A thought (...and not a thought out well one, but a thought!)...
If Raxxla is something to do with the Guardians (but the thought still might work if not)....
If the Dark Wheel found it....
If the toast is some sort of set of directions....
Could the toast be referring to nebulae?
"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!
To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!
The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts.
To Raxxla!
— Alleged toast of the Dark Wheel"
When in space, Nebulae would be more visible and perhaps similar to early sailors on earth using stars for navigation; but more relevant than constellations/stars for referencing directions when off the earth?
Anyone else had any thoughts on this previously or feel free to shoot it down so I can move on?
"Alien life in the galaxy is very plentiful. However, sentient life is very rare. So the various races and types of indigenous that was reported in the original elite are considered a dominant species of their planets, but they aren’t sentient species. As far as humans are concerned they’ve only encountered a small number of sentient species. There was a sentient race on Achenar which the people who later became the Imperials wiped out. There’s the alien artifact that was discovered in the solar system. That’s a mystery although we hope to reveal a little bit more about where that came from in the future. And, of course there’s the Thargoids"
MB lists three "known sentient species" here:
1. Extinct Archenar Aliens (Mudlarks)
2. Alien artefact found on Mars
3. Thargoids
This was vid made before Guardians were discovered. Since we know that (1) is a known extinct, and (3) is currently menacing the bubble, then it's possible that (2) is Guardian, the only other sentient alien race yet discovered.
Having said that, if Brookes was writing this now in 3309 then he may have #4 listed as Guardian.
But! I think this does go a long way to showing that Brookes was thinking that the Martian artefact isn't Thargoid. So that does lean towards it's either Guardian or some (as yet) other unknown alien.
MB lists three "known sentient species" here:
1. Extinct Archenar Aliens (Mudlarks)
2. Alien artefact found on Mars
3. Thargoids
This was vid made before Guardians were discovered. Since we know that (1) is a known extinct, and (3) is currently menacing the bubble, then it's possible that (2) is Guardian, the only other sentient alien race yet discovered.
Having said that, if Brookes was writing this now in 3309 then he may have #4 listed as Guardian.
But! I think this does go a long way to showing that Brookes was thinking that the Martian artefact isn't Thargoid. So that does lean towards it's either Guardian or some (as yet) other unknown alien.
"He keeps reciting the same little speech: “Xeno-achaeology has moved on. The days of exploring the outer reaches, only occasionally finding something of value, are behind us. I have found the key.”
But I’m not an archaeologist. Professor Melville is just a means to an end. I signed up for the money."
An abandoned megaship named The Cete is in orbit of the planet Col 173 Sector LJ-F c12-0 A 3. A series of six Ship Log Uplink points can be located along the hull. Deploy your ships hardpoints and use the onboard Data Link Scanner within 200m of each post to scan them and retrieve the logs of...
"He keeps reciting the same little speech: “Xeno-achaeology has moved on. The days of exploring the outer reaches, only occasionally finding something of value, are behind us. I have found the key.”
But I’m not an archaeologist. Professor Melville is just a means to an end. I signed up for the money."
An abandoned megaship named The Cete is in orbit of the planet Col 173 Sector LJ-F c12-0 A 3. A series of six Ship Log Uplink points can be located along the hull. Deploy your ships hardpoints and use the onboard Data Link Scanner within 200m of each post to scan them and retrieve the logs of...
Good question, AFAIK it was giving us the hint that led to the newer sites? The galnet article that accompanied it said:
Melville thinks the Synuefe XR-H D11-102 system represents some kind of end point or ‘last colony’. Beyond that, the sites appear in clusters, with the number of sites in each cluster getting increasingly larger. We discovered a cluster of sites only a few days ago before finding a location with an entirely unique layout. So far we’ve found three sites in each of the following systems: Synuefe LY-I b42-2, Synuefe NL-N c23-4 and Synuefe TP-F b44-0.
The placement of the Cete is very interesting IMO, it seems to suggest that either it jumped through the Regor sector, or around it, but I'm not sure why:
I've made this graphic of the Guardian data from Canonn's 3D maps. As with all things, nuances are lost when making a diagram of data, so reference the original, but the diagram is a quick & dirty visual guide.
