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Col 285 Sector SV-T a5-0 CMDR Fuchsnase 148.95ly from Merope
Col 285 Sector SV-T a5-0 CMDR Fuchsnase 148.95ly from Merope
Thargoid Data Gathering Effort: We need your help!
- Thread starter M. Volgrand
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Ah no sorry, I did a dumb thing and just pasted my list of megaships within 150ly of Merope to Visit.
My bad.
I'm there now so I'll just go and see how they're doing and update this post with the defo attacked ones.
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Megaships attacked Confirmed:
HIP 17692
Pleiades Sector HR-W d1-57
Pleiades Sector OI-T c3-7
Pleiades Sector IH-V c2-5
Capital ship attacks:
HR 1185
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Ii've been off the game those days, of RL issues.
I would like to ask you to please summarize your idea or plan. There were some posts removed an dI feel I'm lacking information.
And everyone keep this civil, as LCU is asking!
Ok, I think I got it: By assuming that the thargoid ships' sensors have a limited range, we could use the reported hyperdictions to estimate from where the Thargoids detected our wake, then hopefully we can triangulate their origin? Am I correct, DoctorDoom?
While is not a bad idea, I still find some problems to actually execute it.
1) In your statements you said that "the Thargoids are NOT in Col 70". There are already some pretty strong evidences that they are there (unknown probe signal being one of them, and different lore sources), so I must say that, very likely, you are wrong on this one.
2) The hyperdictions have happened so randomly and scarcely that it is very difficult to establish a search pattern.
3) Even if we could establish it, it's not just one point in which we may search, but a whole line between two systems. This can be quite a challenge, especially in hyperdictions occured on long jump ranges.
4) The hyperdiction occurences seem to be completely random.
IMHO, with the data available at present, this is not a feasible search criteria. However I'm open to be proven wrong.
While is not a bad idea, I still find some problems to actually execute it.
1) In your statements you said that "the Thargoids are NOT in Col 70". There are already some pretty strong evidences that they are there (unknown probe signal being one of them, and different lore sources), so I must say that, very likely, you are wrong on this one.
2) The hyperdictions have happened so randomly and scarcely that it is very difficult to establish a search pattern.
3) Even if we could establish it, it's not just one point in which we may search, but a whole line between two systems. This can be quite a challenge, especially in hyperdictions occured on long jump ranges.
4) The hyperdiction occurences seem to be completely random.
IMHO, with the data available at present, this is not a feasible search criteria. However I'm open to be proven wrong.
I'm thinking a lot about this mystery, and I feel like we hit a dead end. Let me explain because I am NOT going to propose to close this project 
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We have found a lot of data that seem to indicate the Thargoid Behavior: The expand in a bubble centered in Merope, and the farther away we go the more difficult it become to find one. This limit seems to be approaching to 150LY from Merope, approximately.
In the Thargoid Interaction thread we have all the info about how they react to different situations.
We do know that the Thargoids seem to be searching for something. What it is, we don't know.
The Hyperdiction reports for the moment show no other pattern than the one creating by the commanders coming in and out of the Pleiades.
And... that's mostly it. Right now we started the patrol route that, for a fast summary, will allow us to find out if the Thargoids are moving on or spreading, as well as maybe finding something unusual. That's very good, but finding any more clues of what is going on is going to be blind luck.
Doctor Doom made a very interesting tinfoil assumption: Maybe the Thargoids (Oresians?) are "hiding" in the shadow of Merope 5c, in Witchspace. That couuld explain why everything is centered on that system and why they do not appear inside Merope (trying to hide their hiding spot?). But once again, how can we find any information on this behalf?
All my internal debate, ideas and plans go back to the same project. One I did create almost 2 years ago, that many commanders followed, and that kept us busy for almost two weeks. A project I started after the "Unknown Probe map" was firstly decoded and when the Canonn Institute was trying to figureout its meaning.
Commanders, I think it is time to go back to Merope. I believe that, maybe, there is something hiding in there.
And I believe a new survey of Merope 5c should be made. Because, maybe, there is a hint in there.
.We have found a lot of data that seem to indicate the Thargoid Behavior: The expand in a bubble centered in Merope, and the farther away we go the more difficult it become to find one. This limit seems to be approaching to 150LY from Merope, approximately.
In the Thargoid Interaction thread we have all the info about how they react to different situations.
We do know that the Thargoids seem to be searching for something. What it is, we don't know.
The Hyperdiction reports for the moment show no other pattern than the one creating by the commanders coming in and out of the Pleiades.
And... that's mostly it. Right now we started the patrol route that, for a fast summary, will allow us to find out if the Thargoids are moving on or spreading, as well as maybe finding something unusual. That's very good, but finding any more clues of what is going on is going to be blind luck.
Doctor Doom made a very interesting tinfoil assumption: Maybe the Thargoids (Oresians?) are "hiding" in the shadow of Merope 5c, in Witchspace. That couuld explain why everything is centered on that system and why they do not appear inside Merope (trying to hide their hiding spot?). But once again, how can we find any information on this behalf?
