i've heard/read that CH Products make parts for actual jets, and use the same materials for their gaming hardware. Apparently their stuff lasts forever. so if you have the money you should probably go for it.. Unless saitek offers a lifetime warranty
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Aye the CH Products are really good. I've got their Combatstick, pedals and throttle. I can't fault them.
It's by design, and I wouldn't expect them to change it. For one thing, they want to sell you their pedals too.
Companies like CH and Thrustmaster have been in this market a long time on the more "serious" (read expensive) side of air combat and civilian flight simulation. Both companies also sell higher end gear to commercial and military customers. And while I'm sure they're seeing some nice sales now from ED and Star Citizen, their bread and butter has always been from air combat and civilian flight sim users, where twist on a joystick just isn't anywhere near as effective as pedals for rudder control. Twist on the joystick is also very difficult to use for a combat or civilian helicopter sim.
Pedals just open up a whole world of added control for things like strafing with an A-10 attack run, helicopter tail rotor control, or doing fun things like a cross-control slip when landing against a side wind in a flight simulator.
So that's why you don't see it on the CH sticks, or the high-end Warthog HOTAS and you probably never will. The design is intended to work along with pedals for the yaw function.
just map your rudder to something else..
thats what most people are doing.
thats what most people are doing.
Best joystick throttle combo????? Your left hand and right hand, and then your choice of stick, keyboard, mouse etc....
I changed from a trusty (and very old) MS Sidewinder 2 to a new X52 Pro. I am delighted with both. I didn't like the early reviews of the X55 so plumped for the tried and tested 52.
My play style has adapted because the Sidewinder 2's lack of features meant that I had to fly 50:50 with stick and keyboard. But it was still wonderful. The X52 shifts that ratio to about 90:10 and I do find I have more flight control and a more relaxed posture as almost everything I need is under each hand.
Loved the Sidewinder 2 but love the X52 even more.
I changed from a trusty (and very old) MS Sidewinder 2 to a new X52 Pro. I am delighted with both. I didn't like the early reviews of the X55 so plumped for the tried and tested 52.
My play style has adapted because the Sidewinder 2's lack of features meant that I had to fly 50:50 with stick and keyboard. But it was still wonderful. The X52 shifts that ratio to about 90:10 and I do find I have more flight control and a more relaxed posture as almost everything I need is under each hand.
Loved the Sidewinder 2 but love the X52 even more.
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Agreed, that's what I have along with Saitek Pro Pedals.Go either CH gear or splash a little more for a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS...you won't regret it
I had an old Siatek X45, which had well documented issues with the stick re-centering (fixes abound but it was never great). Just bought an X52 and I couldn't be happier, stick and throttle feel great.
I could have spent more and the top level options do offer some cool features, but for ED I don't have to touch the keyboard with the X52 mapped, awesome.
Only thing I miss from the X45 was the rudder rocker on the throttle, it's a z-axis twist on the stick now, but you can deal with that and it has an option to lock the Z if you really hate it and buy separate pedals.
Whatever HOTAS you buy you wont regret it, so great to be keyboard free! Dock and dogfight like a Boss!
I could have spent more and the top level options do offer some cool features, but for ED I don't have to touch the keyboard with the X52 mapped, awesome.
Only thing I miss from the X45 was the rudder rocker on the throttle, it's a z-axis twist on the stick now, but you can deal with that and it has an option to lock the Z if you really hate it and buy separate pedals.
Whatever HOTAS you buy you wont regret it, so great to be keyboard free! Dock and dogfight like a Boss!
Twist or pedal?
I currently have the Thrustmaster T16000M, which I find to be a great stick at the price point and I really like the twist rudder. It could, however, do with some more hats and buttons, since the base-mounted ones are pretty useless.
I have just received a CH pro thottle which has got me thinking about a CH Fighter stick to match but, of course, this lacks the twist-rudder control.
What are peoples thoughts on pedals for ED? I've never used them so opinions would be welcome. Do they tend to auto-centre or is some shuffling required every time one needs to stop the yaw?
I currently have the Thrustmaster T16000M, which I find to be a great stick at the price point and I really like the twist rudder. It could, however, do with some more hats and buttons, since the base-mounted ones are pretty useless.
I have just received a CH pro thottle which has got me thinking about a CH Fighter stick to match but, of course, this lacks the twist-rudder control.
What are peoples thoughts on pedals for ED? I've never used them so opinions would be welcome. Do they tend to auto-centre or is some shuffling required every time one needs to stop the yaw?
Hi guys.
I became an addict to Elite since I got the SB so I thought might as well get a joystick. My options are:
Saitek cyborg (I see that it has a mini throttle)
X52 (non pro version)
x52 pro
The X52 pro will be my last resort and will have to wait a couple of months of saving to get it. The cyborg is very affordable to me right now and I see good offers on ebay on used x52 non pro.
Will you guys recommend the non pro version of the x52? what are the real diferences with the pro besides looks?
Anyone using or used the cyborg before? Is it comfortable to have the throttle so close?