It's extremely clear to see (on the orignal data) that the big pointy spike heading towards Sol-ways is by far the most dense, the smaller spikes are very sparse by comparison. The Regor sector is clearly an 'origin' point of the Guardian Expansion. Along the largest spike there's clearly a layering addition of the Structures and later the Beacons, assuming that it physically represents a chronological progression - as Ram Tah and Melville suggest.
According to this data, the Guardians’ homeworld served as a powerbase for this new religious order, which eventually succeeded in ostracizing or exiling all of its opponents. I can find no other reference to these exiles in the historical record. This development should have resulted in peace, but a further division arose over the fate of the AIs. At that time, the AIs were virtual entities, and so were reliant on the monolith network to exist. Because this made them vulnerable, they searched for a way to achieve independence from the network. Their research aroused the fear of the abolitionists, who used violent methods to prevent the AIs from achieving independence, and even to combat those Guardians who accepted the AIs.
The Guardians had a deep veneration of nature, and many of them saw the development of advanced technologies, such as artificial intelligence, as a perversion of the natural order. A schism emerged between the nature-worshipping traditionalists and the technologically minded progressives – a divide that widened with alarming speed. Efforts where made to defuse the rising tension, but the traditionalists felt alienated by the rapid rate of change. Artificial intelligence and the development of the monolith network became scapegoats for all manner of social ills, and the traditionalists began to clamour for a return to simpler times. Ultimately the ideological divergence proved insurmountable, a second civil war erupted, quickly engulfing most of the Guardians’ star systems.
In its early stages, the war was fought primarily by soldiers, but within a decade – and after significant loss of life – most of the fighting was conducted remotely. The progressives fought with automated combat machines. These engines of war took various forms, from autonomous drones to vast, lumbering dreadnoughts imbued with limited artificial intelligence. On the other side, the traditionalists relied mostly on biological weapons. They used germ warfare alongside long-range missiles loaded with corrosive enzymes, which could target the enemy’s war machines from a great distance.
The war was ostensibly fought between the people of the homeworld and the colonies, but in truth there were divisions even among individual city-states... The war raged for many years and eventually destroyed the Guardians’ habitats, forcing them to retreat into ‘sacred’ domes protected by powerful shields. Eventually even the domes were destroyed, or their shields failed, and ultimately the population died out. Their predilection for expending resources on honouring the dead – a key tenet of their religion – only served to accelerate their extinction.
The main issue was the internecine nature of the conflict, which raged for over one hundred years and brought the Guardians’ civilisation to its knees, retarding any further social development. But the challenges facing the traditionalists were exacerbated by the fact that they devoted most of their resources to honouring the dead. From what I can gather, they regarded the departed in much the same way as the primitive cultures of Sol, constructing vast shrines to honour the deceased. As their situation worsened, they became increasingly obsessed with these practices. With so much of their resources dedicated to these rites, it is little wonder that their enemies’ war machines were able to overwhelm them.
... The war raged for over a hundred years, and Guardian populations fell dramatically during this time. Fertility rates dropped due to increased radiation levels and because the Guardians considered it blasphemous to use technology to address a biological issue. Eventually, one of the competing forces triumphed, but by that point, all the Guardians other than those who had been exiled a century earlier were dying.
The big 'expansion path' really does point almost exactly at Sol, it's even more clear on the 3D maps where you can rotate it around and very clearly see it's like an arrow (of course it might not be directly "at" Sol, but it's certainly running very, very close).
Given proximity, compatibility between Guardian and Human tech and biological needs, and how similar in all major ways Guardians and Humans are, and given this arrangement of ruins, I think this really strongly suggests that Humanity may have been at leastinfluenced by the Guardians.
It's certainly entirely possible that the Martian artefact could be Guardian, given the proximity and 'directional' travel.
