Thargoid Data Gathering Effort: We need your help!
- Thread starter M. Volgrand
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Well we don't really know how/where the Thargoids are moving from/to, because as Moribus mentioned, they only show themselves when they're investigating (or maybe attacking) us. e.g. we don't see them in supercruise within systems.
For all we know they're jumping in & out from the Col 70 sector into the Maia bubble (& a little outside for hyperdictions, furthest 210 LYs so far).
1st contact for you I assume?
What are you in the dark about?
The CG system is not the epicentre of the Thargoid NHSSs (or Thargoid Structures), if that's what you were referring to, if not I've no idea what you're referring to. And what 70 LY boundary??
You're post is pretty vague!
What I'm saying is that we establish a priemiter to find the thargoids. I'm not asking do we know where they are. I'm suggesting that we narrow the search field using common sense. Meaning the Thargoid hyperdictions will thin out the further you get from their intended path/ Or beach head/ mega ship. As they sweep outward in a standard circular search pattern. You know tactics.
If you want to increase your chances of finding this mega ship or beach head. Then I suggest narrowing the possible locations. It's like setting up a soccer field. You need to outline where the goals are to score. Once you have your outline the thargoids will be somewhere in that closed off area. If you then sweep that area you will find the thargoids.
What's the alternative. Using common sense to establish a search area. Or continue to just collect data randomly. Under the assumption they are acting randomly. They must have a target. And you can find it by figuring out where the thargoids are not. I don't think I could make it more clear. It's doubtful the Thargoids know where every human ship in the galaxy is. So when you get hyperdicted you came across them. They did not jump from the witchhead nebula to your location.
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What's confusing me here, is that... we already know where they are.... so saying "What I'm saying is that we establish a priemiter to find the thargoids." is kinda confusing.
Are you saying you think we haven't yet found them? As in, you think there's another place to look? Where do you suggest?
High-Five to you!
(he said that in reply to my last argument about the validity of things said by Characters in the books )
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The Patrol Zone on the USS-Survey EDMC Plugin has a perimeter between 145 and 155 ly of Merope where it intersects with a sphere 380ly of earth. Its a few thousand systems. Not too many USS to be found in that area though.
We can set up other search areas if you have other ideas.
So you found the beach head/ thargoid fleet/ megaship/station.
Do you have pics?
Do you have pics?
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Go to page 1 of this thread. Download the map tool, and have a look
So have you found the thargoid fleet/beach head/ mega ship. If not. Form a joint effort made up of 4 teams and box them in.
Do you unserstand what I'm saying now. Where is the fleet?
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I'm going to assume that we have not found the fleet/beach head/ vanguard force/ mega ship. And if not
They will be in a finite local. By sweeping that area in teams. Forming a box around them
You will find them and thier intented location.
They will be in a finite local. By sweeping that area in teams. Forming a box around them
You will find them and thier intented location.
Not sure if you saw, but we have a map of Hyperdictions and USS
https://map.canonn.technology/all/
Have a look for patterns. If you can come up with a list of systems to patrol I can add them to our EDMC plugin
okay you don't appear to be listening/reading or paying attention. It's a finite space.. CHECK THE WHOLE SPACE BY FORMING A BOX AROUND IT WITH SHIPS. AND SEARCH EVERY SYSTEM IN THAT SPACE.
How could you guys not get that? You already have a perimeter meaning the thargoids are in that perimeter. Meaning you can easily find them if you SWEEP the whole dam thing froming a box around it.
I'm getting frustrated it's basic. Make a perimeter. The Thargoids are NOT outside of that perimeter. So you don't have to look outside the perimeter.
Concluding an blind deaf mute could find the thargoid fleet/beach head/mega ship. If they used this method. Jebus.
I don't believe I can make this any more simplistic unless I draw a box and explain everything outside that box is where you don't look with pictures.
You need to systematically search every system with a min of 4 groups. Making a box. The 4 teams made up of multiple wings per team. Move the CAGE/BOX closer excluding systems as they go. You will not be able to miss the thargoids. Comb the whole dam thing system by system. Again very basic stuff.
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That's a great idea, you go set that up and let us know how it goes
What's your plan to find the thargoid secrets/beach head/ mothership/fleet.
Because the above plan is a common often used viable and thorough method of finding anything. Do you have a better method? If you're going to insult me. At least tell me a better way of doing it.
Also I'm pretty sure we can already exclude the outer most systems making the cage/box smaller already.
I'm also sure there is a way to narrow that field further. Perhaps even the number of ships present when hyperdicting.
