used it so have no idea how it works. Having PayPal back would be nice.
Like None since Paypal didnt want to comply with UK rules and pulled back