If we assume that the Martian Relic is Guardian, then it means that very, very early on in Humanities space-expansion we knew of technological sophisticated ancient aliens, and the timeline (as we've discussed previously) for the discovery of the Martian Relic does come a few years earlier than the first recorded mention of Raxxla. We've discussed the idea that the Relic itself may have given hints towards Raxxla, enough to start people searching...
Possible links to Raxxla Coverup (speculation):
On the Hesperus expedition of 3113 the scientists aboard the Proteus discovered the ancient Thargoid-Guardian battleground, but they were deliberately heading that way, out towards Barnard's Loop. They were apparently following readings from FTL probes:
Dr Farrell insisted on investigating readings sent back by one of Azimuth’s deep-space probes. She believed that Pharmasapien would focus on all the probes they’d sent to the California Nebula, but that we might find something interesting in the opposite direction.
Azimuth was powerful and wealthy, yet they sent two ships considerably far out of the bubble in an era where going that far was very difficult - chasing ghosts on the offchance they might find some alien tech "Azimuth wants to be the first corporation selling alien weaponry, which will make them bigger than Sirius.".
FTL Probes capable of reporting on the Thargoid-Guardian battle were being used in the early 3100s. We know from the Lore that FTL probes were used right from the very, very start of human expansion, Tau Ceti was colonised because FTL probes showed a human-compatible world there - presumably some probes at some point must have picked up the relatively close Guardian ruins, which are very nearly on our doorstep. Going all the way to the Regor Sector, presumably the most dense collection of Guardian worlds is only about 1000ly from Sol.
Yet, apparently not, Guardian ruins weren't officially found until just a few years back.
Given proximity to us, and the fact we categorically know that probe-based detection at very long ranges was possible, and that explorers have always been pushing out the boundaries of exploration, I wonder if this is direct evidence for:
Raxxla also plays a role in several conspiracy theories, most of which attest that it has already been discovered by some kind of sinister cabal (or sole tyrant), which has leveraged its power to establish covert dominance over humanity.
It would presumably take a very powerful group retaining that power over a thousand years to successfully conceal/remove/discredit every discovery of the Guardian ruins by every one of the scattered Corporations and random explorers that push out beyond the Frontier. As the Frontier expanded over time, and spaceship tech got cheaper, easier and more prevalent, it must have required an incredible levels of power and control to keep the Guardians secret.
I remember that at the time of Halsey's recovery there was speculation in the community that her "visions" were actually made up by her to 'leak' the Guardian secret, or her damaged mind confused secret reports of the extinct aliens with reality - and of course, she was Federal President so presumably would have had access to the Martian Relic info, and generally all the secrets of the Federation.
Why keep Guardians secret though?
Maybe it was necessary to keep the Guardian ruins secret to preserve the secret of this "power" to "dominate humanity"? Maybe that secret is in the Regor sector and until Permit Locks it simply wasn't possible to keep people out of there, now, of course, the only people that can get in there are those not using FSD or possessing the permits?
I would say it's obviously to retain technological advantage, but it seems like that wasn't leveraged, since we've used Guardian tech to improve our tech in the last few years...?
Good question, AFAIK it was giving us the hint that led to the newer sites? The galnet article that accompanied it said:
The placement of the Cete is very interesting IMO, it seems to suggest that either it jumped through the Regor sector, or around it, but I'm not sure why:
View attachment 374055
I've made this graphic of the Guardian data from Canonn's 3D maps. As with all things, nuances are lost when making a diagram of data, so reference the original, but the diagram is a quick & dirty visual guide.
It's extremely clear to see (on the orignal data) that the big pointy spike heading towards Sol-ways is by far the most dense, the smaller spikes are very sparse by comparison. The Regor sector is clearly an 'origin' point of the Guardian Expansion. Along the largest spike there's clearly a layering addition of the Structures and later the Beacons, assuming that it physically represents a chronological progression - as Ram Tah and Melville suggest.
The big 'expansion path' really does point almost exactly at Sol, it's even more clear on the 3D maps where you can rotate it around and very clearly see it's like an arrow (of course it might not be directly "at" Sol, but it's certainly running very, very close).
