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ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement
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Are you sure you'll still be wanting it in 57 years time ?
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Well that is a pleasant thought. And they seem to imply that it is a startup choice from the launcher.
Horizons is a startup choice from the launcher
What'll be interesting is whether, and how the base game interacts with Odyssey without Horizons.
"Flattening the curve" of PR damage limitation - epic
Smooth walking rather than the janky teleporting is becoming the norm in VR first person. I don't think any of the VR players were expecting Space Legs to feature tracked hands and full interactivity like Half Life Alyx, more like Tomb Raider on VR. Basically allowing the FPS element of the game to talk to the VR display, even if walking and aiming were done with Keyboard and mouse or joypad, but the display on the VR headset, with the movement of the players head only altering the direction of looking not the character/body/gun.
This ties into the next one:
Basically the comparison of balance date from inner ear to viewed motion resulting in a mismatch causing nausea is an evolutionary dating back to out hunter gatherer days. If we ate something that was toxic, like poisonous berries, it might intoxicate us. Were that the case, the ears and eyes would be sensing differing conflicting movement data, the brain then identifies this mismatch, deduces we've eaten something bad for us, and send the body into vomiting to get the toxic or contaminated foor out of our stomach to stop us ingesting more of it lest it became a lethal dosage we ingest.
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This next bit is about netcode:
The otherday I encountered a hostile CMDR in a CZ, when I went to engage them they started pinging back and forth, eventually I gave up, and went back to shooting NPC's, but the CMDR never came near me again, so I wonder did they have the same experience, as in was I also rubberbanding on their screen?
Maybe in the medium term future, as in not tomorrow or next year, but in a couple of years, once IPv6 is ubiquitous. But we are not quite there yet, for example BT's broadband filters ICMP requests, so as one of their customers, I can no longer log into elite on IPv6.
I used to be able to log into IPv6, however one of the updates, September or January brought about a change in the netcode, and I cannot access elit in IPv6 any more, and my network experience suffers for it, see tale of rubberbanding in CZ above.
ITs super annoying when I go into open and start seeing players ships "rubber banding" (reciprocating back and forwards between two positions, both of which might be on a similar or even the same trajectory).
The otherday I encountered a hostile CMDR in a CZ, when I went to engage them they started pinging back and forth, eventually I gave up, and went back to shooting NPC's, but the CMDR never came near me again, so I wonder did they have the same experience, as in was I also rubberbanding on their screen?
Maybe in the medium term future, as in not tomorrow or next year, but in a couple of years, once IPv6 is ubiquitous. But we are not quite there yet, for example BT's broadband filters ICMP requests, so as one of their customers, I can no longer log into elite on IPv6.
I used to be able to log into IPv6, however one of the updates, September or January brought about a change in the netcode, and I cannot access elit in IPv6 any more, and my network experience suffers for it, see tale of rubberbanding in CZ above.
I know what you mean buddy, but there is 9,353 pages each of 25 rows of a membership list on here, ~233,825 members listed. Spread that across the four franchises and we have ~58,000 Elite forum members, from ~3.5 million copies sold, it works out at ~1.65% of the Elite player base is on the forum. It might be higher as the 3.5m doesn't factor in multiple ownership, either through alt accounts and or multiple platforms. For example old duck has PC + PS4. Many CMDRS at around 2.1 bought an alt to sore engineering cargo as the engineering cargo was part of the crafting process, and you wouldn't want to take it into a CZ, and or simply couldn't access some of our ships until we offloaded the cargo either to market or rolling mods. In some cases you couldn't access the ship you wished to engineer because of the cargo you were carrying to use in the engineering process
But with an arbitrary guestimate at ~58,000 forum accounts I'd reckon that should be enough to give us a reasonably representative cross-section?
I've also asked for clarification on that point and others raised elsewhere.These questions have been asked, but you did a good job summarizing them.
I'd like to add at least one more which has also been asked:
- Do you have an ETA after launch when VR will be available for Odyssey or can you confirm that it will at least eventually be available?
Or lasers with HUGE energy reserves.