All my internal debate, ideas and plans go back to the same project. One I did create almost 2 years ago, that many commanders followed, and that kept us busy for almost two weeks. A project I started after the "Unknown Probe map" was firstly decoded and when the Canonn Institute was trying to figureout its meaning.
Commanders, I think it is time to go back to Merope. I believe that, maybe, there is something hiding in there.
And I believe a new survey of Merope 5c should be made. Because, maybe, there is a hint in there.
Funny, after Doctor dooms ideas I mentioned a search in Merope, but mine was too vast & vague to be of any use .
So why Merope 5C?
Ah damn! .... I mean congrats cmdr on knocking my record down a spot
Btw, I've just found out that my TS search site buddy has just found FIVE new TS sites! Congrats to Tonio-gmnh (beautiful pic too btw )
Thx Moribus
.So why Merope 5C?
Ah damn! .... I mean congrats cmdr on knocking my record down a spot
Btw, I've just found out that my TS search site buddy has just found FIVE new TS sites! Congrats to Tonio-gmnh
(beautiful pic too btw )Thx Moribus
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Hey I'm there now! and Also WOHOO! let's do this.
I can't remember what thread it was (too many cool threads), but we were talking about Merope 5C being really, really dull, and yet seemingly important...
I've considered making an actual map of it. Use the System Map to rotate it, the size is consistent. Taking screenshots of it in sequence should allow someone to stitch those together and make a flat map - much like Nasa builds up pictures of Mars etc. But then, I figure, what will that allow us to do that we can't already? Maybe add lat/long lines on it, everyone take a section and fine-tooth-comb it. That way you can at least be 100% sure as we can be that every inch has been surveyed.
EDIT: Can't remember who said it (sorry), but Merope 5C is in a really eccentric orbit, looks like a capture object really.
I can't remember what thread it was (too many cool threads), but we were talking about Merope 5C being really, really dull, and yet seemingly important...
I've considered making an actual map of it. Use the System Map to rotate it, the size is consistent. Taking screenshots of it in sequence should allow someone to stitch those together and make a flat map - much like Nasa builds up pictures of Mars etc. But then, I figure, what will that allow us to do that we can't already? Maybe add lat/long lines on it, everyone take a section and fine-tooth-comb it. That way you can at least be 100% sure as we can be that every inch has been surveyed.
EDIT: Can't remember who said it (sorry), but Merope 5C is in a really eccentric orbit, looks like a capture object really.
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Funny, after Doctor dooms ideas I mentioned a search in Merope, but mine was too vast & vague to be of any use
So why Merope 5C?
Thargoid Probe points there:
https://canonn.science/codex/unknown-probe/
Also no NHSS appear in Merope, of all the systems in the shell (I believe that's right?)
EDIt: I did like your idea of something being really far out of the system, it might be that doing something like taking a line from Merope 5 towards Col 70 Sector FY-N c21-3, maybe there's something on that line...?
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Yeah could be , or maybe from Merope 5c to that same Col 70 sector system? Tempted go there now myself! . I'm just under 150 LYs away atm.
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Whilst I've just broken my own record for an NHSS at 148.88 LYs from Merope, Cmdr Fuchsnase still has me beat .
Btw this NHSS too a long time to show! 24 mins after entering SC, their were no other USSs & no bodies to scan besides the 1 star...... I went to the kitchen in my Cobra to make a tea!
, or maybe from Merope 5c to that same Col 70 sector system? Tempted go there now myself! . I'm just under 150 LYs away atm.[update]
Whilst I've just broken my own record for an NHSS at 148.88 LYs from Merope
, Cmdr Fuchsnase still has me beat .Btw this NHSS too a long time to show! 24 mins after entering SC, their were no other USSs & no bodies to scan besides the 1 star...... I went to the kitchen in my Cobra to make a tea!
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Last thing tonight for me. Before we start on this historical mission to decode Merope's secrets, just wanted to check this:
Is this still true? "However the audio image has not been decoded to this day:"
https://canonn.science/codex/unknown-probe/
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And this from the base shares some of the same symbols, while we know what this one means, is this maybe a key to decoding the Probe one? I notice there's a funny little partial circle next to Merope's sun on the image below, and a similar funny little part circle on the sphere in the probe signal, the same little -l- symbol, etc.
I also can't help seeing those "flower ship" icons sitting outside the system maps and thinking of Assimilator's "Hiding outside the system" idea...
Is this still true? "However the audio image has not been decoded to this day:"
https://canonn.science/codex/unknown-probe/
EDIT:
And this from the base shares some of the same symbols, while we know what this one means, is this maybe a key to decoding the Probe one? I notice there's a funny little partial circle next to Merope's sun on the image below, and a similar funny little part circle on the sphere in the probe signal, the same little -l- symbol, etc.
I also can't help seeing those "flower ship" icons sitting outside the system maps and thinking of Assimilator's "Hiding outside the system" idea...
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Hmm, problem, seeing as Col 70 sector is locked off atm, how do we select the system so as to align with it in Merope? I can't see it's possible atm .
I thought that ctr diagram had been decoded & it was showing a system co-ords etc?