Given proximity, compatibility between Guardian and Human tech and biological needs, and how similar in all major ways Guardians and Humans are, and given this arrangement of ruins, I think this really strongly suggests that Humanity may have been at leastinfluenced by the Guardians.
It's certainly entirely possible that the Martian artefact could be Guardian, given the proximity and 'directional' travel.
If we assume that the Martian Relic is Guardian, then it means that very, very early on in Humanities space-expansion we knew of technological sophisticated ancient aliens, and the timeline (as we've discussed previously) for the discovery of the Martian Relic does come a few years earlier than the first recorded mention of Raxxla. We've discussed the idea that the Relic itself may have given hints towards Raxxla, enough to start people searching...
Possible links to Raxxla Coverup (speculation):
On the Hesperus expedition of 3113 the scientists aboard the Proteus discovered the ancient Thargoid-Guardian battleground, but they were deliberately heading that way, out towards Barnard's Loop. They were apparently following readings from FTL probes:
Azimuth was powerful and wealthy, yet they sent two ships considerably far out of the bubble in an era where going that far was very difficult - chasing ghosts on the offchance they might find some alien tech "Azimuth wants to be the first corporation selling alien weaponry, which will make them bigger than Sirius.".
FTL Probes capable of reporting on the Thargoid-Guardian battle were being used in the early 3100s. We know from the Lore that FTL probes were used right from the very, very start of human expansion, Tau Ceti was colonised because FTL probes showed a human-compatible world there - presumably some probes at some point must have picked up the relatively close Guardian ruins, which are very nearly on our doorstep. Going all the way to the Regor Sector, presumably the most dense collection of Guardian worlds is only about 1000ly from Sol.
Yet, apparently not, Guardian ruins weren't officially found until just a few years back.
Given proximity to us, and the fact we categorically know that probe-based detection at very long ranges was possible, and that explorers have always been pushing out the boundaries of exploration, I wonder if this is direct evidence for:
It would presumably take a very powerful group retaining that power over a thousand years to successfully conceal/remove/discredit every discovery of the Guardian ruins by every one of the scattered Corporations and random explorers that push out beyond the Frontier. As the Frontier expanded over time, and spaceship tech got cheaper, easier and more prevalent, it must have required an incredible levels of power and control to keep the Guardians secret.
I remember that at the time of Halsey's recovery there was speculation in the community that her "visions" were actually made up by her to 'leak' the Guardian secret, or her damaged mind confused secret reports of the extinct aliens with reality - and of course, she was Federal President so presumably would have had access to the Martian Relic info, and generally all the secrets of the Federation.
Why keep Guardians secret though?
Maybe it was necessary to keep the Guardian ruins secret to preserve the secret of this "power" to "dominate humanity"? Maybe that secret is in the Regor sector and until Permit Locks it simply wasn't possible to keep people out of there, now, of course, the only people that can get in there are those not using FSD or possessing the permits?
I would say it's obviously to retain technological advantage, but it seems like that wasn't leveraged, since we've used Guardian tech to improve our tech in the last few years...?
Good question, AFAIK it was giving us the hint that led to the newer sites? The galnet article that accompanied it said:
The placement of the Cete is very interesting IMO, it seems to suggest that either it jumped through the Regor sector, or around it, but I'm not sure why:
View attachment 374055
I've made this graphic of the Guardian data from Canonn's 3D maps. As with all things, nuances are lost when making a diagram of data, so reference the original, but the diagram is a quick & dirty visual guide.
It's extremely clear to see (on the orignal data) that the big pointy spike heading towards Sol-ways is by far the most dense, the smaller spikes are very sparse by comparison. The Regor sector is clearly an 'origin' point of the Guardian Expansion. Along the largest spike there's clearly a layering addition of the Structures and later the Beacons, assuming that it physically represents a chronological progression - as Ram Tah and Melville suggest.
According to this data, the Guardians’ homeworld served as a powerbase for this new religious order, which eventually succeeded in ostracizing or exiling all of its opponents. I can find no other reference to these exiles in the historical record. This development should have resulted in peace, but a further division arose over the fate of the AIs. At that time, the AIs were virtual entities, and so were reliant on the monolith network to exist. Because this made them vulnerable, they searched for a way to achieve independence from the network. Their research aroused the fear of the abolitionists, who used violent methods to prevent the AIs from achieving independence, and even to combat those Guardians who accepted the AIs.