I know how you feel... It's not like I'm a regular critic, indeed in the furore arising from costs at launch of carriers in beta 1 - I was defending frontier, and even though I'm not interested in becoming a carrier owner, I even took the time put forward some well-structured suggestions on some of the other non cost related criticisms.
I've been a loyal customer, throwing silly amounts of money at the store over the years to contribute to the games commercial success and fund development, the positive side of voting with my wallet if you will. And now? I definitely feel that I've been "thrown under a beluga" to borrow a phrase I seen someone else use in a comment.
I found the legal battles with Bell/Braben distasteful, but it was Bell who sued Braben, however I can understand and empathise with Bell's point of view. On the flipside, Braben did greenlight Oolite to use the Elite lore, but not the name, and the lore is the biggest part of the IP, so maybe, just maybe, when frontier fail the coffin on E;D we might get Oolite Dangerous?
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Horizons is a startup choice from the launcher
What'll be interesting is whether, and how the base game interacts with Odyssey without Horizons.
Indeed, much remains to be seen.
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Indeed. They should do it on oculus store version as well..,.....
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So is it the case that Horizons is included within the Odyssey season pass given that Odyssey, or at least that element in the teaser, involves planet-side activity? Or is Odyssey an extension of Horizons with a wider range of bodies. I mean it’s not really a big deal, but is interesting.
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So is it the case that Horizons is included within the Odyssey season pass given that Odyssey, or at least that element in the teaser, involves planet-side activity? Or is Odyssey an extension of Horizons with a wider range of bodies. I mean it’s not really a big deal, but is interesting.
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My guess, and only a guess, is that like starting the basic game or Horizons, it is just another way into the shared galaxy, with additional content (like engineers/ planetary landing is for Horizons) sans the VR ability. Still vats of popcorn to season over that design choice I would guess.
Me? A new 55" curved screen is in order.
So is it the case that Horizons is included within the Odyssey season pass given that Odyssey, or at least that element in the teaser, involves planet-side activity? Or is Odyssey an extension of Horizons with a wider range of bodies. I mean it’s not really a big deal, but is interesting.
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Do you mean purchase wise?
I'm envisioning there being three prices for Odyssey:
- New to elite no previous ownership
So this will include Base + Horizons + Odyssey
Full AAA Price at ~£60 / ~$45 / ~€67
This is what horizons cost at preorder - Base Game owner no horizons
So this will include Odyssey and Horizons
Slightly discounted at ~£50 / ~$62.50 / ~€56
Horizons launch price for Odyssey
+ base game sale price for Horizons - Horizons player upgrading
Owns both base and Horizons so only buying Odyssey
~£40 / ~$50 / ~€48
This is what horizons cost at preorder
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I dare to speculate that Horizons will be melted with the base game when Odyssey arrives. But don't quote me on this, only if I'm right...
Probably, it is the path of least resistance from a design perspective I think.
It wouldn't be odd for a customer to be able to walk in their ship or at a spaceport and not be able to land on any planets.
But it would be odd for a player to be able to land on atmospheric worlds (and walk around on them) but not land on airless ones. Not being able to walk on airless worlds could be plausible (wrong kind of spacesuit).
My theory is one of convenience - Horizons won't be automatically bundled with either the base game or Odyssey (or at least will remain available as separate SKUs) but base & horizons will be priced so cheaply that players will be encouraged to buy them anyway.
So:
Base game = £20
Horizons = £20
Odyssey = £30
Base + Horizons = £25
All three = £50
Something like that I reckon, for backwards compatibility. Compulsory bundling of Horizons & Odyssey seems most likely though.
I could get snarky and say there is also a 4th pricing option:
4. VR players (Base and or Horizons)
Excluded from Odyssey so we walk away
~£0
~£0
If we cannot play it in VR we aren't flippin' buying it
Idk what £ equals in usd but on ps store in USA its $30 for base + $30 for horizon $60 for base +horizon bundle when its not on sale
Yeah, the £ thing causes me a quick pause and about a 1.25 multiplier to be applied.
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