This is an escalation of the behavior (as of this weeks server maintenance), next week sounded even cooler on the live stream.
Thargoid Data Gathering Effort: We need your help!
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This is an escalation of the behavior (as of this weeks server maintenance), next week sounded even cooler on the live stream.
After rechecking, you may be right and I may have gotten the wrong impression that pod = attack.
Definitly just carrying an escape pod in cargo never was a provocation for Thargoids up to now. But snatching one away from them when they already have aquired beam-lock was, I think. But hard to say becouse by maneuvering around it's easy to breach the 500m radius of alarm to the present Tharg.
Something I had for the 1st time the other day, when I dropped into an NHSS it almost dropped me onto the Thargoid ship! I was well within 500m & it was instantly annoyed! I backed off quickly & it was ok after that.
On a different note I've just handed in nearly 13 mill of exploration data to my 2nd home, (which was Fed, but has been taken over by the Candy crew!
, bar 1 station where I dumped the data ).
Anyway, despite staying within 160 LYs of Merope I found a few planets untagged! And I left 2 untagged in 1 of the systems, so if you want ya name on it head over to Mel 22 sector AV-P C5-3.
On a different note I've just handed in nearly 13 mill of exploration data to my 2nd home, (which was Fed, but has been taken over by the Candy crew!
, bar 1 station where I dumped the data ).Anyway, despite staying within 160 LYs of Merope I found a few planets untagged! And I left 2 untagged in 1 of the systems, so if you want ya name on it head over to Mel 22 sector AV-P C5-3
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I have a beta version of the plugin available.
If you want o try it out I would be very greatful
https://github.com/NoFoolLikeOne/EDMC-USS-Survey/releases/tag/3.0b
You won't notice much different apart from the patrol zone functionality which now has an exit survey instead of automatically eliminating the system from the patrol. Still a bit of work to make this work better.
This version also tells you about Hyperdictions.
I think that the Patrol zone stuff needs a lot more design before it will be really useful so any feedback is gratefully received.
If you want o try it out I would be very greatful
https://github.com/NoFoolLikeOne/EDMC-USS-Survey/releases/tag/3.0b
You won't notice much different apart from the patrol zone functionality which now has an exit survey instead of automatically eliminating the system from the patrol. Still a bit of work to make this work better.
This version also tells you about Hyperdictions.
I think that the Patrol zone stuff needs a lot more design before it will be really useful so any feedback is gratefully received.
With all the current data could we find an orgin point? Or final destination. I assume a wave or circular pattern.
We could test if they are moving outward in a circular pattern by declaring maia N and human space as South. We then investigating North-east and North-west of maia.
To see if we are being hyperdicted.
If it's not cicular it has to be a wave or Possibly given the flowery shape a golden ratio or lateralus.
I mean why not set up a beach head if you were an invading force. From that point you would sweep outward. They do after all fly round ships.
Thoughts?
We could test if they are moving outward in a circular pattern by declaring maia N and human space as South. We then investigating North-east and North-west of maia.
To see if we are being hyperdicted.
If it's not cicular it has to be a wave or Possibly given the flowery shape a golden ratio or lateralus.
I mean why not set up a beach head if you were an invading force. From that point you would sweep outward. They do after all fly round ships.
Thoughts?
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Which data are you referring to?
If it's NHSSs, then so far it seems it's a 150 LY bubble within Merope, see this map, although we haven't covered all sides yet.
If it's hyperdictions you mean then they do extend beyond the 150 LY bubble towards the main bubble, see map above, although we need more data to see in detail.
If it's NHSSs, then so far it seems it's a 150 LY bubble within Merope, see this map, although we haven't covered all sides yet.
If it's hyperdictions you mean then they do extend beyond the 150 LY bubble towards the main bubble, see map above, although we need more data to see in detail.
There does seem to be a bit of a bias on Hyperdictions but that might be down to where we have visited. The problem is that we arent recording visits where nothing happened.