The Guardians had a deep veneration of nature, and many of them saw the development of advanced technologies, such as artificial intelligence, as a perversion of the natural order. A schism emerged between the nature-worshipping traditionalists and the technologically minded progressives – a divide that widened with alarming speed. Efforts where made to defuse the rising tension, but the traditionalists felt alienated by the rapid rate of change. Artificial intelligence and the development of the monolith network became scapegoats for all manner of social ills, and the traditionalists began to clamour for a return to simpler times. Ultimately the ideological divergence proved insurmountable, a second civil war erupted, quickly engulfing most of the Guardians’ star systems.
In its early stages, the war was fought primarily by soldiers, but within a decade – and after significant loss of life – most of the fighting was conducted remotely. The progressives fought with automated combat machines. These engines of war took various forms, from autonomous drones to vast, lumbering dreadnoughts imbued with limited artificial intelligence. On the other side, the traditionalists relied mostly on biological weapons. They used germ warfare alongside long-range missiles loaded with corrosive enzymes, which could target the enemy’s war machines from a great distance.
The war was ostensibly fought between the people of the homeworld and the colonies, but in truth there were divisions even among individual city-states... The war raged for many years and eventually destroyed the Guardians’ habitats, forcing them to retreat into ‘sacred’ domes protected by powerful shields. Eventually even the domes were destroyed, or their shields failed, and ultimately the population died out. Their predilection for expending resources on honouring the dead – a key tenet of their religion – only served to accelerate their extinction.
The main issue was the internecine nature of the conflict, which raged for over one hundred years and brought the Guardians’ civilisation to its knees, retarding any further social development. But the challenges facing the traditionalists were exacerbated by the fact that they devoted most of their resources to honouring the dead. From what I can gather, they regarded the departed in much the same way as the primitive cultures of Sol, constructing vast shrines to honour the deceased. As their situation worsened, they became increasingly obsessed with these practices. With so much of their resources dedicated to these rites, it is little wonder that their enemies’ war machines were able to overwhelm them.
... The war raged for over a hundred years, and Guardian populations fell dramatically during this time. Fertility rates dropped due to increased radiation levels and because the Guardians considered it blasphemous to use technology to address a biological issue. Eventually, one of the competing forces triumphed, but by that point, all the Guardians other than those who had been exiled a century earlier were dying.
The big 'expansion path' really does point almost exactly at Sol, it's even more clear on the 3D maps where you can rotate it around and very clearly see it's like an arrow (of course it might not be directly "at" Sol, but it's certainly running very, very close).
Given proximity, compatibility between Guardian and Human tech and biological needs, and how similar in all major ways Guardians and Humans are, and given this arrangement of ruins, I think this really strongly suggests that Humanity may have been at leastinfluenced by the Guardians.
It's certainly entirely possible that the Martian artefact could be Guardian, given the proximity and 'directional' travel.
If we assume that the Martian Relic is Guardian, then it means that very, very early on in Humanities space-expansion we knew of technological sophisticated ancient aliens, and the timeline (as we've discussed previously) for the discovery of the Martian Relic does come a few years earlier than the first recorded mention of Raxxla. We've discussed the idea that the Relic itself may have given hints towards Raxxla, enough to start people searching...
Possible links to Raxxla Coverup (speculation):
On the Hesperus expedition of 3113 the scientists aboard the Proteus discovered the ancient Thargoid-Guardian battleground, but they were deliberately heading that way, out towards Barnard's Loop. They were apparently following readings from FTL probes:
Azimuth was powerful and wealthy, yet they sent two ships considerably far out of the bubble in an era where going that far was very difficult - chasing ghosts on the offchance they might find some alien tech "Azimuth wants to be the first corporation selling alien weaponry, which will make them bigger than Sirius.".
