The Galactic Mapping Project & Historical Archive of Exploration

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

"Left untouched" is the key word.
If the original submitter didn't have all info on the POI or maybe chose to omit some for the sake of his roleplay, it is what it is. We are aware Odyssey created a lot of possible conundrums and inconsistencies and maybe we'll deal with them on a one by one basis. Also, the GMP is not a "historical fact" based astronomical database. It's a place where people can post their findings along with a nice story and a cool name.

Yeah I understand that, but take a look at this example. I found it odd with other Nebulae entries like Triffid Nebula lacked the same introduction as many others real life counterparts on the database. So I thought that submitting a new description similar to other real life examples on edsm in game was actually helpful in the renewal. But if modifying an entry to make it similar to others is too much for the untouched policy, well I'll try to not go with that, even though all that I did was trying to make it like other entries.

In other words I thought that is what is being looked for with renewals. I'll try to adapt to what you guys tell me. Even though I highly recommend to update the looks as the game in some parts looks drastically different than in a lot of the entries. I think someone mentioned to add a Horizons/Odyssey comparison? I don't know, the photos are not even mine but I submit them out of the interest to help GMP to slowly update with the new graphics engine/game out of sheer interest.

 

[Andrew Gaspurr]

I'll try to adapt to what you guys tell me.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

Thank you for your understanding.

So based on the previous conversation. Would you consider that Triffid Nebula entry valid?

 

[Baxder]

Yeah I understand that, but take a look at this example. I found it odd with other Nebulae entries like Triffid Nebula lacked the same introduction as many others real life counterparts on the database. So I thought that submitting a new description similar to other real life examples on edsm in game was actually helpful in the renewal. But if modifying an entry to make it similar to others is too much for the untouched policy, well I'll try to not go with that, even though all that I did was trying to make it like other entries.

In other words I thought that is what is being looked for with renewals. I'll try to adapt to what you guys tell me. Even though I highly recommend to update the looks as the game in some parts looks drastically different than in a lot of the entries. I think someone mentioned to add a Horizons/Odyssey comparison? I don't know, the photos are not even mine but I submit them out of the interest to help GMP to slowly update with the new graphics engine/game out of sheer interest.

I wonder if what you're referring to as "renewals" is what we asked for at the launch of Odyssey when we were unsure if existing planetary feature/geological/surface POI's would be altered or vanished from the game because of the new planetary tech. AFAIK/IIRC, the only updates we sought from the community were concerning those specific entries. Your effort is valiant, and your enthusiasm is much appreciated, but I think @Andrew Gaspurr is nailing it. We don't make a point of updating EDSM entries for anything other than verifiable, factual changes in the POI itself. (E.g., the number of personnel at Morgan's Rock).

In the case of Odyssey planetary updates we've asked for, a lot of POI's are simply gone, (Pomeche II C, David and Goliath, etc), or their nature has completely changed. At best, their location has changed or their reference Geo/Bio site number doesn't exist in Odyssey. Those are the updates we need in order to bring EDSM up to Odyssey snuff and are actively seeking. Anything else is subjective, and will not justify altering an entry. As an English major, it sucks for me to say that "better" is not a criterion, even if it seems to bring it up to par with other entries.

Unless I missed something, I don't think we want CMDR's to take their time submitting Hor/Ody comparison photos. To replace pictures in EDSM simply for the sake of aesthetics would turn any historical POI's value on its head. We have to keep it factually current, so POI's that have gone by Odyssey's way-side will be archived unchanged. Others that remain will be left as they were discovered and submitted in homage to the legacy of Commanders who have gone before, and the history of galactic exploration in Elite, unless the POI has changed in a way that requires a photographic update.

OTOH, replacement pics for broken image links are always welcome.

 

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

I wonder if what you're referring to as "renewals" is what we asked for at the launch of Odyssey when we were unsure if existing planetary feature/geological/surface POI's would be altered or vanished from the game because of the new planetary tech. AFAIK/IIRC, the only updates we sought from the community were concerning those specific entries. Your effort is valiant, and your enthusiasm is much appreciated, but I think @Andrew Gaspurr is nailing it. We don't make a point of updating EDSM entries for anything other than verifiable, factual changes in the POI itself. (E.g., the number of personnel at Morgan's Rock).