Maybe I could track all traffic within 300ly of merope so we can show on a map what areas we have covered
It would be easier to organized a coordinated search effort. Divide the Merope bubble in sectors and spend some time searching all together.
first contactleiades sector VK-N B7-4:
leiades sector VK-N B7-4:
i checked the map,but i'm still in the dark.
All of my calculations are based on distance from the cg system as the epicentre,so for me the boundary layer is about 70ly radius,and every system visited thereonwards contained multiple instances.the oracle system itself contained multiple sightings,it seems pretty much a shared space to me. no interdictions .
dotnt know if its on the listI(f so,its confirmation)
first contactleiades sector VK-N B7-4:
leiades sector VK-N B7-4:first contact
leiades sector VK-N B7-4:i checked the map,but i'm still in the dark.
All of my calculations are based on distance from the cg system as the epicentre,so for me the boundary layer is about 70ly radius,and every system visited thereonwards contained multiple instances.the oracle system itself contained multiple sightings,it seems pretty much a shared space to me. no interdictions .
dotnt know if its on the listI(f so,its confirmation)
first contact
leiades sector VK-N B7-4:
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An Origin point of what? Thargoids in general?
The issue we have is that we can only "see" them when they interact with us. Currently that's happening at human ships wrecks and interdictions and Barnacle sites.
That means all the data we have is bias (because humans are very active around the Pleiades, so that's where we're encountering them), so it's impossible to really tell anything about the Thargoids real distribution. They might be everywhere in the Galaxy, just not interacting with us!
However - to my knowledge, no Thargoid ship has been seen at a Barnacle site in Witch Head or California. No Thargoid hyperdiction has been reported very far outside the 150ly Merope bubble. No Thargoid ground sites have been discovered outside the 150ly Merope bubble, and no ships have been wrecked (the static wreck sites of megaships and the like) by Thargoids outside the 150ly bubble.
So, it seems from all the current data (as Assimilator1 says) that the Thargoid activity is all centred on Merope in an eerie bubble of super-dense and evenly distributed activity that spans a 150ly radius, and Hyperdictions occur slightly outside that, like a buffer zone.
It doesn't mean they aren't elsewhere - I mean there are barnalces in California and Witch Head and we know that the UP signals triangulated with a system in Col70 as well as Merope.
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The Thargoids didn't leave. Not all of them, at least if we had more time we might've been able to run a more detailed analysis but the data we have right now already paints a pretty grim picture as the Thargoids are sowing the seeds for their return. -pulled from a log. Beach head. Where are they hiding.
Sorry are you saying you think the Pleiades is the beachhead or asking if we know where the Beachhead is?
If the former, yep, totally. Fits with FFE lore about the Pleiades being the Forward Staging Area for the Thargoids. If the Latter, it seems like it's the Pleiades area - or they're doing an amazing feint and they've been setting up somewhere else and while we're all focused on the Pleiades they'll slip in from the other side of the bubble
.The seeds of the return I think literally refers to the barnacles. I think the barnacles (or some of them) are hatcheries for the new mycoid-resistant Thargoids, the current "thargoid interceptor" ships are basically drones tending the area and the hatcheries. Just my personal theory though, could be wrong.
Sorry are you saying you think the Pleiades is the beachhead or asking if we know where the Beachhead is?
If the former, yep, totally. Fits with FFE lore about the Pleiades being the Forward Staging Area for the Thargoids. If the Latter, it seems like it's the Pleiades area - or they're doing an amazing feint and they've been setting up somewhere else and while we're all focused on the Pleiades they'll slip in from the other side of the bubble
The seeds of the return I think literally refers to the barnacles. I think the barnacles (or some of them) are hatcheries for the new mycoid-resistant Thargoids, the current "thargoid interceptor" ships are basically drones tending the area and the hatcheries. Just my personal theory though, could be wrong.