FTL Probes capable of reporting on the Thargoid-Guardian battle were being used in the early 3100s. We know from the Lore that FTL probes were used right from the very, very start of human expansion, Tau Ceti was colonised because FTL probes showed a human-compatible world there - presumably some probes at some point must have picked up the relatively close Guardian ruins, which are very nearly on our doorstep. Going all the way to the Regor Sector, presumably the most dense collection of Guardian worlds is only about 1000ly from Sol.
Yet, apparently not, Guardian ruins weren't officially found until just a few years back.
Given proximity to us, and the fact we categorically know that probe-based detection at very long ranges was possible, and that explorers have always been pushing out the boundaries of exploration, I wonder if this is direct evidence for:
It would presumably take a very powerful group retaining that power over a thousand years to successfully conceal/remove/discredit every discovery of the Guardian ruins by every one of the scattered Corporations and random explorers that push out beyond the Frontier. As the Frontier expanded over time, and spaceship tech got cheaper, easier and more prevalent, it must have required an incredible levels of power and control to keep the Guardians secret.
I remember that at the time of Halsey's recovery there was speculation in the community that her "visions" were actually made up by her to 'leak' the Guardian secret, or her damaged mind confused secret reports of the extinct aliens with reality - and of course, she was Federal President so presumably would have had access to the Martian Relic info, and generally all the secrets of the Federation.
Why keep Guardians secret though?
Maybe it was necessary to keep the Guardian ruins secret to preserve the secret of this "power" to "dominate humanity"? Maybe that secret is in the Regor sector and until Permit Locks it simply wasn't possible to keep people out of there, now, of course, the only people that can get in there are those not using FSD or possessing the permits?
I would say it's obviously to retain technological advantage, but it seems like that wasn't leveraged, since we've used Guardian tech to improve our tech in the last few years...?
"He keeps reciting the same little speech: “Xeno-achaeology has moved on. The days of exploring the outer reaches, only occasionally finding something of value, are behind us. I have found the key.”
But I’m not an archaeologist. Professor Melville is just a means to an end. I signed up for the money."
An abandoned megaship named The Cete is in orbit of the planet Col 173 Sector LJ-F c12-0 A 3. A series of six Ship Log Uplink points can be located along the hull. Deploy your ships hardpoints and use the onboard Data Link Scanner within 200m of each post to scan them and retrieve the logs of...
Forgot to mention Cete is an interesting choice of name and associated with the Andromeda myths... "Mother of Galaxies" hypotheses mentioned previously a few times... just a thought
The Thargoids are an intelligent, highly advanced insectoid species that have existed for millions of years. They are the only known extant spacefaring species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humanity.[1] Thargoids are highly territorial and seemingly rebuff all diplomatic overtures with...
The Thargoids are an intelligent, highly advanced insectoid species that have existed for millions of years. They are the only known extant spacefaring species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humanity.[1] Thargoids are highly territorial and seemingly rebuff all diplomatic overtures with...
There's the Electricae lifeforms that have some unknown connection to the nebulas. They were introduced with Odyssey. These lifeforms are kilometers long and turn ice worlds into giant superconductors and/or enable power transfer across large scales. Is this part of what powers Raxxla? They are only found on ice worlds near the nebulas (and may be unique to Inner Orion Spur).
Organisms found exclusively on extremely cold ice worlds in the vicinity of frozen lakes. The visible tips can be observed protruding from the ice, often near fissures where it is thinnest. The bulk of the organisms extend down through the ice into subsurface melt, potentially for several...
Guardians and Thargoids I believe were supposed to be proficient at bio-engineering lifeforms for specific purposes. Humans are purported to be close to Guardian level as far as biology and genetics. Why I mention this? A lot of the lifeforms we see in-game occur in noble gas atmospheres. In theory, that should render life impossible because noble gases are extremely unreactive. It may be time to start considering that a sizable portion of organisms in-game are connected to the deeper Raxxla myth.
I wonder if "look at nebulae" is the reason for the Brookes tour ending on PMD2009 48.
We have Artemis representing Elite: Legacy, Beta Sculptoris for the black hole, Synuefe whatshisface on Guardian space, Taygeta as one of the Thargoids' beloved Pleiades... but the Orion nebula (with the beacon that explicitly talks about Raxxla, no less!) lacked an explanation.
