The Star Citizen Thread v5

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It doesn't really matter one iota what the backers of games think, say, or do when it comes to what the developers of games actually do with their product.

CIG can make a big song and dance out of concept X, or game mechanic dream theory Y, but until it's actually sat on your machine and working as intended it means pretty much nothing.
 
Yes. Which is why several State attorneys have gone after crowd-funded companies for those exact reasons. Which is also why when contacted by the CA State officials over refunds, suddenly SC refunds were a thing. Like magic. Nobody wants the State or Fed officials all up in their business.


Only the moneys given during Kickstarter or other such are not income until delivered. The other moneys earned for selling items are income.
 
Um, unless the thing is made and delivered it isn't sold, it's just preordered.


Pre orders are still income.

Other video games DLC, future items? Think all the DLC for say "Farm Simulator" purchased in advance before release. Or upcoming Mechs for MechWarrior: Online...
 
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Yes I do. Still odd (to me) that it happens.


Still not sure what you are getting at.

I'm a fairly regular poster here, and I also play Star Citizen.

Couldn't post here till just a few days ago.

Seems rather simple and straight forward. I couldn't, now I can, so I do.
 
Pre orders are still income.

Other video games DLC, future items? Think all the DLC for say "Farm Simulator" purchased in advance before release. Or upcoming Mechs for MechWarrior: Online...

No they aren't, they're liabilities until the preordered item is delivered. Edit: To correct myself, pre-orders are deferred revenue.
 
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Still not sure what you are getting at.

I'm a fairly regular poster here, and I also play Star Citizen.

Couldn't post here till just a few days ago.

Seems rather simple and straight forward. I couldn't, now I can, so I do.

I'm just saying. They disappear in pairs as well. [haha]
 
Pre orders are still income.

Other video games DLC, future items? Think all the DLC for say "Farm Simulator" purchased in advance before release. Or upcoming Mechs for MechWarrior: Online...

No, they're revenue. There will be an expense associated with the pre-order. Income is the revenue minus that expense.

By making up new ships and selling them, they are trading revenue for engineering debt. This is NOT income.
 

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And after reading Derek Smart claim that Chris Roberts said that 3.0 was coming in 2016, it doesn't say that at all, he clearly said that's the goal, but he isn't making any promises.

That 3.0 occurrence in August (i.e. CR´s suggesting 3.0 may come before end of 2016) last year encapsulates one of the (many) critiques that imho are fair to field against CIG, namely the one that CR unmet/broken lofty promises or "estimates" have been a standard re occurrence since day 1 (5-6 years ago). And as such it can be considered as not being "accidental" but part of a consistent and fully conscious approach to predatory marketing and funding.

Now with the help of hindsight, and almost 10 months since CR issued that 3.0 release estimate, and still waiting, one can not but imagine that CR HAD to be aware 3.0 was completely impossible before end of 2016 (nervermind SQ42).

If this kind of broken "estimates" had happened only once or twice, and CIG had publicly apologized, I would be inclined to agree with you that it should not be a big deal.

But by now, given 150 millions, with a seriously alarming number of instances where this has repeatedly happened and where CIG´s bottom line has profited directly, I don´t think there is much room for trying to apologize for it with a straight face to be honest.

We are talking consistent re-incidence, multiple times.

It is actually quite simple, either CIG does not give a biowaste, explicitly condones this course of action and has decided to allow it so to maximize pledges on imminency hype, or their work processes and lessons learned systems are so incompetent and broken that they can not detect and control this kind of issues after many, several, multiple and publicly detected occurrences (not even counting here those occurrences that have not been detected). 150 million.

Neither of those scenarios suggests a serious management team on top of their business to whom I should pledge any more money.
 
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Make up your mind. Its one way or the other.

I just thought it was funny that the same standards you claim for yourself dont count for others :D

But seeing as sarcasm isnt your strong side lets just leave this behind us :) I wouldnt want my reply to be counted as "violent" toward pro-SC people ^^

There are plenty of people on YouTube playing Star Citizen, exploring, and enjoying it.

Thats individuals claiming to have fun while showing a mediocre or horridly bugged tech-demo. None of these videos out there at the moment confirm any solid performance rates or show gameplay elements other then running and shooting. I can certainly see lots of adult men getting very very excited about nothing and I believe immediatly that these people do have fun. Again its just not "fun" as the rest of the world would understand.

In the end at least there are videos out there showcasing us stuff. Just none that would show the fun that I would expect from the descriptions given. In fact, the current youtube and twitch videos are the very BASE of the fun and mockery that exist about Star Citizen. And while verbal defense is quick to rise there is hardly any video release that would support that defense in any given way.


I m sorry....are you actually WindWpn because you answered a request aimed at HIM. The links you provide have zero relevance to the described scenario given by him. Just thought I point that out.
 
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