No. I'm asking if we can find the beach head. Or thargoid base of operation or mega ship Assuming it's not moving.. By assuming they are moving outward in a wave or circular sweeping pattern. By mapping It's perimeter based on hyperdictions. We can find the beach head
I don't know if other people have different ideas, but I think the beachhead is the Pleiades. It's certainly not the Thargoids "home systems".
I do expect them to have some sort of giant mothership(s) at some point, maybe that's what they are doing with all the meta alloys
Once we establish a perimeter. We can make a net. And systamtically find the thargoids with a joint effort. Or at least increase our chance of doing so. I assume they are moving outward in a wave. But how wide is that wave or sweep.
Well we don't really know how/where the Thargoids are moving from/to, because as Moribus mentioned, they only show themselves when they're investigating (or maybe attacking) us. e.g. we don't see them in supercruise within systems.
For all we know they're jumping in & out from the Col 70 sector into the Maia bubble (& a little outside for hyperdictions, furthest 210 LYs so far).
1st contact for you I assume?
What are you in the dark about?
The CG system is not the epicentre of the Thargoid NHSSs (or Thargoid Structures), if that's what you were referring to, if not I've no idea what you're referring to. And what 70 LY boundary??
You're post is pretty vague!
Oh & I've found NHSSs in that system on 2/10/17, it's in the manually logged spreadsheet
JFYI, auto-logged USSs spreadsheet
For all we know they're jumping in & out from the Col 70 sector into the Maia bubble (& a little outside for hyperdictions, furthest 210 LYs so far).
1st contact for you I assume?
What are you in the dark about?
The CG system is not the epicentre of the Thargoid NHSSs (or Thargoid Structures), if that's what you were referring to, if not I've no idea what you're referring to
. And what 70 LY boundary??You're post is pretty vague!
Oh & I've found NHSSs in that system on 2/10/17
, it's in the manually logged spreadsheet JFYI, auto-logged USSs spreadsheet
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Well we don't really know how/where the Thargoids are moving from/to, because as Moribus mentioned, they only show themselves when they're investigating (or maybe attacking) us. e.g. we don't see them in supercruise within systems.
For all we know they're jumping in & out from the Col 70 sector into the Maia bubble (& a little outside for hyperdictions, furthest 210 LYs so far).
1st contact for you I assume?
What are you in the dark about?
The CG system is not the epicentre of the Thargoid NHSSs (or Thargoid Structures), if that's what you were referring to, if not I've no idea what you're referring to
You're post is pretty vague!
Oh & I've found NHSSs in that system on 2/10/17
JFYI, auto-logged USSs spreadsheet
What we know about the Thargoids from Drew Wagar's premonition is that there are two factions of Thargoids. The Oresians and the Klaxians. They are fighting a war. The Oresians are losing and retreating through the core worlds using our worlds as cover to escape the Klaxians.
What does that mean from the perspective of our investigation?
Perhaps the Thargoids we are seeing now are the Klaxians? The Oresians attack our assets hoping to stir up hostility against the Klaxians who are following. The Klaxians see that our ships have been attacked and investigate.
We know they are withdrawing towards the core worlds so we should expect to see NHSS and attacks move closer to the core over time.
They appear to use Barnacles for refueling.
There are two barnacle regions in California and Witch Head that we have not had sightings reported. Perhaps these have been abandoned by the Klaxians?
Hehe. I've had massive discussions about this before. In short, I wouldn't count anything in those novels as being "fact".
We even got a comment from Drew himself and he said (paraphrasing because I can't find the quote now, it's in the main Aliens, tinfoil and theories thread) that basically while the books are generally lore, characters in the books may not be telling the truth, or may be mistaken. Until we see something in ED I personally consider the books to be much like FFE lore - it's interesting, but it's not "truth" until we get in-game sources, and we're definitely better off making deductions from things we can observe and not wrapping in info from questionable sources.
