I bought a x52 like 3years ago for 110$.never have any issues whit it apart from its has a bug whit TS but if u not playing in team I recommend that one.i don't know how can u kill it in 2-3 months.prob u tear the stick off it is really soft and precise.HOTAS X also a good one but I'd still go for an x52.x52 pro is the same just more durable.the choice is yours.
The Joystick/Controller discussion thread
WHAT? Warthog don't have twist for yaw?
Please ignore my previous post
The Warthog is not a general purpose high end joystick. It's an exact replica of the controls in the A10. So it has excellent ergonomics and functionality. What it doesn't have however is twisting. It's nothing you would ever find on a real stick and while it's convenient to have it it's not ergonomic and also reduces precision. So to get YAW running you also need pedals. Overall that's a pretty expensive setup.
Unless you have most of that already or plan to buy it for other stuff as well I'd stick with a cheap X model. My first impression was:
My god is this thing cheap. It feels cheap and it even squeaks from time to time. The throttle could also be less juddery. Other than that it's absolutely sufficient with ED if you customize the layout to compensate for lack of input. But that's not much of a deal breaker as you have one button right under your index finger on the throttle which you can use for mode switching effectively doubling your input controls. And it is fairly cheap. The one thing that would bug me though is the cable length between the stick and the throttle. They should have either gone for a 2 port solution or a longer cable. The cable is about exactly as long as a keyboard is wide. So you have the stick right, throttle left and there's maybe half of a cm space on each side if you run the cable below the keyboard. I think that's by design and it's probably good enough for most. I however have a keyboard with macro keys on the left that I use for some games. And the throttle is somewhat in the way.
You need to break a couple of those to compensate for one Warthog. Now that will happen at some distant time in the future and the Warthog more likely than not will still be in pristine conditions. But do you know what's years ahead? Maybe you can snag the Warthog for half the price because there's a better model. Or the Warthog is completely useless for the game you want to play then as it lacks the required controls.
I'm not a big fan of the stuff in between. That cheap X has better ergonomics than many much more expensive systems. I particularly dislike the Mad Catz/Saitek stuff. They do offer better overall quality (most of the time!) and they have much more controls. Those controls however where partially placed by a moron or someone with freak hands.
Thrustmaster HOTAS X here too. Got it a few days after Beta started. Still going strong.
JEEZ I've had my x52 pro for yrs, pro flight pedals to go with them. I hate the twist sticks. Anyone remember the x45 Saitek? Pull switches on the throttle to take the place of the twist? Loved that set.
Loved that set.
I must have been lucky with the sticks I've bought and it definitely seems that build quality can be very hit and miss in this area. I have a years old extreme pro and also X52 and so far (touch wood) no issues, although I am a little concerned that the flight stick of the X52 seems so loose in comparison to the extreme and I doubt it will take as much yanking around as old faithful. Hope your new HOTAS has been constructed of the good stuff
If you mean the stick is loose due to the spring being worn you can fix it fast with the top center of a round empty plastic CD holder. You cut the top out of the holder making it a little larger (mine sticks out about 1/2" all the way around) than the stick. Drill a hole in the center of the plastic a little bigger than the center post of the stick and cut a slit the same width from the center to the outer edge. What you have now is a plastic washer that you use by compressing the spring downward until you can slide the plastic washer between the spring and the top of the stick. I saw this on u-tube a long time ago and although you have less throw you have a tight stick again. This also helped in the wandering I was getting.
Aww... Does anyone know of a decent joystick that DOES have twist for yaw? (one that does NOT break after a couple of months [looking at you Saitek]).
I like playing Elite sitting down and don't want pedals to yaw as I might have to relearn how to use my feet
Thrustmaster X has z axis.
Thrustmaster T has z axis, but no separate throttle as it's on the base.
Both are sturdy and inexpensive.
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You can loosen the tension on most sticks. On my Thrustmaster T it's a on the bottom.
You go gurl. Except that I could never take my hand off. I'd remove the spring. A lady like touch on the stick.
I've got pretty light touch, even keyboards last ...well, years - I've used the current one from since like forever, and I use it a LOT. Same with mice, 6 years and still going strong.
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You go gurl. Except that I could never take my hand off. I'd remove the spring. A lady like touch on the stick.
Remove the spring ...?
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... sounds good.
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Both the Logitech e3d pro and Thrustmaster T16000m have smaller grips than some of the others, but they are also stiff and after a while will tire your grip. Neither is particularly well made. The Logitech offering has better buttons but lower accuracy and said accuracy deteriorates within the year. The Thrustmaster has excellent accuracy but terrible button placement and quality. The buttons will fall off with use (it does have the advantage of being an ambidextrous stick). You'd still have to get a seperate throttle for that HOTAS feel.I've got pretty light touch, even keyboards last ...well, years - I've used the current one from since like forever, and I use it a LOT. Same with mice, 6 years and still going strong.
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CH Products aren't pretty, but they are well made and last indefinitely. I use the Fighterstick but I imagine someone with small hands may have trouble reaching all the hats and buttons. That said, very little pressure is required to push the stick in any direction and to hold it there. Very accurate and high quality (but notoriously ugly).
I have all of the aforementioned devices so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
I've had a Saitek AV8R for many years and it's still working like a charm. But I must say, I'm pretty sure mine was made before the company was bought out by Mad Catz. ....It's got a throttle, a twist stick and plenty of buttons but only one hat. If you're still considering Saitek OP, take a look at one.
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Well, I don't mind a separate control for thrust and such, it's just that most sticks I've tried at shops... they're rock solid stiff, which I can so imagine to not be at all fine for any sort of extended gameplay. Which kinds of is the reason why I'm still playing with Xbox controller.
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I have to add my voice in here for CH products. I have a warthog, and right now it's collecting dust. It's a little too focused on mimicking the a-10 warthog, whereas the CH setup is an overall better setup for anything. Plus, it's amazing. .
Also - regarding learning to use pedals, it's really easy. Start doing it and you'll soon find it's second nature. It's very easy to pick up.
Having said that, the MSFFB2 (mentioned on this thread) is also awesome, though i'd still pick up a CH throttle and pedals to go with it if you went that route
.Also - regarding learning to use pedals, it's really easy. Start doing it and you'll soon find it's second nature. It's very easy to pick up.
Having said that, the MSFFB2 (mentioned on this thread) is also awesome, though i'd still pick up a CH throttle and pedals to go with it if you went that route
I have to add my voice in here for CH products. I have a warthog, and right now it's collecting dust. It's a little too focused on mimicking the a-10 warthog, whereas the CH setup is an overall better setup for anything. Plus, it's amazing.
Also - regarding learning to use pedals, it's really easy. Start doing it and you'll soon find it's second nature. It's very easy to pick up.
Having said that, the MSFFB2 (mentioned on this thread) is also awesome, though i'd still pick up a CH throttle and pedals to go with it if you went that route
I don't think i've ever seen anyone say they didn't like CH. Had one that felt like it would last forever. Good product, CH.
Yup.. I started with one of these in early beta and thought an X-55 was an upgrade. That lasted about a week until it became troublesome.. then an X-52, which is sitting in pieces on the desk right now. In the meantime I'm fishing through boxes looking for my trusty old HOTAS x!
I think i have same problem with my Xbox 360 gamepad. Game resetting bindings every time when starting, but only if pad i disabled ( not connected ). Tip: add custom name to your binding and always keep emergency copy.
Check this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=194368
Check this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=194368
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You can usually adjust that with a remotely decent stick.