Yep. Off topic as it gets, actually.
General / Off-Topic We may need to rethink Colonia
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Yep. Off topic as it gets, actually.
This says it all! +1 REP and case closed o7
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The OP is asking to not be labeled as a snowflake SJW, but by doing so, she is asking to not be labeled what she is. This is in direct contradiction to Aristotle's "Law of Identity" which states, "For all x: x = x" Sorry OP, but I'm not going to ignore what you are. You're a classic snowflake SJW, no doubt about it.
Indeed. There's been a massive (in-game) investment in hydroponics rather than creating surface settlements on the ELWs. Hopefully that will continue - terraforming and hydroponics - rather than taking the easy route if the local population needs the space later. Definitely no shortage of terraformable but uninhabited worlds at the moment.
That would be tricky, since Colonia has never been a colony of any power in the bubble in the first place. There's nothing for it to declare independence from. (It's one of the reasons it's a silly name for it, but lots of real-world places have had pretty silly names stick just because that's what they were labelled as on a popular map - America, for example)
There's "Proud Rest" mentioned as a name for the system in one of Jaques' early messages. I quite like that one.
Quite a lot of Galnet references - more or less subtly - real-world politics. I do find it quite amusing that - while the rule against discussions of real-world politics is absolutely correct - it makes it very hard to chat about Galnet politics because you can't mention the obvious analogues.
Guys, I really don't get it.
I don't understand why do you get so bent out of shape by this thread?
I don't agree with premise of this thread and I think it's just creating a problem where there probably is none, but why get so aggrivated?
State your point of view and if there are are no arguments to change your mind, move on.
By repeating that even considering something someone has proposed is stupid only shows arrogance and ignorance.
Not to mention, that by being so dissmissive and blatantly rude, you do nothing to lay this issue to rest, if that's what you think should happen.
OP seems open minded, just considers some new idea and wants to discuss it. If she would have your attitude, she would've stated that "Colonia needs to be renamed because word colonialism has seriously bad conotations and whoever disagrees is an arsehole"
I don't understand why do you get so bent out of shape by this thread?
I don't agree with premise of this thread and I think it's just creating a problem where there probably is none, but why get so aggrivated?
State your point of view and if there are are no arguments to change your mind, move on.
By repeating that even considering something someone has proposed is stupid only shows arrogance and ignorance.
Not to mention, that by being so dissmissive and blatantly rude, you do nothing to lay this issue to rest, if that's what you think should happen.
OP seems open minded, just considers some new idea and wants to discuss it. If she would have your attitude, she would've stated that "Colonia needs to be renamed because word colonialism has seriously bad conotations and whoever disagrees is an arsehole"
What country are you from if I might ask? I'm only curious.
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Moving to Off Topic as there appears to be no tolerance in the exploration forum for this topic.
Thank you. Genuinely.
Well, this is another "lightning-rod" thread. It's a shame to see it happen in the exploration forum.
I have an automatic ignore policy on anyone who uses the term "SJW" in anything except the most carefully qualified circumstances, so I've had to put a lot of people on ignore from the last few pages. As usual, please do likewise if you're the kind of person who likes to throw around terms like "SJW" and "snowflake." It's quite shocked me to see those words in the mouths of people here.
(As it happens, I completely disagree with the OP, but I get where they're coming from and I'm willing to make the tiny fraction of effort needed to parse it more deeply.)
I have an automatic ignore policy on anyone who uses the term "SJW" in anything except the most carefully qualified circumstances, so I've had to put a lot of people on ignore from the last few pages. As usual, please do likewise if you're the kind of person who likes to throw around terms like "SJW" and "snowflake." It's quite shocked me to see those words in the mouths of people here.
(As it happens, I completely disagree with the OP, but I get where they're coming from and I'm willing to make the tiny fraction of effort needed to parse it more deeply.)
I disagree with her perspective and opinion on the topic strongly, utterly and vehemently but would not dream of labelling her as a Snowflake or a Social Justice Warrior. That as we know is un PC language and is not allowed in polite forum etiquette.
Now back to slave runs and piracy. I've got dirty credits to make in my midnight black skull covered Corvette.
Now back to slave runs and piracy. I've got dirty credits to make in my midnight black skull covered Corvette.
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I've followed the thread all day and read with interest the reactions of various posters. It has ignited a level of vitriol which has surprised me, to be honest. I always understood the foundation of sci-fi as being that which allowed us to imagine and explore an imaginary future different from the now. If that is not the corner-stone of sci-fi, I don't know what is. The OP raised - for me, at least - a very interesting exploration of how modern language might have inherited a mythology and sub-text that perhaps needs to be questioned. I was expecting a diverse and stimulating series of responses - some serious and some mocking. What I read is instead is nothing short of dismaying. Slurs and mock-offensive tones have abounded in spades. As a writer, I know how language is a powerful tool which can shape and perpetuate ideologies and agendas. To gainsay that is ignorant at best. At worst it is disingenuous. ED is primarily a player-driven, emergent game-play, model. Essential to that is the ability to question and develop things in-game which might seem natural or casual: to open out and explore new ideas and new ways of expressing things. It makes this game stimulating. Contingent on that is the openness and willingness to engage with new ideas or expressions - especially in the Exploration sub-forum. It seems that this has not happened. It seems, to paraphrase, that we have 'in'd the effable again . . .
Given that the vast majority of possible responses to the OP are political in nature, there shouldn't be "tolerance" anywhere on this forum, per your own guide lines.
It is because it is a game, it is escapism and we do not want real world oppressive thought control political "isms" being brought into an arena where we can re-invent ourselves in a fake persona, get into a fake ship and fly in a fake Galaxy.
And do fake FUN things.
Leave politics for the real world, its a dark depressing and very UNFUN place.
It's quite shocked me to see those words in the mouths of people here.
I'd like to say I'm surprised by the responses, but in fact it's been depressingly predictable. A few people whose posts on ED I enjoy reading have perhaps surprised me but when you think of the general demographic it's not really that much of a shock.
Explain what you mean by the 'General demographic'. i am feeling marginalised and feel the urge to be slightly offended..potentially.
Nah, you're not
The ideas in the OP are interesting and worth considering - I'm not necessarily one way or another with it - but so many people have not considered it at all.
FWIW it should NEVER have been posted in exploration, and possibly not at all, because of how it was always going to be (not) received.
I suppose I thought the Exploration forum by its very nature might have brought a maturity of responses outwith the general level of the other forums. I paraphrase Vonnegut here: 'any poster who expresses rage and loathing for a novel idea is preposterous. That poster is like a person who has put on full armour to attack a hot fudge sundae . . .'
All opinions are worthy of consideration, just in context.
The Exploration subforum was a discussion arena out of context.
We are now discussing the topic here, as decided by the moderators on the wishes of the majority of the posters in the Exploration subforum.
So, what 'General demographic' did you mean? I am genuinely interested by that.
The Exploration subforum was a discussion arena out of context.
We are now discussing the topic here, as decided by the moderators on the wishes of the majority of the posters in the Exploration subforum.
So, what 'General demographic' did you mean? I am genuinely interested by that.
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