What we (actually) know (timeline may be slightly off, but these are the main points):
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- The Thargoids were infected with a man-made bio-weapon around 3150.
- They retreated from human space, and "laid the seeds for their return".
- There was no sightings or interaction with Thargoids at all (if you ignore the books) until 3300's when (in roughly this order):
- Federation ships were intercepted carrying Unknown Artefacts through the bubble that pointed out Merope 5C.
- Barnacles were discovered on Merope 5C and Meta-alloys, and it was discovered that taking UA's to a station disabled it, and that Meta-alloys repaired it.
- Probes were discovered that scanned planets (found around Ammonia worlds). These indicted Merope and Col70.
- Probes and Artefacts are only found within 150ly of Merope, giving it the name "the UA shell".
- Barnacles are found in Witch head and California Nebulas.
- Ground bases were discovered and activated showing a swirly pattern that may or may not be a map.
- Links from the ground sites can be used to show the locations of more ground bases. over 220 are discovered - all within 150ly of Merope.
- Hyperdictions occasionally occurred showing us the flower ships for the first time.
- Capital ship attacks attributed to Thargoids occurred in the Pleiades area.
- Flower ships appeared en mass, but only within 150ly of Merope.
- Barnacles are changing, new barnacle sites are discovered, a Forest of barnacles and a smaller formation.
- They retreated from human space, and "laid the seeds for their return".
- There was no sightings or interaction with Thargoids at all (if you ignore the books) until 3300's when (in roughly this order):
- Federation ships were intercepted carrying Unknown Artefacts through the bubble that pointed out Merope 5C.
- Barnacles were discovered on Merope 5C and Meta-alloys, and it was discovered that taking UA's to a station disabled it, and that Meta-alloys repaired it.
- Probes were discovered that scanned planets (found around Ammonia worlds). These indicted Merope and Col70.
- Probes and Artefacts are only found within 150ly of Merope, giving it the name "the UA shell".
- Barnacles are found in Witch head and California Nebulas.
- Ground bases were discovered and activated showing a swirly pattern that may or may not be a map.
- Links from the ground sites can be used to show the locations of more ground bases. over 220 are discovered - all within 150ly of Merope.
- Hyperdictions occasionally occurred showing us the flower ships for the first time.
- Capital ship attacks attributed to Thargoids occurred in the Pleiades area.
- Flower ships appeared en mass, but only within 150ly of Merope.
- Barnacles are changing, new barnacle sites are discovered, a Forest of barnacles and a smaller formation.
- They were hurt by the Mycoid.
- Laid eggs (or whatever) and retreated to wherever they came from (or died off, or a bit of both).
- Now, those eggs (barnacles) are mature and getting ready to hatch new Mycoid-resistant Thargoids
- The drone flower ships have been cleaning up the area, tending the hives and collecting materials and things for (presumably) a new fleet of Thargoid ships getting ready for The Return!
(This interpretation is probably wrong, but does fit what we currently know)
- Laid eggs (or whatever) and retreated to wherever they came from (or died off, or a bit of both).
- Now, those eggs (barnacles) are mature and getting ready to hatch new Mycoid-resistant Thargoids
- The drone flower ships have been cleaning up the area, tending the hives and collecting materials and things for (presumably) a new fleet of Thargoid ships getting ready for The Return!
(This interpretation is probably wrong, but does fit what we currently know)
Right now, I expect the next thing to happen will be that the Barnacles will mature - that might mean they mature into ships, or bases, but I think that means they'll hatch. Then the Thargoids will Return, and we'll see the real ships (not the drones), and they'll be hard to fight and they'll be powerful. After that, whether they attack human space or not, I guess we'll find out. They might just wipe out everything in the Pleiades and set up their bases again and be happy with that for a while - I suspect that's the reason for establishing a perimeter of 150ly, they are marking out territory (or rather, reclaiming old borders).
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