Well, we should open a support ticket so FD can fix this buggy behavior then =)
Thargoid Attacks: Where, When and What you can do about it
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I was looking at NHSS, assuming that they had maybe been removed around HIP 22460 after recent events, but actually it looks more like the Merope Shell (the volume around Merope where NHSS will spawn) has been reduced to around 66Ly. This is a large reduction in extent (normally the shell is around 155Ly up to 175Ly - it varies occasionally).
Of no practical use, just thought it may be of interest for Thargoid nerds
(And ofc may not be true, though I did sample quite a few systems
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Of no practical use, just thought it may be of interest for Thargoid nerds
(And ofc may not be true, though I did sample quite a few systems
)I sampled a few systems too the other day and it does indeed seem to have shrunk to around 50-ish lightyears. Does anyone know if the other Thargoid regions have changed in size?I was looking at NHSS, assuming that they had maybe been removed around HIP 22460 after recent events, but actually it looks more like the Merope Shell (the volume around Merope where NHSS will spawn) has been reduced to around 66Ly. This is a large reduction in extent (normally the shell is around 155Ly up to 175Ly - it varies occasionally).
Of no practical use, just thought it may be of interest for Thargoid nerds
(And ofc may not be true, though I did sample quite a few systems
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WH is about the same or slightly larger at around 80ly. Last report I have is 70Ly so it might have extended. I don't have a centre or size recorded for the Coalsack so am heading over there to get a baseline, but at the moment it looks like the Pleiades is the one affected.
Edit: Adding a list of the systems I checked and found NHSS outside the proposed 50 Ly range and the 66Ly I think is happening for reference
Pleiades Sector JM-W d1-20 (53.7ly)
Pleiades Sector GM-V c2-14 (58.8ly)
Pleiades Sector MX-U c2-9 (51.3ly)
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-46 (53.0ly)
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-12 (53.4ly)
Pleiades Sector LM-V b2-0 (59.5ly)
Pleiades Sector EB-W b2-0 (52.6ly)
Pleiades Sector TU-O b6-3 (61.2ly)
Pleiades Sector LX-U c2-5 (62.3ly)
Pleiades Sector NT-Q b5-3 (60.9ly)
Pleiades Sector MT-Q b5-2 (65.8ly)
Pleiades Sector ZU-X b1-0 (65.9ly)
Pleiades Sector GM-V c2-14 (58.8ly)
Pleiades Sector MX-U c2-9 (51.3ly)
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-46 (53.0ly)
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-12 (53.4ly)
Pleiades Sector LM-V b2-0 (59.5ly)
Pleiades Sector EB-W b2-0 (52.6ly)
Pleiades Sector TU-O b6-3 (61.2ly)
Pleiades Sector LX-U c2-5 (62.3ly)
Pleiades Sector NT-Q b5-3 (60.9ly)
Pleiades Sector MT-Q b5-2 (65.8ly)
Pleiades Sector ZU-X b1-0 (65.9ly)
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I wonder what the significance of this is?
Looks like Coalsack shell is centred on Musca Dark Region PJ-P b6-1 and around 59ly radius at the moment, will add to OP for future reference.
Is that the same as it was before?
I don't know that anyone has ever measured it before
I'd run a couple of approx spreadsheets putting it at ~60 from PJ-P b6-1 from early data but that was only like 40 datapoints back in *December 2020 - 17 for sheet one that i checked myself, 25 from the alerts server.
Far as the plugin/sheet, believe for center LCU mentioned it had averaged out as Musca Dark Region PJ-P b6-8 and around 60-70Ly as of November 2nd 2021, not sure what it's reading as now.
edit - Sorry - forgot i'd copied the sheet, had to dig further for the original
Reports of aggressive hyperdictions not only in HIP 22460 but also in systems around there:
Source: https://twitter.com/stringtheery/status/1562948302408077314
If it's anything like the NHSS distribution it may be a sphere centred on HIP 22460, though it will be difficult to track automagically
Source: https://twitter.com/stringtheery/status/1562948302408077314
If it's anything like the NHSS distribution it may be a sphere centred on HIP 22460, though it will be difficult to track automagically
Looks like there is a 'zone of anger' around HIP 22460 - maybe a 50 Ly sphere where hyperdictions will be aggressive and NHSS interceptors will also aggro.