In the case of Odyssey planetary updates we've asked for, a lot of POI's are simply gone, (Pomeche II C, David and Goliath, etc), or their nature has completely changed. At best, their location has changed or their reference Geo/Bio site number doesn't exist in Odyssey. Those are the updates we need in order to bring EDSM up to Odyssey snuff and are actively seeking. Anything else is subjective, and will not justify altering an entry. As an English major, it sucks for me to say that "better" is not a criterion, even if it seems to bring it up to par with other entries.

Unless I missed something, I don't think we want CMDR's to take their time submitting Hor/Ody comparison photos. To replace pictures in EDSM simply for the sake of aesthetics would turn any historical POI's value on its head. We have to keep it factually current, so POI's that have gone by Odyssey's way-side will be archived unchanged. Others that remain will be left as they were discovered and submitted in homage to the legacy of Commanders who have gone before, and the history of galactic exploration in Elite, unless the POI has changed in a way that requires a photographic update.

OTOH, replacement pics for broken image links are always welcome.

Hey, fellow English major here

Ok, now that you specified what you want with renewals I think we will be good. The reason for insistence is because I made an initiative (Sidewinder Syndicate Scouting Initiative) where other commanders in Odyssey go and take pictures or get certain logs in either unclear POI's (with dubious descriptions) or photos that are either broken, non-existent or outdated. So the resources exist, as I'm providing the pictures to show changes with the help of other commanders. I made the initiative mostly because I had people wanting to explore places and thought it was nice to give that utility. So you guys now know you have that resource outside of expeditions.

altered or vanished from the game because of the new planetary tech. AFAIK/IIRC, the only updates we sought from the community were concerning those specific entries

So far we discovered certain numbers of those geological sites actually still exist. And the planetary tech did wonders in some of them.

So here is what I'm going to do.

I'll focus the initiative on the places that need renewal that is uncertain if they were lost/not lost in Odyssey, things that are useful for GMP. (Since now you and @Andrew Gaspurr clarified, that was actually my worry for the effort.) I will also submit a new picture of broken links.

The only thing if I would want to ask is to credit the CMDR's correctly if they are taking pictures as I saw you guys don't like to credit some of my exploration efforts like expeditions or initiatives. (Even though other expeditions are credited in other entries, but whatever).

(please credit IKERSTHEMAGE in the NGC entry pleeease)

With that being said, I will submit more stuff in the criteria you both gave me and OCASSIONALLY add one extra photo/new entry for something that is visually different on Odyssey. But as @Andrew Gaspurr mentioned, is a big "MAY" (Hey at least is not 0 chance ). I will not feel bad if it's rejected but I will give you the option to always add a fresher picture. (Since we get to revisit these places often).

With that being said, expect more entries and fewer headaches. I promise, thanks for taking your time to answer the questions. And it is of my interest to make these entries, not only for clarity but for the planning of future expeditions.

 

[Diostar50]

The only thing if I would want to ask is to credit the CMDR's correctly if they are taking pictures as I saw you guys don't like to credit some of my exploration efforts like expeditions or initiatives. (Even though other expeditions are credited in other entries, but whatever).

From what I remember, the GMP don't always credit the submitter of a POI in the descriptive text but instead provide a link to that players actual post where the submission was made. You get recognition that way. I think its like that because a lot of POIs submitted to the GMP are locations that are -or were- tagged by someone completely different in the actual game itself, especially in the early years of the GMP, and that was the logical way to do it as to not cause arguments between in-game discoverers, and GMP submissions. (GMP may confirm this?).

Colonia is an example of where the in game discoverer and GMP submitter both got mentions in the writeup, so it does happen in specific cases. CMDR Cly discovered Jaques in the Eol Pruo nebula (as it was called back then) and he tagged the system in game, but he never submitted his discovery to the GMP despite being asked to at the time, so I submitted that location after visiting it and taking pics, and with the help from the GMP (Erimus and Corbin Moran), we came up with the name 'Colonia'. Which frontier later adopted.

As for crediting expeditions, that's something I've seen happen. There's definitely POIs that have expeditions mentioned, but I think that's because those POIs were discovered during those expeditions as far as I know, or the bigger/famous expeditions used those locations as official waypoints and helped make them more popular. Crediting updated photos I'm all for, but crediting new expeditions, especially ones that never actually discovered those already known POIs, I'm not sure is a good idea . just my thoughts.