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You kinda did just yell at the guy who wrote plugins for tracking Thargoid encounters, and is probably the one person who's put the most work in to this project thus far. Call me crazy but that's not the best way to rally people to your flag.
Now for why I believe your search to be entirely futile, and be warned that there's a fair bit of meta-gaming in this:
1) I don't believe anything has ever been found in game that wasn't in a teaser trailer released by FD (possible exception of some of the space fungus).
2) The most recent teaser (Frontier Expo teaser) shows 3 things we've not seen yet. The Type 10 Defender, a very brief hint of space stations being attacked by Thargoids, and new aggressive red Thargoids. Not the sort of stuff you're suggesting we search for.
3) One of the features of 2.4 is the ability to inject content or activate content without a patch. As such there's a bunch of content that's not been activated yet, and hence can't be found until FD flick the switch.
So really it's on you to provide some solid reasoning why your proposed search isn't futile. What leads you to believe that what you're looking for is there to be found?
I believe the Thargoids are here in this Box. By Using a Strip search pattern. Or Grid Search Pattern from 4 starting points. you can easily narrow in on their location/location of secrets. 
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Possibly but we're not sure what frontier has released yet exactly. Obviously we had no idea when the first guy got hyperdicted. We don't really know what we will find. Logs/new Data/ ships in larger numbers/ good times etc.
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I think you're seeing an insult where none was intended, despite your inflammatory posts. It's not clear to me what your plan involves, or why you're suggesting this in the first place. So suggesting you assemble a group and go show us how it's done is, literally, exactly what you need to do.
You also seem to be under the impression that there is a Thargoid secret we are looking for, you keep talking about a "fleet" or "mothership" or "beachhead", without telling us what you think we should be looking for, what that thing is, or why you think one exists for us to actually find.
I also think your grasp of the scale of space, and the realities of "grid searching" an area 300ly across is making it difficult for you to communicate your idea to us. BTW, you're talking about over 12,000 star systems. If we include the ones outside the UA shell and include the buffer zone where we know Hyperdictions occur, that's bringing us to something like 50,000 star systems. That's more than in the colonised Bubble of human space.
You also seem to lack an understanding of how the Thargoids travel - they can jump from point to point without crossing the space in-between (from what we can tell). Explain to us how we can use a grid-search to catch an enemy fleet/mothership if it can jump away at any moment and appear in any location, even one we've already searched or an area outside the grid-search box?
You seem to be imagining that space is a flat plane and Thargoids are like people hiding in a field, and by grid-searching the field we can locate all the people. That's a misunderstanding of the concepts involved in every aspect of "finding Thargoids" and "space travel" and "three dimensions".
While there indeed is very likely to be secrets left to find, there are already hundreds, if not thousands of people in the Pleaides zooming around looking at all the things. There are systematic search efforts by fine people at Canonn and other investigations groups, and there are random searches by everyone else. There has been reporting tools since day zero, and there's a vast, vast collection of gathered data and tools like LCU's EDMC plugin makes it even easier to report encounters - simply repeating that we need to use a grid search and getting angry when we don't immediately call you a genius for coming up with such a brilliant plan is foolhardy in the extreme.
Yes, now I'm being insulting.
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Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
I just removed a ton of posts in here. I suggest the parties involved think long and hard before hitting the 'reply' button again and continuing this little spat.
Please stay on topic. No flaming or trolling. No harassing.
I suggest people check out the forum "ignore" feature if you cannot abide some other poster.
Please stay on topic. No flaming or trolling. No harassing.
I suggest people check out the forum "ignore" feature if you cannot abide some other poster.
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Ah, thank you for unlocking the thread mod Jenner , I was quite gutted this morning to see it locked!
Right, I hope I can carry on the technical side of things without stirring things up!
Doctor doom
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying your right by the following questions, I'm just curious.
How deep do you think your search box should be?
What made you decide on that area? I want to know your theory (I have read previous posts, I didn't see a theory, unless I missed it? Tell or link me the post number in which case).
Also I assume the last of the 3 boxes is a refinement of your ideas?
My own theory is that they're jumping in to the Merope system (maybe in a mega-ship, like you said, or maybe via a controlled wormhole), from the Col 70 sector & then spreading outwards.
And why hasn't this mega-ship been found if it's just sitting in Merope? Well, if they do have some sort of mega-ship in Merope, it's a l-o-n-g way out from the star, say 100,000s Ls from the arrival star, so the odds of stumbling across it, or even deliberately finding it are miniscule!