According to what we know, the Guardians were an already established spacefaring race with advanced FTL tech by the time the Thargoids started the war. It's suggested (though not explicitly stated) that the Guardians did discover Barnacles (much as we did), but it's unclear if they used them, and it's explicitly clear they already had FTL before expanding past their home system.
What's weird about this, now @Emperor pointed out nebula and it made me think about it... (and I think your point about Nebulae being related to the Toast is possible too )
We know that Thargoids seed Barnacles almost entirely in nebula systems (Witch Head, Pleiades, California, etc). AFAIK none/few have been found outside nebulas (correct me if I'm wrong).
The lore clearly states:
This data details the start of the conflict between the Guardians and the Thargoids. Several thousand years after they seeded planets in Guardian space with barnacles. the Thargoids returned. Of course, they discovered that the planets they had seeded were now occupied by the Guardians! The Thargoids immediately launched an assault. making no effort to communicate with the Guardians, which tallies with the Thargoids’ behaviour in human space.
But - There 'ain't no major Nebulae in (or near) Guardian space (assuming Guardian space here is referring to the Regor sector and immediately surrounding areas)?
There are Guardian ruins in some of the far-flung nebulae (for some reason), but could this imply that "Guardian Space" isn't where we think it is? The nebulae around Barnard's Loop are the obvious candidates since we know there's at least one Tharg-Guardian battleground there - and there's tons of Tharogid activity generally in that part of the Galaxy.
If so, it's odd that the 'current' Guardian ruins are so coherently isolated around the Regor sector - unless they had many expansion regions around colony sites, like we have an expansion region around Colonia.... Given time Colonia will grow to to further resemble the bubble...
Could this imply that, maybe, the Regor sector isn't the homeworld-sector at all? Maybe that's only their version of Colonia, explaining why it's so small (as per my earlier speculations about why the Guardian bubble is so small given how much time they had). If their actual origin point was (for example) inside the Col 70 permit locked area, then there might be a LOT more Guardian sites than we ever thought.
Ram Tah: "Hidden Ruins How extraordinary! This log suggests there are many more Guardian sites out there, waiting to be uncovered. And I mean hundreds…perhaps even thousands. Unfortunately, some of the data in this record has degraded. If there was a map inside this log, it has been lost. Who knows what remarkable knowledge might be hidden in these alien ruins? the more of the Guardians’ extraordinary technology we uncover, the greater the potential impact on our own technology."
Maybe that's actually what Melville meant, and why the Cete was positioned on the opposite side of the Regor sector, like they'd gone past/through it and were heading elsewhere?
The Cete: [Melville] keeps reciting the same little speech: “Xeno-achaeology has moved on. The days of exploring the outer reaches, only occasionally finding something of value, are behind us. I have found the key.” Melville scoffed when he heard the news [about Ram Tah's discoveries]. “Scraps from an amateur,” he said. “We’ll find the reaI secrets. Trust me.”
"Melville thinks there could be hundreds of sites out there. His hypothesis is that the Guardians occupied an area of space similar in size to that currently inhabited by humans, but that for some reason they were forced to migrate. He believes he can find that region of space and the Guardians’ point of origin.
The Guardians could well have had a huge civilisation, with hundreds of sites – maybe thousands – in this part of space."
He also thinks the Guardians were the dominant species in this region of space. But he’s not content with this discovery. He wants to keep going.
The above quotes from the Cete seem to ignore that they're in the vicinity of the Regor Sector and are in the most-densely packed part of Guardian Space - what else could Melville have been looking for? Why would he want to 'keep going'? Where to? The Cete expedition took place in 3303, which was when the first ruins were being discovered, the implication is that Melville found the Guardian Sites before anyone else, by following some mysterious lead:
He claims to have information that will help us find more sites, but he’s keeping it close to his chest.
If Raxxla and Guardians are related, and if this idea is even semi-accurate, could Melville have been following a similar thread to the hunt for Raxxla? Where did he get this mysterious info from? It seems to suggest he knew at least roughly what the look for?