 

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

From what I remember, the GMP don't always credit the submitter of a POI in the descriptive text but instead provide a link to that players actual post where the submission was made. You get recognition that way. I think its like that because a lot of POIs submitted to the GMP are locations that are -or were- tagged by someone completely different in the actual game itself, especially in the early years of the GMP, and that was the logical way to do it as to not cause arguments between in-game discoverers, and GMP submissions. (GMP may confirm this?).

Colonia is an example of where the in game discoverer and GMP submitter both got mentions in the writeup, so it does happen in specific cases. CMDR Cly discovered Jaques in the Eol Pruo nebula (as it was called back then) and he tagged the system in game, but he never submitted his discovery to the GMP despite being asked to at the time, so I submitted that location after visiting it and taking pics, and with the help from the GMP (Erimus and Corbin Moran), we came up with the name 'Colonia'. Which frontier later adopted.

As for crediting expeditions, that's something I've seen happen. There's definitely POIs that have expeditions mentioned, but I think that's because those POIs were discovered during those expeditions as far as I know, or the bigger/famous expeditions used those locations as official waypoints and helped make them more popular. Crediting updated photos I'm all for, but crediting new expeditions, especially ones that never actually discovered those already known POIs, I'm not sure is a good idea . just my thoughts.

Yeah, they sort of indirectly clarified it. Since I focused on renewals wrong I don't think the initiative deserves credit on the entries unless it's a significant renewal. But for the astrophotographer of a new photo/broken link/new photo, I think the CMDR should be credited even without mentioning an expedition/initiative behind the effort (As Astrophotography by X CMDR) if @Baxder gets some time to just add CMDR IkerzTheMage name with CMDR Sahb (that was credited, thank you) on the photo renewal NGC 6188 Sector LC-V c2-28, that could be dope since he forgot by accident.

Thank you for your words Diostar50, your commentary is on point.

 

[Ragnor1309]

Hello everyone,

I don't know if it was special but I've never found anything like it before.

Name	Poseidons Garden
Game Map	SYNOOKEIA MD-K D8-72
Decription	An F-star and a K-star system that contain a total of 5 water worlds and one ammonia world. The F star is surrounded by two water worlds and an ammonia world, which have a dense atmosphere. Water world B6 and B7 form a pair, which together orbit the K-Star. A4 = Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. A5= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. A6= Terrestrial ammonia world with active ammonia-based chemistry and life based on carbon and ammonia. B6= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. B7= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. B8= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. The system was named after Poseidon, who was the god of the sea in Greek mythology.

Greetings and an nice weekend
Cmdr. Ragnor 1309

 

[Baxder]

I have a triple 'Notable Stellar Phenomena' just discovered (by cmdr RUIFO):

Name:	Ploea Brou IX-U b16-9
Game map search ref:	Ploea Brou IX-U b16-9
Description:	3 Notable Stellar Phenomena on Planet # 2 ring system, system: Ploea Brou IX-U b16-9. Once there, you can find: signals for Prasinum Ice Crystals + Flavum Ice Crystals + Roseum Squid Mollusc. It is nearby to several other systems with other Notable Stellar Phenomena. Distance from Sol: 50,857 LY; from Colonia: 34,409 LY; from Sagittarius A: 25,316 LY; from Beagle Point: 16,386 LY.
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Please submit a name for this POI. Preferably for the "region" of NSP's you've come across. They'll be a nice addition to that sparse arm (known as The Bleak Lands, as it happens)!

 

[Baxder]

It looks like the beacon contest...beacons...will be added on Thursday, so look for an update soon thereafter for entries submitted up to the 28th.

 

[Baxder]

Hello everyone,

I don't know if it was special but I've never found anything like it before.

Name	Poseidons Garden
Game Map	SYNOOKEIA MD-K D8-72
Decription	An F-star and a K-star system that contain a total of 5 water worlds and one ammonia world. The F star is surrounded by two water worlds and an ammonia world, which have a dense atmosphere. Water world B6 and B7 form a pair, which together orbit the K-Star. A4 = Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. A5= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. A6= Terrestrial ammonia world with active ammonia-based chemistry and life based on carbon and ammonia. B6= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. B7= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. B8= Terrestrial aquatic world with active water-based chemistry and life based on carbon and water. The planet could be terraformed. The system was named after Poseidon, who was the god of the sea in Greek mythology.