Money is my limitation here so no recommendations above the x52 pro price
I was also looking into the thrustmaster Hotas X but the prices went up to almost $200 and for that I think I rather get the X52 pro
I became an addict to Elite since I got the SB so I thought might as well get a joystick. My options are:
Saitek cyborg (I see that it has a mini throttle)
X52 (non pro version)
x52 pro
The X52 pro will be my last resort and will have to wait a couple of months of saving to get it. The cyborg is very affordable to me right now and I see good offers on ebay on used x52 non pro.
Will you guys recommend the non pro version of the x52? what are the real diferences with the pro besides looks?
Anyone using or used the cyborg before? Is it comfortable to have the throttle so close?
Money is my limitation here so no recommendations above the x52 pro price
I was also looking into the thrustmaster Hotas X but the prices went up to almost $200 and for that I think I rather get the X52 pro
My g940 pedals are not being detected and I can't map it to yaw
I haven't read through the whole thread so I'm not sure if these have been discussed but what about VKB? They make some pretty impressive stuff. You can start out with their basic stick (Cobra M5) which only costs $50 US! Incidentally, the designer of that stick also designed a throttle under the Gametrix brand. The links below will give you a look at them. You can buy the set for under $100 but they are hard to find (especially if you don't speak russian).
http://eng.defender-global.com/produ.../cobra-m5-usb/
http://www.3ona51.com/blog/2013/03/g...system-review/
http://www.es-gaming.ru/shop/CID_246.html
They also have a high-end product line. Their pedals are the best on the market right now and their high-end stick (Black Mamba {formerly King Cobra}) is the coolest I've seen. Links below.
http://flightsimcontrols.com/store/joysticks/vkb-light-black-mamba-joystick-for-non-eu/
http://flightsimcontrols.com/store/available/t-rudder-pedals-usb-eu/
http://eng.defender-global.com/produ.../cobra-m5-usb/
http://www.3ona51.com/blog/2013/03/g...system-review/
http://www.es-gaming.ru/shop/CID_246.html
They also have a high-end product line. Their pedals are the best on the market right now and their high-end stick (Black Mamba {formerly King Cobra}) is the coolest I've seen. Links below.
http://flightsimcontrols.com/store/joysticks/vkb-light-black-mamba-joystick-for-non-eu/
http://flightsimcontrols.com/store/available/t-rudder-pedals-usb-eu/
I use the Hotas X and have the throttle mapped with left/right thrust mapped to the rocker on the front, and up/down thrust mapped to the two buttons on the front next to the rocker. This way I can use forefinger on the vertical buttons up and down, middle finger for right, pinky for left, while thumb can still hit the buttons on the other side as needed. Sounds tricky when described but the rocker is nice and big and really reacts well since it's analog axis. This means of course that vertical thrust is digital input only, but I find that tapping patterns can be effective in giving the same level of performance. I also don't use much in the way of partial input on the lateral thrusters, except maybe when docking.
I think there are probably some who use the 4-pos hat on the right stick to do thrusters, but I find that without death-gripping the yoke I have a hard time keeping that accurate. I like a light touch on the right hand yoke so my thumb needs to be able to move around during maneuvers.
Hope this helps!
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I have both, Fly 5 and Hotas X.
Fly 5 is compact, he has detachable stick, and playing on it is pleasure, but it has weak buttons on head (i broke button nr2, it could be repaired with metal screw, maybe it is incidental). Throttle works softly, i like it. Stability of joy is 7/10, when you play both hands it will be OK. Fly 5 is very nice in touch. In overall it is a good joy.
Hotas X need more space on desk, it is more stable and havier than fly 5. Plasticks are more durable but worse in touch than fly 5. Playing is good, left hand on detachable throttle, keyboard in the middle and stick on right.
Playing on hotas x will give you a good substitute to 'proffesional' hotas systems.
Both are good but different. Both are comfortable. There is no option to decide which one is better. They have the same amount of buttons and on both you can map everyt button to play without keyboard.
Fly 5 is compact, he has detachable stick, and playing on it is pleasure, but it has weak buttons on head (i broke button nr2, it could be repaired with metal screw, maybe it is incidental). Throttle works softly, i like it. Stability of joy is 7/10, when you play both hands it will be OK. Fly 5 is very nice in touch. In overall it is a good joy.
Hotas X need more space on desk, it is more stable and havier than fly 5. Plasticks are more durable but worse in touch than fly 5. Playing is good, left hand on detachable throttle, keyboard in the middle and stick on right.
Playing on hotas x will give you a good substitute to 'proffesional' hotas systems.
Both are good but different. Both are comfortable. There is no option to decide which one is better. They have the same amount of buttons and on both you can map everyt button to play without keyboard.
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Is it possible (or planned) to export control schemes? I'm using a X-65F, a customized profile and the Saitek software for additional buttons and axes which are not recognized by the game. [kizza42]
Since it was quite a time investment I'd like to keep these settings when reinstalling the game.
Since it was quite a time investment I'd like to keep these settings when reinstalling the game.
Just keep a copy of the binding file and replace it.
The binding file is
Code:
\Products\FORC-FDEV-D-1001\Win32\Controls\Controls.ovlIs it possible to export those settings as xml to automatically create a custom .binds file like those found in
Code:
\Products\FORC-FDEV-D-1001\ControlSchemes