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I'm off the search & rescue job atm, I went back to the bubble to sell my exploration data & see if I can kit out my mk3 Cobra to do the job better than my FDL (thanks to Volgrand for that idea from the CG thread). Then I'll be back in the Merope bubble.
, I was quite gutted this morning to see it locked!Right, I hope I can carry on the technical side of things without stirring things up!
Doctor doom
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying your right by the following questions, I'm just curious.
How deep do you think your search box should be?
What made you decide on that area? I want to know your theory
(I have read previous posts, I didn't see a theory, unless I missed it? Tell or link me the post number in which case).Also I assume the last of the 3 boxes is a refinement of your ideas?
My own theory is that they're jumping in to the Merope system (maybe in a mega-ship, like you said, or maybe via a controlled wormhole), from the Col 70 sector & then spreading outwards.
And why hasn't this mega-ship been found if it's just sitting in Merope? Well, if they do have some sort of mega-ship in Merope, it's a l-o-n-g way out from the star, say 100,000s Ls from the arrival star, so the odds of stumbling across it, or even deliberately finding it are miniscule!
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I'm off the search & rescue job atm, I went back to the bubble to sell my exploration data & see if I can kit out my mk3 Cobra to do the job better than my FDL (thanks to Volgrand for that idea from the CG thread
). Then I'll be back in the Merope bubble.Ah, thank you for unlocking the thread mod Jenner
Right, I hope I can carry on the technical side of things without stirring things up!
Doctor doom
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying your right by the following questions, I'm just curious.
How deep do you think your search box should be?
What made you decide on that area? I want to know your theory
Also I assume the last of the 3 boxes is a refinement of your ideas?
My own theory is that they're jumping in to the Merope system (maybe in a mega-ship, like you said, or maybe via a controlled wormhole), from the Col 70 sector & then spreading outwards.
And why hasn't this mega-ship been found if it's just sitting in Merope? Well, if they do have some sort of mega-ship in Merope, it's a l-o-n-g way out from the star, say 100,000s Ls from the arrival star, so the odds of stumbling across it, or even deliberately finding it are miniscule!
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I'm off the search & rescue job atm, I went back to the bubble to sell my exploration data & see if I can kit out my mk3 Cobra to do the job better than my FDL (thanks to Volgrand for that idea from the CG thread
I was talking earlier on Cannon discord and asking questions about Thargoid Sensors. Do they span galaxy wide. If they are jumping in from a huge distance out to find you. such as Col 70. The lore would need to support galaxy wide sensor capabilities. If not a fleet would have to be localized to find you.
If the case is that these two options are not supported in the game. Then the hyperdictions don't mean anything, and are entirely random. And no amount of data collected will lead anywhere.
If a fleet is Localized it would need A berth. Dock/base/mega ship. I suggested that the base would be in witch space but someone shot that theory down.
The effectiveness of any strip search would be to make the grid as small as possible by using current data to shrink that grid to it's smallest possible point. I suggest doing so based on the Amount of thargoids seen during a hyperdiction. For example I got interdicted by 3 Thargoids in one instance. How often does that happen.
Your theory could be correct. I'm not sure. Also could you elborate on your findings and theory please or provide a link. I think that a berth/dock would have to exist if the thargoids are indeed localized.
This makes me draw 2 conclusions. Either the thargoids are in a finite space there...and jumping in. And you only need to investigate the source. Or they are here and there is a base localized. Current logs suggest that they never left. << I'm not 100% what that entails.
Also if the green thargoids are hiding from red thargoids. Where are they hiding?
To answer your question why this box. Well It seems to be less populated by humans. And the hyperdictions seem to be getting further away from merope. I was also hoping that this box could become much much smaller as more sightings hyperdictions etc occur.
I really appreciate you being civil and asking questions and opening discussion up again. Thanks man.
How deep should the search area be. Well it should be a given that you would search all systems in that square regardless of how deep they are on the galatic plane. If they are indeed localized then hopefully we could find a way reduce the search grid to less then 50 systems. Providing a berth exists.
We know the thargoids possibly never left. And we are being hyperdicted by the green thargoids not the red ones.
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I was just hyperdicted - business as usual, but there were three Interceptors!
I didn't have a shutdown neutralizer on me, so I boosted away. The eventually shut me down, but after that they simply left the scene. I submitted this incident in the form.
I didn't have a shutdown neutralizer on me, so I boosted away. The eventually shut me down, but after that they simply left the scene. I submitted this incident in the form.