The Thargoids are an intelligent, highly advanced insectoid species that have existed for millions of years. They are the only known extant spacefaring species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humanity.[1] Thargoids are highly territorial and seemingly rebuff all diplomatic overtures with...
Seem to remember when barnacles were first found that MB posted something along the lines of them preferring nebulae, but too long ago to remember specifics. You could try searching through the old Cannon threads; Han_Zen had the URLs.
Seem to remember when barnacles were first found that MB posted something along the lines of them preferring nebulae, but too long ago to remember specifics. You could try searching through the old Cannon threads; Han_Zen had the URLs.
That’s true as my memory serves. I do recall Brookes stating there was a reason why they chose certain locations over others for their specific needs, at that point I presumed that obviously pointed towards nebulous areas.
The Thargoids are an intelligent, highly advanced insectoid species that have existed for millions of years. They are the only known extant spacefaring species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humanity.[1] Thargoids are highly territorial and seemingly rebuff all diplomatic overtures with...
Thargoids are clearly fond of nebulae, when it comes to seeding barnacles. They probably contain particles or radiation that are favourable to them.
Guardians seem to center their sectors around Wolf-Rayet stars. These might be just navigational markers or they could emit some kind of energy that results good in brain tree conditions. We unfortunately don't have any information on the relationship between Guardians and brain trees.
Thargoids are clearly fond of nebulae, when it comes to seeding barnacles. They probably contain particles or radiation that are favourable to them.
Guardians seem to center their sectors around Wolf-Rayet stars. These might be just navigational markers or they could emit some kind of energy that results good in brain tree conditions. We unfortunately don't have any information on the relationship between Guardians and brain trees.
These organic structures are so called because of the vaguely brain-like growths on the ends of their branches. — In-Game Descrption Brain Trees are a species of Fungal Life that have been found on the surfaces of airless planets and moons across the galaxy. They resemble Earth-like trees with a...
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"To date, Brain Trees have been found only on planets and moons that featured some form of volcanism, and most commonly in ejecta craters near Guardian Ruins on those worlds. They occur as large, clustered fields containing dozens of trees."
These organic structures are so called because of the vaguely brain-like growths on the ends of their branches. — In-Game Descrption Brain Trees are a species of Fungal Life that have been found on the surfaces of airless planets and moons across the galaxy. They resemble Earth-like trees with a...
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"To date, Brain Trees have been found only on planets and moons that featured some form of volcanism, and most commonly in ejecta craters near Guardian Ruins on those worlds. They occur as large, clustered fields containing dozens of trees."
I dont have a link, but it seems like the brain tree sector have a WR star at the center. Regor, HEN 2-333 and NGC 3199 are all WR. Eta Carinae is a suspected WR in RL.
WR stars are very bright and tend to light up any dust around them. All the above are in nebulae, except for Regor.
I dont have a link, but it seems like the brain tree sector have a WR star at the center. Regor, HEN 2-333 and NGC 3199 are all WR. Eta Carinae is a suspected WR in RL.
WR stars are very bright and tend to light up any dust around them. All the above are in nebulae, except for Regor.
I spent a few months out in Eta, its a wonderful place, visited the Guardian sites and the Alpha sites over in Hawking's.
Plan to head back after Yule, i feel there's more to that place as its in the middle of a lot of stuff.
I dont have a link, but it seems like the brain tree sector have a WR star at the center. Regor, HEN 2-333 and NGC 3199 are all WR. Eta Carinae is a suspected WR in RL.
WR stars are very bright and tend to light up any dust around them. All the above are in nebulae, except for Regor.
If you are looking at wolf-rayets you are seeing where Guardians used to live but not how the system was at the time. Wolf-rayets are too hot to support life. Guardians had blood like ours. They need liquid water. The key is a peculiar stellar life-cycle unique amongst M-K stars that are 0.5 - 8 solar masses known as asymptotic giant branch stars. Wolf-Rayets are perhaps the rarest end product of this cycle (other options are white dwarfs or neutron stars). Seek life not death.