.I thought that ctr diagram had been decoded & it was showing a system co-ords etc?
I don't know, the Canonn website says the signal was decoded (it's the planet scan data) but the image has not yet, I'm assuming that's up-to-date?
I hadn't thought about the issue of not being able to select Col70 systems... I guess that knocks that on the head!
I hadn't thought about the issue of not being able to select Col70 systems... I guess that knocks that on the head!
If memory serves me properly tonight: They managed to decript the "code" the probe was sending towards Merope 5C. They found out that it did send data of the closest planet using merope as reference (IE, 25% of Merope 5c mass, 50% of merope 5c size...). Using this they managed to find out that the probe used Merope and another system to actually triangulate the position where it was. With counter-triangulation mathematics (term I just made up) they managed to find out to which system in the Col 70 sector the probe was refering.
Hence, the assumption is that this system is where the Thargoid homeworld is located.
Hmm, interesting. I've also re-read that Canonn page and as you say it says the signal code was decided, but the image itself was never decoded... might that be relevant then? If no-one ever actually cracked what the diagram means, maybe that's the "key" to Merope 5c?
I'm thinking that precisely. There are many common elements between the TP and the TL spectograms, so it may be worth have a look on it. We may find something, who knows!
I said it, and have hypothesised for 18 months that, given the UAs/UPs pointing to Merope/5C & its -75degrees orbital inclination and an old lore report that goids were rumoured to be able to build ships as large as a planet, perhaps Merope 5C is such a base leftover from who knows when, possibly the first goid war but possibly earlier. 5C has been surface searched before, and someone (Cmdr Volgrand?) provided a spreadsheet to record areas searched. I did a bit, but eyeballing a planet while trying to maintain a search grid is confusing and my searching was fruitless (& I’m too easily distracted by interesting canyons etc)
edit: of course 5C might be hollow & the goids jump straigt in/out without needing a surface entrance or other distinguishing features; darn sneaky those goids!
yes, the UP sonogram was decoded (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...8-The-Canonn?p=4270479&viewfull=1#post4270479, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...8-The-Canonn?p=4370128&viewfull=1#post4370128) to understand how the UP signal indicated various target planet parametrical data and in turn led to the trilateration of Col70 FY-N C21-3. The discussion took a large part of Canonn subthreadnaught 8, however there was a little doubt that the diagram had been fully decoded (e.g. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...8-The-Canonn?p=4369460&viewfull=1#post4369460, though I suspect if you looked at the marks from the later diagram it might make full sense). If you search the Canonn subthreads for that system name you’ll find the discussion.
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The Canonn page, updated May this year, says:
"On August 20, 3302, the Thargoid Probe transmission was fully decoded and revealed to contain planetary data such as radius, surface temperature, gravity and atmospheric composition. This transmission was directed at an unknown receiver on Merope 5C. In addition, the transmission included distance data that, when triangulated, was found to have been measured from the star system Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3, which is within a group of permit-locked systems that players cannot currently access. It is believed Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3 may be the origin point of all Thargoid Probes, and contain the home world of their creators.
However the audio image has not been decoded to this day:"
Obviously the website may be incorrect. If it's done then we can ignore it and not worry, if it's not, it might be relevant to Volgrand's new plan.
You think the page is not up to date Jorki? I mean it does make sense since the probe signal is about scanning planets and various planetary data, so just eyeballing the image I can totally see how the two are related now we know the solution to the probe signal. Just want to make sure we're 100% sure there's nothing left in the old clues.
Well. If we are going to search Merope 5c I think I have a way of getting EDMC to help track progress and avoid duplicated effort.
If we do find anything we can use the screenshot event or the landing event to accurately log coordinates.
Im thinking we could split the planet into search zones and each commander gets allocated a zone when they drop out of supercruise. When they have finished their search they can fill in an exit form to declare that they have completed their search.
We can have a progress meter that shows us how many zones have been searched as a percentage.
If we do find anything we can use the screenshot event or the landing event to accurately log coordinates.
Im thinking we could split the planet into search zones and each commander gets allocated a zone when they drop out of supercruise. When they have finished their search they can fill in an exit form to declare that they have completed their search.
We can have a progress meter that shows us how many zones have been searched as a percentage.
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You mean EDMC?
I'm getting confused here, I thought Jorki said the planet had been searched?
And I thought the audio message gave the pictogram that Moribus linked above? In which case isn't it completely decoded?
Just added some edits to my post above...there was some doubt that the UP sonogram was fully decoded because of the “morse/binary”marks around the periphery, however I think if you matched those marks against the later diagram it might clarify the misgivings.
Merope5C has been searched, but we don’t know how thoroughly, and we know what surface searching is like-just because nothing was found doesn’t mean there is nothing to be found! However a thought has occurred-the UP tight beam signal (carrying a probe’s target ammonia world parameters) is directed toward 5C and it was therefore assumed that there must be a hidden receiver there, but there is a very large crater on 5C (its most obvious feature)- what if that is passively receivng the signal and reflecting it to another part of the Merope system? Goids (FD) are sneaky!