the FSS, watching paint dry....

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askavir

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Sterling MH said:
Nope, you would both have the FSS, because the ADS died. You dont have to use the FSS. Ships fly fine without it. Heck, don't add a keybind for entering FSS mode, job done.
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Are we all speaking the same language here?

If the FSS was part of a paid update, which is what we were all talking about, by not purchasing that paid update, we would not have the FSS, just like the people who didn't purchased Horizons don't have the SRV, planetary landings and passenger ships.
 

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DrewCarnegie said:
Why would I play the game if it isn't enjoyable any more?
The ADS, whilst not intrinsically enjoyable, was the key that unlocked enjoyable gameplay. It's like suggesting that I play football without a ball - yes, I can still run around on the pitch, but it's a lot less fun.
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I would say what you describe as enjoyable gameplay emerged from the intended gameplay, which is not to say that you are wrong for enjoying it.
 

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If the ADS was "just a placeholder" then why have all the planets got sounds? I mean those sounds dont serve any purpose now do they? But before there was a fully fleshed out and engaging skill based mini game where the player had to recongnise planets by sound. Now there is just this artifact left over.

They do sound nice and im not saying take them out.
 

Sterling MH

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simfan1983 said:
Sorry, I don't understand your point. The beta was put into production without any significant changes
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No, it was subject to feedback during the beta, as usual. That you had a complaint that didn't get accepted IS ALSO USUAL. Your feedback was received, analyzed and found wanting. So it didnt get in. happens all the time. It's usual.
And, again, "as usual" is dismissed: those who want to complain will retcon reality no matter what, confirmation bias will edit out any contrary real life historical events because it doesn't fit what's being felt.
 

Sterling MH

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Burke said:
If the ADS was "just a placeholder" then why have all the planets got sounds? I mean those sounds dont serve any purpose now do they? But before there was a fully fleshed out and engag
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Because the sound crew had spare capacity and not being programmers their efforts did not take away from the progression of other features that did require programmers, not sound designers.

Plus the sound never was removed when it was imaged. Nor does it appear to be removed now the FSS is there. So if the FSS were not replacing the ADS, why does it still have the sounds? Because that is a red herring for the ADS as well as the FSS.
 

askavir

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picommander said:
The whole discussion reminds me more and more of a fictive discussion of some children about Easter Egg hunts, where one faction (A) only seems to enjoy the game when all hidden places are initially known to them and, if that would be the case, nothing would be taken away from faction (B). Children of faction (B) would think faction (A) are all idiots. [wacko]
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Except in this particular case there is no faction B. Only 2 flavours of faction A.

There is faction A1 that believes that the places are hidden and they're playing some kind of game to find them, even thought they're quite visibly pre-marked so the children can simply point at them.

And then there's faction A2 that thinks that having to point at clearly pre-marked places to "discover" them is a futile and pointless exercise, and the children just want to go and play in those places, instead of pretending to find them.

Faction A1 and faction A2 both think the children in other faction are all idiots.
 
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Ebel

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picommander said:
The whole discussion reminds me more and more of a fictive discussion of some children about Easter Egg hunts, where one faction (A) only seems to enjoy the game when all hidden places are initially known to them and, if that would be the case, nothing would be taken away from faction (B). Children of faction (B) would think faction (A) are all idiots. [wacko]
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So everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot?
 

Swift

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CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
This gives a nice overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXXe7422OYE (official FDev "pilots training" video).

As others already mentioned:

You need a bit of keybindings.
Then you need to be in super cruise with throttle at 0%.
Press the button to activate the FSS.
Press the button to make the initial honk - energy pulse to establish the orbital plane and find all the things in the system. Those found things will be shown as "blue blobs".
Now you adjust the frequency spectral thingy at the bottom to the desired setting and look around for blue blobs. If the frequency set below matches the object, then the blue blob will have a white solid circle - otherwise it's a white dotted circle. It might require a bit of aiming, but not that much.
Now press the zoom button. If the blue blob is an USS or a planet/moon you will have now scanned it and got all information the FSS will give you.
If it is a planet-moon system, then you will get presented more blue blobs on their orbit around the main blue blob. Adjust the frequency accordingly and zoom in on every blue blob.

The FSS will show you where frequencies are - so just select on and then move around and zoom in on white solid circle blue blobs until that frequency is marked as resolved (no wave pattern anymore). Go on to the next frequency wave pattern.
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Thank you. This explains it very well, even I can understand how to scan now.
 

Swift

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I'm always right and I know it, but I don't think everyone else is a idiot. They just haven't caught up yet that's all. Merry Christmas everyone, and I hope your next few day's are filled with joy. :)
 

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Picommander i have to point out that it was you who posted the unplesant picture that sabotaged the last thread we had about this. It really does feel like there are few people around who only really want to take the ADS gameplay away from others and they are going to extreme lengths to do that. Its got an edge of meaness to it.
 

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DrewCarnegie said:
Why would I play the game if it isn't enjoyable any more?
The ADS, whilst not intrinsically enjoyable, was the key that unlocked enjoyable gameplay. It's like suggesting that I play football without a ball - yes, I can still run around on the pitch, but it's a lot less fun.
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It worse than that really.

It's like taking the ball away and making players look for the ball before they can continue with the game.
You want to play football, but someone has changed the rules so you have to find the ball first.
Hence you end up that people who were quite happy playing football are now unhappy.
What's more there is not even the option of playing the old version of football.
I can imagine that the hunt the ball first version would not make good television. "It's half time and neither side has found the ball yet"

Let us have the ball at the start then we can have fun trying to score goals.

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Sterling MH

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Yes, there are people who having not got their way will refuse to let it lie and insist on complaining, even if they have to make up a problem or leap to ad hom in place of argument. But worst of all are those who do not name so as to hide behind implausible deniability.

Maybe it would be better if an argument were not left vague so as to be unassailable due to no substance to attack.
 
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Burke

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Sterling MH said:
Yes, there are people who having not got their way will refuse to let it lie and insist on complaining, even if they have to make up a problem or leap to ad hom in place of argument. But worst of all are those who do not name so as to hide behind implausible deniability.
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That may be true or not, but it doesnt explain why the anti crowd keep posting. They should be playing the game, are they not engaged? Let the forum dads have their moan thread if it keeps them happy.
 
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