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Greetings and an nice weekend
Cmdr. Ragnor 1309

Just one more AW would have nabbed a record! Nice find!

 

[Baxder]

Yeah, they sort of indirectly clarified it. Since I focused on renewals wrong I don't think the initiative deserves credit on the entries unless it's a significant renewal. But for the astrophotographer of a new photo/broken link/new photo, I think the CMDR should be credited even without mentioning an expedition/initiative behind the effort (As Astrophotography by X CMDR) if @Baxder gets some time to just add CMDR IkerzTheMage name with CMDR Sahb (that was credited, thank you) on the photo renewal NGC 6188 Sector LC-V c2-28, that could be dope since he forgot by accident.

Thank you for your words Diostar50, your commentary is on point.

Photo credit added.

 

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

Photo credit added.

Thanks, you're the best

 

[Baxder]

Name:	Entdecker Gefahr
Game map search ref:	Dryuae Scraa BA-A G18
Description:	Discovered by CMDR Suzie during an independent survey of high mass systems, This black hole system includes a colorful array of gas giants, brown dwarfs, and their many landable moons. Additionally, all materials needed for FSD injection can be located on these moons, making this a "Green" system. You likely will not need them, however, as the main draw of this system is a rare double-binary of neutron stars. Located just a few thousand lightyears from Colonia, this system makes for a convenient yet exotic destination. The name "Entdecker Gefahr" Originally meaning Explorers Peril roughly translated into German.
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Thanks for the clarification!

 

[Heavy Johnson]

I haven't updated in quite a while, but there are still a number of old POI needing photos: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/photographers-and-explorers-we-need-you.508093/

 

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

I haven't updated in quite a while, but there are still a number of old POI needing photos: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/photographers-and-explorers-we-need-you.508093/

I have a good amount of volunteers that will gladly take some pictures. This is really helfpul. Hopefully after the 2 expeditions I'm scheduling I get to tackle most of these.

Thanks Heavy

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

A quick update, and a request.

Frontier have renamed the Greae Hypa nebula to 'Dr. Kay's Soul', in honour of Dr. Kay Ross who helped design the stellar forge.

Link : Dr. Kay's Soul

The GMP have renamed the nebula on EDSM to reflect this.

Nearby the nebula, there is also a star system that's been renamed to 'Dr. Kay's Heart'. We'd like to add this to the GMP too, but there is no info or screenshots of the system yet. If someone is in that area and wants to get some info and pics, and post them here, please do.

 

[Richard Fluiraniz M]

A quick update, and a request.

Frontier have renamed the Greae Hypa nebula to 'Dr. Kay's Soul', in honour of Dr. Kay Ross who helped design the stellar forge.

Link : Dr. Kay's Soul

The GMP have renamed the nebula on EDSM to reflect this.

Nearby the nebula, there is also a star system that's been renamed to 'Dr. Kay's Heart'. We'd like to add this to the GMP too, but there is no info or screenshots of the system yet. If someone is in that area and wants to get some info and pics, and post them here, please do.

Hey Erimus

I'm going to see if any of the scouts get it. If so, I'll upload a picture with it.

 

[Baxder]

I haven't updated in quite a while, but there are still a number of old POI needing photos: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/photographers-and-explorers-we-need-you.508093/

HL Lupis, Singularities Playground, Rorschach Nebula, Breakthrough Echoes, Ogle-2006, The Venetian Nebula, and Gorgons are all already updated with photos. The Mylaifai nebula listing links to a "Red Cloud Nebula" that has a photo.

 

[Baxder]

Yeah, they sort of indirectly clarified it...

Reviewing the photo update thread, I came across this if you're looking for some direct clarification

Its highly likely that Odyssey will make obsolete a lot of the Geological and Topographical POIs that were discovered during the Horizons era.

The GMP would be grateful for updated screenshots of these particular locations to see if the actual feature still holds some interest, or even exists anymore. If any Odyssey client explorers heading out into the black in the next few months plan to pass nearby such locations, please take a look and post any updated astrophotography pics of such locations to this thread.

We may have to archive all of the ones that have radically changed.

List of POIs that need checking during Odyssey

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.

www.edsm.net

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