Because the Merope shell is only around 66Ly (looks like it is just over) the number of systems where you can find aggressive NHSS is small (HIP 22460 is 99 Ly from Merope)
Not seen any further out than 50 Ly, but if they exist they will probably be in this set of systems
Because the Merope shell is only around 66Ly (looks like it is just over) the number of systems where you can find aggressive NHSS is small (HIP 22460 is 99 Ly from Merope)
Pleiades Sector CG-X c1-14
Pleiades Sector KS-S b4-3
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d50
Pleiades Sector FW-W d1-45
Pleiades Sector FW-W d1-72
Pleiades Sector GW-W d1-60
Pleiades Sector KS-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector DG-X c1-15
Pleiades Sector CG-W b2-4
Pleiades Sector DG-X c1-16
Pleiades Sector HM-U b3-0
Pleiades Sector CQ-Y d39
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-3
Pleiades Sector GW-W d1-83
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-1
Pleiades Sector GW-W d1-84
Pleiades Sector KS-S b4-0
Pleiades Sector HM-V c2-5
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-4
Pleiades Sector HX-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector CG-X c1-12
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-0
Pleiades Sector LS-S b4-0
Pleiades Sector GM-V c2-0
Pleiades Sector HM-U b3-1
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-2
Pleiades Sector KS-S b4-3
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d50
Pleiades Sector FW-W d1-45
Pleiades Sector FW-W d1-72
Pleiades Sector GW-W d1-60
Pleiades Sector KS-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector DG-X c1-15
Pleiades Sector CG-W b2-4
Pleiades Sector DG-X c1-16
Pleiades Sector HM-U b3-0
Pleiades Sector CQ-Y d39
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-3
Pleiades Sector GW-W d1-83
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-1
Pleiades Sector GW-W d1-84
Pleiades Sector KS-S b4-0
Pleiades Sector HM-V c2-5
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-4
Pleiades Sector HX-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector CG-X c1-12
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-0
Pleiades Sector LS-S b4-0
Pleiades Sector GM-V c2-0
Pleiades Sector HM-U b3-1
Pleiades Sector GM-U b3-2
Not seen any further out than 50 Ly, but if they exist they will probably be in this set of systems
72 Tauri
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-3
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector EB-X c1-3
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-3
HIP 19637
Pleiades Sector JH-V c2-7
Pleiades Sector JH-V c2-12
Pleiades Sector JH-V c2-13
HIP 19792
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-41
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-2
Pleiades Sector BG-W b2-0
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-8
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-49
Pleiades Sector HM-V c2-10
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d27
Pleiades Sector BG-W b2-3
Pleiades Sector NN-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-9
Pleiades Sector PY-Q b5-0
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-4
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-13
Pleiades Sector JH-U b3-2
Pleiades Sector LN-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-1
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-2
Pleiades Sector HM-V c2-13
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-0
Pleiades Sector FB-W b2-0
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d52
Pleiades Sector IS-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-1
Pleiades Sector IS-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector NN-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-3
Pleiades Sector DG-X c1-6
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d26
Pleiades Sector IS-S b4-3
Pleiades Sector BG-W b2-1
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-3
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector EB-X c1-3
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-3
HIP 19637
Pleiades Sector JH-V c2-7
Pleiades Sector JH-V c2-12
Pleiades Sector JH-V c2-13
HIP 19792
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-41
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-2
Pleiades Sector BG-W b2-0
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-8
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-49
Pleiades Sector HM-V c2-10
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d27
Pleiades Sector BG-W b2-3
Pleiades Sector NN-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-9
Pleiades Sector PY-Q b5-0
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-4
Pleiades Sector FB-X c1-13
Pleiades Sector JH-U b3-2
Pleiades Sector LN-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-1
Pleiades Sector FM-U b3-2
Pleiades Sector HM-V c2-13
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-0
Pleiades Sector FB-W b2-0
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d52
Pleiades Sector IS-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector OY-Q b5-1
Pleiades Sector IS-S b4-2
Pleiades Sector NN-S b4-1
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-3
Pleiades Sector DG-X c1-6
Pleiades Sector BQ-Y d26
Pleiades Sector IS-S b4-3
Pleiades Sector BG-W b2-1
Pleiades Sector JS-S b4-2
This thread may be of interest to you. It concerns one of the barnacles in merope now giving off smoke from the top instead of sparkles.
Something I missed or is this new?
I tried searching "Barnacle" and "changes" but couldn't find anything so I'm going to go ahead and ask. I haven't been to a barnacle location since Horizons so this might be normal. But I don't remember them making noise, having green goop around them, and giving off green "smoke" Is this a new...
I will have to check this out tonight once I get home from work.
And checked it out, dead barnacle as expected, but decided to record the audio and per Ricardo's Gaming, sped up the playback. The audio I've posted plays just a minute of the sound at normal speed then posts the entire 3 minutes at 3 x normal. There is a voice in there. Still not sure what it's saying - I'm new to Audacity so I may need some expert to dig into that sound:This thread may be of interest to you. It concerns one of the barnacles in merope now giving off smoke from the top instead of sparkles.
Something I missed or is this new?
I tried searching "Barnacle" and "changes" but couldn't find anything so I'm going to go ahead and ask. I haven't been to a barnacle location since Horizons so this might be normal. But I don't remember them making noise, having green goop around them, and giving off green "smoke" Is this a new...forums.frontier.co.uk
I will have to check this out tonight once I get home from work.
NHSS in Musca Dark Region IR-W d1-88 - 66Ly from centre. Last week that shell (Coalsack) was 50ly ...
Edit: And at 74ly out
Edit: And at 74ly out
Looks like what's actually happened in the Coalsack is that the centre of the NHSS shell has moved 20 ly from Musca Dark Region CQ-Y d86 to Musca Dark Region PJ-P b6-1, and the radius has changed from 50[1] to 60LY.
This is rare - first time I've seen an NHSS centre move significantly. Often the NHSS shells change radius (especially around the Pleiades), but I've only seen the centre refined to neighbouring systems[2] as we get more data. Never seen such a big jump in locations so I'm actually dubious that it is 'real' [3].
There doesn't seem to be any obvious reason for this - it would have been nice if they were heading to the bubble, but it doesn't look like that to me
(I checked the other shells and they seemed unchanged this week.)
[1] Actually there was one system just over 50 - but less than 50.1ly, so I spent time investigating the size last week as mostly the shell radii are multiples of 5LY
[2] e.g. the Pleiades shell right now is centred better on Maia (65Ly) than on Merope (67Ly), despite the significance of Merope 5c to the Thargoids
[3] I have visited 20+ systems at ~58 Ly from the new centre - all had NHSS. And I did the same at ~62LY. No NHSS. A similar thing was done last week with the old centre & limits. It's usually obvious when you have the wrong centre as you will only see NHSS in some of the systems.
edit: And Musca Dark Region PJ-P b6-1 was measured as the centre before now, so maybe last week's checks were wrong
Damn I need a better way of tracking this
This is rare - first time I've seen an NHSS centre move significantly. Often the NHSS shells change radius (especially around the Pleiades), but I've only seen the centre refined to neighbouring systems[2] as we get more data. Never seen such a big jump in locations so I'm actually dubious that it is 'real' [3].
There doesn't seem to be any obvious reason for this - it would have been nice if they were heading to the bubble, but it doesn't look like that to me
(I checked the other shells and they seemed unchanged this week.)
[1] Actually there was one system just over 50 - but less than 50.1ly, so I spent time investigating the size last week as mostly the shell radii are multiples of 5LY
[2] e.g. the Pleiades shell right now is centred better on Maia (65Ly) than on Merope (67Ly), despite the significance of Merope 5c to the Thargoids
[3] I have visited 20+ systems at ~58 Ly from the new centre - all had NHSS. And I did the same at ~62LY. No NHSS. A similar thing was done last week with the old centre & limits. It's usually obvious when you have the wrong centre as you will only see NHSS in some of the systems.
edit: And Musca Dark Region PJ-P b6-1 was measured as the centre before now, so maybe last week's checks were wrong
Damn I need a better way of tracking this
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Bit late to the news, busy chasing Stargoids
Three systems attacked (42 n Persei, Chun Pindit and Tekkeitjal), with associated CGs https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-turn-attention-inhabited-systems and https://www.elitedangerous.com/community/goals. Reports of the new style AX CZ (no Cap Ships).
No status report in Galnet so these won't be beatable (though the outcome of the CG may be significant). CG text indicates these are ongoing incidents - the CGs last 9 days but expect it to be longer. I guess there might be status reports in the stations in those systems (haven't checked), but it seems unlikely. Galnet post also indicates that these attacks will be different to previous ones, so I might have to rewrite the OP
(Other news: No changes to the NHSS bubble or Zone of Aggro this week. Stargoids have associated hyperdictions that can be aggressive (when you jump out from the current system) or passive (other direction)).
Three systems attacked (42 n Persei, Chun Pindit and Tekkeitjal), with associated CGs https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-turn-attention-inhabited-systems and https://www.elitedangerous.com/community/goals. Reports of the new style AX CZ (no Cap Ships).
No status report in Galnet so these won't be beatable (though the outcome of the CG may be significant). CG text indicates these are ongoing incidents - the CGs last 9 days but expect it to be longer. I guess there might be status reports in the stations in those systems (haven't checked), but it seems unlikely. Galnet post also indicates that these attacks will be different to previous ones, so I might have to rewrite the OP
(Other news: No changes to the NHSS bubble or Zone of Aggro this week. Stargoids have associated hyperdictions that can be aggressive (when you jump out from the current system) or passive (other direction)).
There's nothing at the station in 42 N Persei, complete obliviousness and business as usual for those folks (and for everyone in the ground settlements too) while us pilot's fed suckers fight to the death with the bugs a few light seconds away from them. Couldn't even find any graffiti.
Sounds like one of those online reviews.
"Couldn't even find any graffiti. 0/7 stars."
Shell sizes for the week, just to archive them. Data from eddn for this week only.
| centre | expected extent | measured extent | systems | |
| california | California Sector BA-A e6 | 60 | 56.1 | 29 |
| coalsack | Musca Dark Region PJ-P b6-1 | 60 | 58.8 | 62 |
| merope | Maia | 65 | 63.2 | 145 |
| witchhead | Witch Head Sector IR-W c1-8 | 75 | 72.9 | 45 |
Looks like the Feds are helping out with the CGs
